Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s

Subject: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: robomatic
Date: 24 May 08 - 02:49 PM

I'm placing this in the music portion of the tech thread because this is where I've seen articles on copywriting and mp3s and legality/ morality, etc. etc.

I ran into this article while driving across Vancouver Island and enjoying the local press. It's by Vito Pilieci of the Canwest News Service. It appears to me to be a sign of a continuing pendulum swing toward pervasive corporate control of intellectual property rights, to the extent, if the article can be believed, of expropriation of recorders at border checks.

I'd like to get some feedback as to the accuracy of this article, is it news, or is it inflated fear-mongering?

Feds pushing for tougher copyright laws

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 24 May 08 - 03:37 PM

I will call SOCAN on Monday and get back with info, Robomatic.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 24 May 08 - 08:12 PM

The bastards running the Canadian government these days are not to be trusted. There is international pressure to tighten copyright laws to protect corporate interests and Harper is a corporate lapdog. That being said he has a minority government and if he tries to impose laws without parliament's authourization he can be sent packing, if the opposition has any balls. (not likely)
There has been a lot of discussion here on copyright laws in the past and it is this type of thing that shows why I oppose tightening them.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 May 08 - 08:56 PM

This is one of those multinational efforts at control.
The European Union, the United States and Canada are involved.
Called the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), as the article states, the purpose is to form a coalition against copyright infringement.
Nothing wrong with that, but the article suggests draconian actions could be taken against individuals; a 'regulator,' could request border guards and entry point customs inspectors, who would have no idea of a person's criminal intent except in the most obvious cases (such as writing on a cd or program, etc. saying "this is an illegal copy, confiscate it, and call the RCMP").

Now if the EU enacted the agreement, one could not carry verboten material into the EU, similarly, if the U. S. or Canada or both
enacted the agreement, one could lose their laptop or whatever by crossing the border in either direction.

I will also be interested in hearing the SOCAN response.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 24 May 08 - 10:05 PM

Q says "This is one of those multinational efforts at control."
I agree with the truth in tis statement but question is "what or who is the driving force?" These things don't just jump out of a dark hole. Someone or something is pulling the puppet strings!

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 25 May 08 - 01:03 AM

I will call them on Monday and post the gist Monday night.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 26 May 08 - 11:53 AM

Haven't forgot.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: robomatic
Date: 28 May 08 - 11:48 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 08 - 02:06 PM

Days late and a dollar short.

SOCAN has as yet issued no formal statement regarding this issue. Sorry, y'all. Whole lotta wait for no answer.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 08 - 02:35 PM

However, while I think of it, y'all might wish to check out the history on

Tariff 22

A google will bring up the info.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 05:48 PM

I heard a CBC radio report yesterday morning(Saturday 31 May) pretty much saying the same thing as in the newspaper article to which I linked. This is apparently an international trade agreement that may go forward without governmental oversight, but as to where it derives its legal authority, or, for that matter, how it can be enforced is a source of great curiousity to me.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 06:13 PM

We are crazy about laws that can't be enforced.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 02:00 PM

Marijuana laws: Police spend a year building a case. Judge gives the dealer three months. The dealer serves two then is out. Police officers' time probably in the neighbourhood of $50,000. So for two months in jail, at a cost of about $8,000, trial costs at about $5000, and police time at $50,000, we have enforced a law. Yippee. Real cost of the jail time to taxpayers: $31,500 per month. Nice pay if ya can get it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 06:09 PM

We Aussies call the US FTA the 'F*** The Aussies' agreement...

We agree to let US Law overide Aussie Law...

Subject: RE: Tech: Article on Canadian Government and mp3s
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:58 PM

It looks like this piece of shit will die on the order paper. Sometimes minority government works but if our ARSEHOLE IN OTTAWA had a majority..................

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/04/tech-copyright.html