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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 13 Nov 12 - 04:01 PM Would you believe it - there are 2 Hamilton 4992B black dial military pocket watches for auction over here - one on eBay and one at an online auction house... which to go for... or both... OMG - decisions! decisions! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 13 Nov 12 - 04:22 PM I saw it I was going to bid but you go after it my brother .. now here is something ... the guy said he would sell it to me if it didn't go over 200 so you may want to hold off. If the one with the broken balance staff (I can fix it got lots of em) doesn't get his amt, he will sell it to me .. which means its yours. I got one in parts that just needs assembled .. gonna try that myself ... however I have a master looking over my shoulder when I do this winter. So you may want to watch that one |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 14 Nov 12 - 06:56 AM Just picked up a cheap Ball-Waltham at an auction - swing-out case - from around 1920. A few hairlines and it needs a good clean, but a nice looker... Ball-Waltham face Ball-Waltham movement Looking forward to the Vanguard in mid-December, by the way - haven't forgotten you, Dan... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:00 AM Just noticed - there's a small knurled wheel underneath the winding crown. Any info on this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:39 AM winding wheel, easy fix Will holy cow the ball's of any flavor are hard to find what a great watch is it size 16 or 18? I have a heavy duty RR case silveroid for it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:48 AM Just looked I don't have any Ball parts, however ask your watchmaker if the winding gear is a Waltham like off a riverside or Ps Bartlett. I will aslo ask Mahlon when I see him. If so we got one ... Now it took a good smack. I bet the balance staff is whipped .. should be no issue |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:50 AM Hey Q do you think the clutch is bad on the Ball also? Q would know a lot more than me, he fixed his own watches |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:50 AM Just about 45mm across the dial diameter - sounds like an 18 to me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:58 AM its an 18, find out if the gears from a 18 Waltham PS Bartlett will fix. I have an absolutely beautiful movement I can give you if they work. here is my latest, it is all there and I have a flawless dial for it. Now to put it together. all original 936 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:06 AM Will send it to Mahlon, he will make it purr for you. I can tell him its from you ... my guess around 80-100 bucks tops as I can find the parts for you free if the Ps bartlett works. I can give him a case to case it for you, then I can send it back to you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:23 AM Well, it's winding OK - just a little sticky on the running. I'll get my watchman to give it a clean and checkover. If he has trouble with it, then I'll gladly send it to Mahlon via you. The case rear has some engraving on it - a little faint now but still nice - and I don't have any other watches with swing-out cases. So I'll have a ponder on a Silveroid... And thanks again for all your advice and help. Greatly appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:34 AM That 936 looks to have some great potential, Dan - are you putting it together yourself? Brave man! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:41 AM I think this one Will .. my 936 is for Mahlon to do. They made several variations of the 936. I been trying to get all of them. This variation has the 936 listed on the movement so it is very interesting to me. I get it like new again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Nov 12 - 02:59 PM Please don't credit me with watch repair knowledge. I was a complete failure at diagnosis and repair, so I give watches that need TLC to watchmakers. 936- Haven't looked it up, but watches from that company that have the number on the movement are priced higher than those that are without the number. In many cases, the movement has something extra that is lacking on the others. Tha Ball movement looks good. A clean may be all that is needed. I don't have a 19j movement. Silveroid swingout cases were recommended by some railroads because they were sturdy. The NAWCC site has something on that, I remember reading it some time ago. I have a couple of old RR watches in that casing, one of them with the Canadian Pacific shield and beaver on the movement. I have passed that one on to my older son. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 16 Nov 12 - 06:45 PM Dan - just noticed that the Waltham Military watch is lacking a balance whip and screw: Movement Think Mahlon might be able to supply one? It's running fine, but I'd like to get that sorted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 16 Nov 12 - 07:15 PM I don't think so Will notice the regulator screw next to the regulator, I think that is all it had on that model but I will check for you ... I think its complete |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 16 Nov 12 - 07:16 PM sorry Will you are right ... I have a look at my parts probably do have one let you know Dan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 17 Nov 12 - 04:24 AM Many thanks Dan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 17 Nov 12 - 02:19 PM Will the problem being a Hamilton collector, well I got lots of Hamilton parts but what I thought was Waltham I gave to Mahlon, he is a bit under the weather and I will ask him ... in the meantime check out http://www.dashto.org that guy has about everything ya need and cheap Dan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:22 AM And still they roll in... Bagged a UK Military watch with an Elgin movement which arrived today. The weird thing is, I can trace its history back to 2011. A guy named Ernie B from Albuquerque sold it to a guy named James from Battlefield, Mo - who sold it to a guy named Stuart in Scotland - who sold it to me! And here's the watch: 1942 British Military pocket watch with Elgin 954 Grade, Model 7 movement Superb condition and runs like a dream. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Nov 12 - 03:13 PM That is absolutely superb ... wow love it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:26 AM Hey Guys any of you have a spare size 18 case laying around that I can buy from ya. I need one for my 936 Q, Greg ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 21 Nov 12 - 03:47 AM Got a 16, Dan - but no 18 - sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Greg F. Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:46 AM Sorry, Dan, no, but you'd be welcome to it if I had. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Nov 12 - 02:57 PM Thanks guy I will get one off ebay ... