BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 25 Jul 25 - 08:03 AM

I could probably think of a few but I value my membership - to this forum, I mean :)

-F

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jul 25 - 12:07 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman - PM
Date: 20 Jul 25 - 03:09 AM

How much of a threat, to Starmer, is the new party led by Corbyn?
I think they are likely to win a number of seats enough to prevent Labour be in government

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Jul 25 - 12:47 PM

I think they are likely to win a number of seats enough to prevent Labour be in government

I suspect that any seats that Labour might lose to Corbyn's new party would be more than outweighed by seats lost by the Conservatives to Reform. If Labour lose the next election, it will have more to do with their lacklustre performance this time round.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jul 25 - 04:44 PM

you would know

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 25 - 05:14 PM

”I suspect that any seats that Labour might lose to Corbyn's new party would be more than outweighed by seats lost by the Conservatives to Reform.”

You have a very good point there, Doug. If the new Party grow into a substantial, credible organisation (and I see no reason why they shouldn’t), the next GE could be very interesting indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jul 25 - 06:34 PM

Bear in mind that the "new party" seems likely to be an alliance of small progressive factions and, as I said earlier, that should be welcomed. However the fact that the media are already lining it up to fail by calling it Corbyn's party is not a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jul 25 - 02:10 AM

The media support establishment politics, not radical politicians

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jul 25 - 02:48 AM

you would know

No, Sandman, I don't know. That is why I said "I suspect ...." and "If Labour lose ....".

I stand by my comment that the Labour government's performance to date, under Starmer, has been lacklustre.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jul 25 - 04:21 AM

Yes, I agree.
Doug Chadwick suspects, excellent

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jul 25 - 02:19 PM

”I suspect that any seats that Labour might lose to Corbyn's new party would be more than outweighed by seats lost by the Conservatives to Reform.”
(Doug Chadwick)

You have a very good point there, Doug. If the new Party grow into a substantial, credible organisation (and I see no reason why they shouldn’t), the next GE could be very interesting indeed!
Backwoodsman

And that's before counting in the seats that Labour could lose to Reform! (or those the Conservatives could lose . . .)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jul 25 - 02:55 AM

link from council estate media about growth of new party corbyn and sultana
https://www.facebook.com/CouncilEstateMedia

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jul 25 - 05:19 AM

Could be interesting if a right wing mob and a left wing mob both become popular. Things have swung to the right becuase both major parties have altered their policies in line with the populism of deform UK. Will the new alliance cause a swing back to the left? Sadly, Fartarse has a start on whoever leads the new lot and the tosspots who own the press are only interested in keeping their fortunes intact so they love the chaos that he causes.

Of course we will not be able to tell until there have been a few local elections and the real test will be the next GE. I cannot see any minority party, however popular, getting enough support to form a government in 4 years time.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Jul 25 - 06:09 AM

Dave: Of course we will not be able to tell until there have been a few local elections and the real test will be the next GE. I cannot see any minority party, however popular, getting enough support to form a government in 4 years time.

Of course, the Welsh Senedd elections next year could provide an earlier test. Labour have led the Senedd since its inception in 1999.
If that ceases to be the case it will be a major upset, and could be a guide to what will happen in UK a few years later.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jul 25 - 07:01 AM

Ooooh - Didn't know that. Thanks Nigel

I'll order some popcorn :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Jul 25 - 11:47 AM

7 May 2026, Same day for Scottish Parliament elections, and some English local elections delayed from 2025 (reasons for the delays are subject to debate)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Aug 25 - 01:33 AM

There are many people who want to see a redistribution of wealth,they are apprantly joining the new party in droves

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 25 - 12:05 PM

I hope that the new movement pulls politics in general back towards the centre. We have been swinging far too much to the right over the last few years and we need pulling back. I don't see a severe swing to the left happening and I do not think it would be good if that did happen. History has proven that extremes do not work. Cooperation and compromise between all parties seems a good idea with responsible capitalism, workers rights and social justice being high on the agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 03 Aug 25 - 03:18 PM

I've said it here before, I don't vote and have no intention of doing. It's been brought about by politicians saying one thing and doing another, bringing about a lack of trust.

If I were to vote, I'd want to know what I was voting FOR.

-F

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Aug 25 - 04:31 PM

Dave,apparently 600 thousand have joined the new party, PRESUMABLY they think the Labour government is too right wing, not too left wing

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Aug 25 - 02:38 AM

They have not joined the party, they have signed up for future updates. It is an impressive number though.

The following article is worth a read

How significant is Corbyn and Sultana’s 600,000 sign ups to their new party?

Who remembers Enough is Enough?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 25 - 10:19 AM

I'm pretty sure that is part of what I said, Dick

I hope that the new movement pulls politics in general back towards the centre. We have been swinging far too much to the right over the last few years and we need pulling back.

