God wants armed nudists

Subject: B.S. God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 May 04 - 08:54 PM

OK, let me bring this up.

In the New Testement, Jesus tells his followers that they should sell there extra clothes,give the money to the poor, and go without supplies, since he will provide for them.

Just after the last supper, ( See Luke) Jesus turns to the disciples, and says "Who among you have swords?" Two of them pull out swords, and he then says o the others "Go, sell your clothes and buy swords."

I have my sword.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Pogo
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:15 PM

LOL

{OP TMI

what part of Luke?

And to add to more deep religious thoughts...

Revelation 8:1 Proof of no women in Heaven ;O)

Zechariah 5:1 First documented evidence of a food fight

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:21 PM

I think I am now a part of the tribe.

I am unemployed, can't afford clothes, and I've still got my sword from my SCA days somewhere...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:23 PM

Luke 22:35&36


sorry about all the typos, but I NEVER said I could type. Anyway, when I go into Ordained Minister mode, I seem to make a lot more mistakes...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:31 PM

I did that, sold my clothes, bought a sword.

Cops arrested me, took away my sword.

I told them beardedbruce told me that God wanted me to go naked and carry a sword.

Now they're looking for beardedbruce.

They did give me a nice, bright orange, jumpsuit.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:36 PM

Part of that is what St. Francis did, wasn't it?

I'm nude a lot - and I've got a quarterstaff! (Actually it's a buck and a quarter staff).

Thank you! I'm here all week!

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:52 PM

Armed nudists would not last long in Alaska. Ice and snow in winter, mosquitos and black flies in summer. Definitely questionable.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:01 PM

I have never stated that a religion set out for a ancient group of desert dwellers had any application to a modern person in Alaska.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:17 PM

and of course... Matthew 24:23. Seems straightforward to me- why do they keep knocking on my door?


Rapaire: Hardly a good start to your campaign. Does this mean i might not get the management position in Sewage? I was counting on that...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:22 PM

Blackcatter:

Sorry, but we have to go with the literal words- You need to get a sword. If we use a loose interpretation, since the sword was the standard arm of the individual soldier of the time, we would need M-16s or such.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:03 AM

Beardedbruce, people have been using literal understandings of the Bible for a couple of 1,000 years now to do all sorts of very destructive and pointless things. I mention this merely as a caution... :-)

I am going to check out your quote later today and see what context it is in. I suspect it was intended by Jesus as a metaphor, not a literal instruction to his disciples regarding clothing and swords.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:17 AM

please do.


I am just relating the words of Jesus, as given in the New Testament. Feel free to twist them to mean whatever you want- that is a time-honored thing to do.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: S O P
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:23 AM

Alska Mike:

Simply avoid licking your sword.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Mark Clark
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:25 AM

Ha! Now, with Jesus in the garden, didn't Peter whip out a sword and chop off a soldier's ear? What was that about? Clearly these guys were walking around everywhere with swords. Not a group to be messed with, that's for sure.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:31 AM

I suppose that lets the Venus de Milo out then?
JGM

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:34 AM

A vile, pagan image!   :)

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:35 AM

Nice tits!
JGM

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:52 AM

33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Of course, other translations read a little differently...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Hollowfox
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:55 AM

Well, armless nudists have the excuse that they can't pull their trousers on.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:58 AM

... and actually, I have two ( or more ) swords... But how about the rest of you?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:59 AM

Did the disciples wear pants???

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 May 04 - 12:27 PM

Even breath can come in short pants!
JGM

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 12:59 PM

and the other quote...

Matthew 24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

24:25
Behold, I have told you before.

24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. "

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 01:09 PM

Bruce - do you have 2000 year old swords or are you cheating a bit with Damascus steel or something?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 01:16 PM

Nothing in the text about how old the swords have to be. I have a number, but the pair of late 19th cent. repro 14th cent hand and a half "bastard" swords are the ones I would use... a 45 inch blade helps to keep the pointy end far enough away from me.

I am still working on the purse and scrip...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Megan L
Date: 29 May 04 - 01:17 PM

Bruce Iv'e got a tongue that wid clip cloots does that count an I'm no peelin aff even fur the wee man, to cauld and faur ower many midges. :)

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 02:01 PM

Well, each of us has to make our own spiritual choices...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: robomatic
Date: 29 May 04 - 02:05 PM

Leads to re-definition of the saying:

"Don't point that thing at me"

Or maybe plurification...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 02:15 PM

Well I'll keep my staff. Never been Christian (or even Jewish like Jesus) anyway.

It's always struck me odd that people who want to hang on the words of such a book. Give me Heinlein anytime.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 02:22 PM

Everything in excess: Moderation is for monks.



But remember what he says about sonnets......

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 02:40 PM

"Everything in moderation - including moderation."

            - Heinlein

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 02:42 PM

where is that? Mine is from the Notebooks of LL

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 03:04 PM

That's not all his quotes. I've got my sources.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 03:04 PM

Matthew 10:

5: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7: And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8: Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9: Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10: Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

So, they would not have two coats, and should sell the coat to buy swords...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 03:13 PM

Rapaire:Date: 28 May 04 - 10:31 PM

"I did that, sold my clothes, bought a sword.

Cops arrested me, took away my sword.

I told them beardedbruce told me that God wanted me to go naked and carry a sword."

No, I merely said that Jesus wanted you to go naked and carry a sword. Those of us with forsight have swords already.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 03:33 PM

Little Hawk:

"I suspect it was intended by Jesus as a metaphor, not a literal instruction to his disciples"

So, metaphorically, how would you interpret Matt. 10:10:" Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. "

8-{E

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Strick
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:28 PM

In memory of the great, recently deceased Alan King:

You know why armies never fight naked? Where you gonna hang your canteen? Oh, yeah? For how long?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:31 PM

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:32 PM

Well, what about Celts? the original Woad warriors...

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Strick
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:36 PM

The Celts weren't really naked. They wrapped their kilts around their forearms.

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 04:42 PM

...and they needed bagpipes to frighten their enemies?

8-{E

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 06:32 PM

thread is drifting- let us get back to religion.

More of Matthew 10:

34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36: And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37: He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Family values.... ( and the sword)

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 06:36 PM

Anything that tells you what to do with said sword Bruce?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 06:41 PM

still looking... Have you found anything?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: DonD
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:30 PM

The King Kong of Peace?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:42 PM

The last entry does not make sense to me: Care to explain what you mean?

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 May 04 - 10:52 PM

beardedbruce,

I'm currently on Levapro - could you tell me what you are on? I think I want some... :-)

Robin

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:04 PM

coreg, zocor, prinivil, spironolacetone, aspirin, and a wide variety of herbs and vitimins....

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Amos
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:58 AM

Ahhh!! Comes the light.


A

Subject: RE: God wants armed nudests
From: Megan L
Date: 30 May 04 - 01:53 PM

Your sword should also be two edged and sharp


Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-­edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.