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Nov 12 - 03:20 PM My post got lost, just said no extra 18 cases. I will have a 16 for 992B, that I am replacing. It has a name on the back, but otherwise a sound case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:04 PM Q wanna sell the case? I have a 992B movement and I will have a glass back made so the back doesn't matter. Dan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Nov 12 - 07:36 PM You know me, Dan, my prices are too high for you. I'll let you know when I get the new cases. The seller had a death in the family so he didn't get them in the mail until last week. I'll give it to you for "future considerations." Never know when I might need something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,Guest, Zen minus cookie Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:28 PM Apart from the 1790's chased gold and silver pocket watch I mentioned near the start of this thread, I was marvelling again today at the mid-1930s Omega stainless steel art deco model that is my everyday pocket watch and how it just keeps going on and on without losing even a few seconds per day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:46 PM Zen Omega's were top notch watches in the day ...superb timepieces. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:19 PM Omega is still excellent. I had one of the chronometers that was taken to the moon, but I sold it. For the past week I have been wearing an Omega Seamaster, which I picked up with another watch in the 1960s. Keeping time, but I should get it cleaned and resealed. Dunno its serial number or grade, I haven't seen its insides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:38 PM History of Omega Seamaster http://www.omegamuseum.com/seamaster The first models, 1948, were simple watches, self-winding but no frills. See illustration at Omega site . The Model 300 was the first of the "professional" range of models. The wikipedia article is inaccurate. The Seamaster is modeled after watches produced for the British military in WW2. I would like to find one of these. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 23 Nov 12 - 07:51 AM Dan - my Hamilton 978 is sticky - turns out the balance staff fitting is a little loose. My watchmender buddy is reluctant to mess with Hamiltons - can I send it to Mahlon via you for some TLC? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 23 Nov 12 - 12:20 PM sure can Will, the balance staffs are tricky .. I mess with them but only on cheap watches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 23 Nov 12 - 01:42 PM Thanks so much Dan - I pick it up from Derek next Wednesday - I'll get it in the post to you on Thursday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 26 Nov 12 - 12:44 PM Several months ago I gave my Amish watchmaker some parts. In those parts was a totally whipped Hamilton 940. This is what he gave me back as a gift for my grandson. I don't even want to think of the hours he must have put into this watch. The back has an engraved steam train. all original. The movement I gave him was completely trashed out, corroded, broken staff a mess. this is what he did as a gift for me I am touched deeply front back inside |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 26 Nov 12 - 12:59 PM Lovely stuff, Dan - what an artist! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Greg F. Date: 26 Nov 12 - 02:59 PM Unreal, Dan - amazing. That guy is a treasure!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Desert Dancer Date: 30 Nov 12 - 02:04 AM The sound people for Spielberg's movie "Lincoln" tracked down some old watches: In fact, Burtt spent hours at the White House recording sounds from three clocks and several mahogany doors that have survived since the Lincoln administration. As a result, every door slam or key turn heard in the movie comes not from the set, but directly from the source itself. Watch this: creating the sounds of 'Lincoln' from a silent era (article, with video) ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 30 Nov 12 - 04:54 AM Wasn't there a note discovered in the back of one of the presidential watches when someone opened it to clean it? Or is that some weird figment of my imagination? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Greg F. Date: 30 Nov 12 - 09:22 AM Lincoln Watch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: gnu Date: 30 Nov 12 - 10:22 AM It's beeeEEEEEUUUtiful! I am gonna wear it with pride and remember what a great guy you are every time I show it off. Thanks, Dan. Thank you. g PS... I don't even know if I will wind it until I wear it to a formal occasion. It's just as pretty not wound! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,olddude Date: 30 Nov 12 - 11:47 AM wind it up and carry it gnu, you are most welcome my brother Greg that is amazing watch, what an interesting history wow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 30 Nov 12 - 12:00 PM Greg this seamaster needs repaired but Mahlon will make it like new again http://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-VINTAGE-SS-SEAMASTER-AUTOMATIC-1010-FOR-REPAIR-NO-RESERVE-/271110974591?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item3f1f792c7f |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Greg F. Date: 30 Nov 12 - 12:19 PM Very tempting, Dan... Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Nov 12 - 01:42 PM My old Seamaster is a 1010 or 1020. Haven't had the back off. Some of these older models had a plain back with "Seamaster" and "Waterproof"; not the fancy horse. I would like to get a crystal, mine has a replacement acrylic with a few scratches. Replacement band, but I prefer leather anyway. These old ones are 17j. If you can get one cheap, grab it and get olddude to send it to his master watchmaker. Serviced ones sell for $600 and up. I would guess mine (bought years ago at house auction) hasn't been serviced for 30 years; I have been wearing it for two weeks, and it is running well, gained 1 minute in that time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 30 Nov 12 - 02:19 PM My latest acquisition - bought from a pawnbroker's on eBay... A nice Elgin 571 "B.W. Raymond": Elgin 571 dated 1953 - face Elgin 571 dated 1953 - movement I don't think it's been treated very well - you can see the scratches around the balance cock and in other places, and the crown is loose in the stem - but it's keeping dead accurate time, and it was reasonably cheap! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Greg F. Date: 30 Nov 12 - 02:32 PM Thanks, Q - looking more tempting all the time!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 30 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM Thats a beauty will ... now one thing with the 571. they never put a stop on the stem. If ya pull up on the stem by accident, you break the entire movement so just watch that. They are great watches and will keep dead nuts RR time. Your is very good looking |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Will Fly Date: 30 Nov 12 - 05:24 PM Just been checking on the 571 casing. The case is Style Number 3055 and is called the Streamliner - correct for the movement - but the winder on it is wrong. It should be straight sided and slightly arched to follow the shape of the two side pieces that hold the pendant bow. I'll keep a lookout for one. |