And I would repeat that it is not a new party but rather an alliance of other progresive, as opposed to conservative (small c), factions within government. Corbyn has also said that it will be led by the members rather than from the top so I am not sure if 'Corbyn's party' will ever be the correct term. I must say that I like the idea of an alliance against the stodge that mainstream politics has become. I would like to see it work but only time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 25 - 10:22 AM

Fred - Yes, I can see where you are coming from but please don't give up on voting. Use it or lose it as they say :-) If you cannot vote for someone vote against them. There are usualy some candidates at most elections that can rattle the bars of the big boys. If that fails - go and spoil your vote by writing what you have just said across it. Spoiled votes have to be read and counted.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 04 Aug 25 - 10:37 AM

Good point, Dave, and well worth considering :)

-F

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Aug 25 - 03:15 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dpkvkkjjno link to BBC About labour selling off allotments

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 25 - 05:14 AM

Our local council (swings between Tory and Liberal control) has sold off most of our local allotments. In fairness to the council, they were mostly un-let, un-tended, and overgrown, neglected wildernesses. Now, at least they are being used, although not for growing food.

Allotment-keeping, over the past thirty years or so, seems very much to have fallen from favour in this area.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 06 Aug 25 - 06:05 AM

Allotment-wise, it's the same here in Colsterworth.

We had two allotment sites, one at the southern edge and another at the northern. But nature has claimed them back.

I'll say that people lost interest but my dad would've said "They see it as being too much like hard work, lad".

-F

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 25 - 06:53 AM

Allotment ownership and usage still going strong here in Airedale

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 25 - 12:21 PM

Good to hear Dave. I have very fond memories of going with my grandad to his allotment (or ‘up garden’ as he referred to it) and ‘helping’ him. I use the term ‘helping’ very loosely - I doubt he felt he was being helped, but he was very patient with his little grandson! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 06 Aug 25 - 02:17 PM

My childhood allotment memories were altogether different.

I was 6 years old, and dug up veg in an allotment. Taking it to a door, I asked "Buy some vegetables, mister?" "Arr boy, they look good 'uns!"

It soon came to light that the man had bought his own veg for half a crown!

I had to give the money back and was given the slipper by my mum.

The good old days!

-F

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Aug 25 - 03:26 AM

We don't have an equivalent of the ICE thugs. Yet. We don't need them when over 500 people can be arrested at a peaceful demo for simply wearing the wrong t-shirts or waving the wrong banner.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Aug 25 - 04:26 AM

I agree with above post

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Aethelric
Date: 12 Aug 25 - 07:42 AM

DtG and Sandman

The Thought Police will be knocking at your door!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Aug 25 - 10:07 AM

perish the thought

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Aug 25 - 01:56 PM

Protests in the Cotswolds, against J D Vance holidaying in the area, anyone know any more

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Aug 25 - 09:15 AM

> Protests in the Cotswolds, against J D Vance holidaying
> in the area

So *that*'s where the Groom of the Stool got to. We'd attend, but we're fresh out of rotten eggs.

.... No whiff or whisper on the news of said protests, says Herself. Surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Aug 25 - 06:43 PM

I read about him being banned from a pub following protests by staff and customers but it's late and I am not looking it up now.

Google it yourselves!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 02:28 AM

is it possible to discuss, the subject i a polite manner

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 03:54 AM

Is it possible to discuss the subject in a manner that uses the correct English grammar, spellings, capitalisation and punctuation?

:-D

It's morning now and I can look up the pub story. It was reported by some daily rags but Snopes have concluded that it is just rumour. Be nice if it was true anyway :-)

Did 'staff mutiny' force Cotswolds pub to turn away JD Vance?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 06:10 AM

”Is it possible to discuss the subject in a manner that uses the correct English grammar, spellings, capitalisation and punctuation?”

Errrrmm, some of us do, Dave!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 06:45 AM

Is it possible to discuss the subject in a manner that uses the correct English grammar, spelling, capitalization and punctuation? "quote, Gnome.
Gnome,The word "spelling" can be singular or plural, depending on the context. Generally, "spelling" is used as a singular noun referring to the act of forming words correctly.
pot calling the kettle black.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 06:49 AM

Gnomes actual quote,
Is it possible to discuss the subject in a manner that uses the correct English grammar, spellings, capitalization and punctuation?
The word "spelling" can be singular or plural, depending on the context. Generally, "spelling" is used as a singular noun referring to the act of forming words correctly.
spelling not spellings and since we are on a forum used by Americans capitaliZation

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 09:21 AM

A Google search produced the following explanation…

”The plural of "spelling" can be either "spelling" or "spellings", depending on the context. When referring to the general concept or a single instance of spelling, the plural is "spelling." When referring to multiple different types or instances of spelling, "spellings" is the appropriate plural form according to WordHippo and Preply.”

I read Dave’s comment as referring to ‘multiple different types or instances of spelling’, and I therefore see no problem with his use of ‘spellings’.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 12:14 PM

BWM - Did you see the comment that inspired my post?

is it possible to discuss, the subject i a polite manner

If not, you can have one guess who posted it :-D

Dick

One spelling
Multiple spellings

Seemples.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 12:35 PM

I did, Dave - hence my two later comments in response to Sandman’s responses which are, quite simply, wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 12:39 PM

Talking of the original comment, what was it in reference to?

Anything to do with UK politics?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Aug 25 - 12:57 PM

I haven’t a clue what it was about Dave! Maybe it’s on the wrong thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Aethelric
Date: 18 Aug 25 - 12:45 PM

I wonder if Starmer or any of the European leaders will show a bit of backbone when they meet Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Aug 25 - 01:36 PM

Doubtful.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 18 Aug 25 - 02:12 PM

Well I don't see why they should, they've never shown any before lol.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

-F

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Fred
Date: 18 Aug 25 - 02:51 PM

Would not should, damn predictive text!

-F