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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: KingBrilliant Date: 18 Apr 01 - 06:17 AM Hmmmm. People are generally only a pain in the arse if you view them as such - and that's often not their intention (OK - sometimes it is, but not always). Sometimes when you take a violent dislike/objection to someone (or their stated opinions) it is actually more to do you with you than with them. Clinton - a few times I've read your posts and thought 'arsehole' - but not 'pain in the arse' - there's a subtle distinction. Anyway - I think the world needs abrasive arsehole types - they're alive and they're fun and they add a bit of texture to the world. I prefer people who are a bit or an arsehole rather than people who are 'up their own arses' - and I must say that some of the responses here have tended toward the latter.... I'm not in favour of toning down the Clinton - to thine own self be true, mate. Kris (who likes to think she can be a bit of an arsehole too, on occasion). |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Peg Date: 18 Apr 01 - 09:41 AM I can certainly be an asshole on occasion, but I am happy to say I am not a homophobic asshole.
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: GUEST,kat@her sister's Date: 18 Apr 01 - 09:49 AM Me, too, Peg. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: gnu Date: 18 Apr 01 - 10:14 AM Now, where have I heard that before ? |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Jon Freeman Date: 18 Apr 01 - 10:21 AM Just take a step back: The term Homophobia was defined as "the "dread" of being in close quarters with homosexuals",(Weinberg, 1972). Pharr (1988) defines homophobia as the irrational fear, hatred and intolerance of people who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Even the term has its roots in and is psychobabble and further appears to have been extended to include other groups. My concern in this thread is not whether Clinton fits that label or about his sexual tendencies (latent or otherwise) but the willingness of people, particularly those who have voiced opionions supporting the rights of others to attach such labels. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: UB Ed Date: 18 Apr 01 - 11:53 AM Jon, I'm not following your point regarding your concern...Would you elaborate, please? Ed |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: mousethief Date: 18 Apr 01 - 12:18 PM I don't call that debate, I call it tyranny. Expressing my opinion is tyranny, eh? You must warn us if you are going to use words in a way completely contrary to their dictionary definition. We get confused easily. Try doing some research before you dismiss soemthing as "psychobabble." Looking at one website doesn't count. Now you know exactly how much research I've done? You must have a really good mindreading device. Is it for sale? I see you have failed to comment upon my accurate observation that you are unable to distinguish between defending a person, and critiquing the means used to attack him. Your English classes must be a riot. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Apr 01 - 01:16 PM I very well may be an asshole, but I certainly am not a homophobe... Yer just ticked off casue I use words you don't like... Tough "Life sucks, get a fucking helmet", to quote Doctor Dennis Leary... |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Apr 01 - 08:02 PM I know it's probably pedantic, but I get irritated by the use of the word "homophobic" to mean being prejudiced against gay people.
What the word ought to mean, given its etymology, is being prejudiced against people who are like yourself -for example people of the same sex, or race, or sexual inclination, whatever. Which is quite a useful concept to have a word for. As for people who are bigotted against gay people - I'd just call them people who are bigotted against gay people.
Do gay people ever get accused of being latent heterosexuals? |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: CarolC Date: 18 Apr 01 - 09:02 PM Here's an amusing thought. At least I find it amusing. If a person who displays hatred of homosexuals is homophobic and a latent homosexual, is it possible that a person who displays hatred of homophobes is a latent homophobe? Would such a person be a "homophobophobic"? (if anyone flames me for this bit of humor, I shall have him/her for lunch... ) |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: CarolC Date: 18 Apr 01 - 09:08 PM ...and I don't mean that in a sexual way, nor do I mean that I shall have him/her over for lunch. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Lonesome EJ Date: 18 Apr 01 - 10:28 PM I don't know Carol. You might be a latent Mudcatter Masticator. And what's this about "get a fucking helmet" Clinton? Either you've got a really low ceiling or you need to get one of those padded headboards. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: mousethief Date: 19 Apr 01 - 12:37 AM Carol, thank you for the belly laugh! I'm sure I shall sleep better tonight and I have you to thank. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Peg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:20 AM Alex; gee, your last response to me was not QUITE condescending enough; care to try again? You and your "accurate observations" make me laugh actually. I mean, if you're just going to argue both sides (and pat yourself on the back after doing so) why address anyone else in the first place? And I do call that tyranny...and yeah, I know what the word means.
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:04 AM Lonesome... it's a quote... it's not a helmet for fucking... *sigh*... watch Dennis Learys "No Cure for Cancer"... CarolC... "homophobophobic"? Damn good word! Try singing it! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: KingBrilliant Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:37 AM Wouldn't it be aweful to be phobophobic. Then you'd be scared of being scared - which means that you'd be scared - so you'd be scared of that - which would be really scarey. I've frightened myself now Kris |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:42 AM Sums it up nicely Kris Jon (who wishes he had coined that term - copyright it Kris) |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: gnu Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:44 AM CarolC said... if anyone flames me for this bit of humor, I shall have him/her for lunch... I thought you were carniphobic, no ? |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: CarolC Date: 19 Apr 01 - 06:08 AM (Oops! Caught in the act of flagrant hyperbole. I guess I'd better get one of those helmets, too... ) |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Peg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 10:53 AM why would someone "flame" you for trying to be humorous? Hmm, sounds like latent vindictiveness there... (just kidding) |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: GUEST,UB Dan Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:08 AM Actually, that would be outright vindictiveness UB Dan...the latent nice guy |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Peg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:21 AM UB Dan; I do not understand your comment. My thought (naturally intended to inject humor) was that CarolC, worried about being flamed for her "humorous" comment, perhaps had intentions not wholly humorous...than again, I did not think she was being flamed by kat when she accused her of it, so I guess one's definition of flaming is relative depending who is on the receiving end, eh? |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: GUEST,UB Dan Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:29 AM Peg...it's not only important to be able to say something in good humour...it is also important to recognize it in others... |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Peg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:38 AM Dan; I have a very evolved sense of humor actually...and am very tolerant and open-minded. Believe it or not. I think it is all too easy for someone to say whatever the hell they want in cyberspace (in a forum like this for example) and when someone takes offense to it, say, "But I was only kidding! You have no sense of humor! Lighten up!" As if the offender is always and by default the king/queen of subtlety and innuendo and wit, and the offendee is always an unsophisticated and uptight pollyanna. I understand humor fine; it's bigotry that baffles and angers me.
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Metchosin Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:44 AM and since there is nothing to fear but fear itself regarding really lame comments, I guess if you were afraid of frightened wolves you would be suffering from phobolobophobia. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: Metchosin Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:45 AM and fear of resonator guitars would be dobrophobia |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: GUEST,UB Dan Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:57 AM "Actually, that would be outright vindictiveness UB Dan...the latent nice guy"
Where is the bigotry? Where is the serious comment that I then turned around claiming to be a joke. It is a play on the outright vs. latent discussion that was being carried out and which you joined into (i.e. "why would someone "flame" you for trying to be humorous? Hmm, sounds like latent vindictiveness there... ") No offense was meant...it was just subtlety and wit(no innuendo).
"I understand humor fine" -I'm not sure you do
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: gnu Date: 19 Apr 01 - 12:11 PM Peg... slow deep breaths. Life is but a joke, and we are all comics. I try to laugh first and then ask questions. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 12:47 PM Oh, so THIS is where you've all been hanging out! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: UB Ed Date: 19 Apr 01 - 12:58 PM Welcome Susan! Wondered where YOU were. This is a great thread! Hang around long enough and someone may even call you a random asshole! LOLLOLLOL |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: gnu Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:23 PM Kinda like a drive by flaming ? Someone going to do a 2 ? My modem is groaning and my skills are lacking. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: CarolC Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:10 PM *BLUSH* Are you guys fighting over me now? (gorsh... I feel so loved) |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: mousethief Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:24 PM Peg, I mean, if you're just going to argue both sides (and pat yourself on the back after doing so) why address anyone else in the first place? You still don't get it. I'm not arguing both sides, because I'm not arguing FOR Clinton's behavior at all. Sigh. Alex |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: CarolC Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:27 PM And let us not forget that gentle but penetrating humor, carefully placed, can accomplish much that bluster cannot. Remember Samuel Clemens and Will Rogers. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:35 PM Clemens and Rogers, that outstanding tango team of years gone by. UB Ed, you have got to stop expecting US to be Ed-- YOU be Ed, dagnabbit! *G* I'll see if I can come up with a song for this thread. It's my new commitment-- to enter into [whatever we can all agree to call a thread like this] in song, not in rhetoric. All I can hear today is Emmylou Harris and Ricky Skaggs, both so young, so long ago, singing Green Pastures. ~S~
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: gnu Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:45 PM 135 posts... that's what a pain in the arse is. C'mon... someone blueie this to a 2. |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:18 PM Here is one approach. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Pain in tha arse From: UB Ed Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:19 PM This may not be a good idea...
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