BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???

Subject: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

Well, well, well...

Much as I hate to see her go, go she must... But when, that is the question...

Okay, I figure that it will occur on a Saturday or Sunday when it won't screw up and weekday news cycle so...

Saturday, October 11th is my choice...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 08:16 PM

Bobe:

You honestly think they'll boot he rout the side door?

"Spend time with my family" kinda deal?

It would be an unrecoverable black eye for McCain.

I give it a fifty-fity chance at best.

Actually she's become a bit of a clown figure which maybe is for the better.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 08:46 PM

Well, Amos... I don't think they will give her the boot... I think she will quit...'Er at least that will be the story...

I think the debate expose her in a way that there will be no other choice...

Oh, sure... The Repubs will defend her and say that mean ol' Joe Biden roughed her up but, hey, with a 73 year old man with cancer as a possible president the voters aren't gonna think that Ms Sarah is ready to run this country...

So, I'm stickin' with the 11th...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 09:12 PM

Palin may be blown away in the Biden debate but I wouldn't count on it. She could lose on debating points but still win on points that have to do with identifying with the masses of marginal voters who are clueless with regard to important economic and international issues.

I would set the date at November 4th.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 09:24 PM

After she's elected, there will be no reason to boot her.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:52 PM

When you wish upon a star......

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:57 PM

Charlie's got the best date. But in case it is a close race, I'll take the very early moring of Nov. 5.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 11:06 PM

I think earlier, Bobert. Oct. 3, 4 tops. They need the weekend to get Romney or someone of his ilk into place for the Sunday news shows and then hit the ground running on Monday. It's like they'll start over with a month for a whole campaign.

Palin is such a weak candidate--I think if one single event did her in, it was the Tina Fey knock-off on SNL.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 11:54 PM

Not likely that she'll be booted until she and McCain lose the election. Among many other reasons, which I've gone into more than once, another problem is that there may be more voters than we think who are like our own poster of 9:24 PM--totally clueless about issues, stuffed full of assorted prejudices, and oblivious to the harm the McCain/ Palin ticket would cause the US. Of course most of them probably don't have quite the degree of hypocrisy of our friend of 9:24, who claims to be strongly against organized religion, yet supports the ticket of the man who states the US was created a Christian nation, and his dear Sarah, who looks forward to the "end times".

And if our friend of 9:24 does not support the McCain/Palin ticket, let's have a clear statement saying this.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 12:16 AM

There may also be a large contingent unnown to the pollsters because they live on cellphones, and are 20-something, and will turn out like a horde of locusts to keep McCain out of the White House.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 12:29 AM

Sounds to me like many people here (Rig included) are predicting pretty much what they would like to see happen. Nothing unusual there!!! Ha! ;-) Are you all really so sure that your own personal wishes will become reality if you repeat them often enough or are you just whistling as you walk by the graveyard?

That's what politicians always do too, when asked by the press to predict the future...they predict exactly what they would most like to see happen............except, of course, when they are merely scaremongering about various supposed dire threats in order to scare people into voting for them. They radiate certainty. Is it just an act or are they lost in the radiating glory of their own omnipotence?

You know, something won't happen just because you SAY it will. None of you are God yet. At least, I don't think so.... ;-D

If you are, then we're all in deep trouble, regardless of what happens with Sarah Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest- John
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:01 AM

You want my opinion? Probably not, but...

I think you guys are just building an audience for a hotshot political hired-gun from Alaska. She hurt Obama some in her last televised speech (after you guys and the press said she wasn't ready and got 38 million people to listen to her take digs at Obama).

I don't know if she is likely to do that in a debate with Biden, but I wouldn't go around building her audience for her (and lowering expectations so she ends up looking good after a mediocre performance).

She's too good to trifle with.

Take her seriously, run on the issues and watch out for overconfidance in a campaign that is still pretty hotly contested.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:26 AM

Oh yes, take her very seriously.....

I heard all this stuff about Margaret Thatcher. She was just going to be a stop gap, until the tories got Heath recalled in to sort things out. Hesseltine was the true spirit of the party. Portillo was 'the prince across the water'.

Needless to say, she saw them all off.

She reminds me of Thatcher. Mad enough to actually do what every right-wing think tank can hardly bring themselves to articulate.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 12:54 PM

Reading this discussion led me to this video on YouTube where James Carville debates Rep. Michelle Bachman (R-Minn).

I'm not sure whether the video or the discussion on that site is funnier.

(Now, I saw Bachman on C-Span last night commenting on the bailout, and she seemed quite well-spoken and cojerent, so I looked her up. What a difference when the subject changes!)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM

I hope she stays in, because she is so much more polarizing than even Joe Biden, for me her presence gives me a real good barometer for seeing what others around me think. Then I hope she and McAngermanagementissues lose. Bigtime.

Geeze, is she the stalking horse for his temper? Does he think he'll seem calm, mild, statesmanlike while she plays Bad Girl?

But yeah, a bailout would help McYouknowwho lose, too, so....

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:20 PM

The GOP insiders are pretty obviously becoming ever more embarassed by and disenchanted with their new glamour girl, but having her step aside might well be even more embarrassing, and devastating to their chances.

For a while earlier this year, I was seriously afraid that Obama might get killed by some nutcase ~ so afraid that I wouldn't say anything out loud about it.

For whatever reason, my fears on that score have been put to rest. Now I'm afraid that Palin might be a more likely candidate for assassination, or some kind of unexplained sudden death. The sympathy factor would give the new McCain/Whoever ticket a substantial "bounce," and, if timed correctly very shortly before the election, could be decisive.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:31 PM

Sept 3 I predicted her bailout:
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Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:35 PM

They are screwed either way. I think McCain is stubborn enough, he'll keep her, regardless. Remember? He likes 'em younger and prettier. If he lets them get rid of her, the evangelical Christian base will be lost and the women who care about her will be angry, too. If he keeps her, he is just totally gonzo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:36 PM

Don't sell her short. She may become a "folk hero". Just like Eric Rudolph.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 03:59 PM

Don't cry for me, all you voters!
Remember, I never joined you!
I was a promise,
I'm just a promise
I don't deliver.

Don't cry for me, all you voters!
Remember, I'm here for glamor!
Not understanding,
Just for glad-handing.
I don't deliver.

....



A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:05 PM

Sarah will quit the race for VP the instant she's elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:08 PM

Oh, I DO love tautologies!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:32 PM

The water will feel wet when it hits your face.

Rig will be right as soon as he's not wrong.

I will stop posting to Mudcat when my fingers no longer hit the keyboard.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 04:34 PM

Some helpful footnotes:
Eric Rudolph - serial killer who (The short version)justified his murder spree as punishment for legalizing abortion.

Tautology - a statement of a proposition which covers all values "A or not -A"; a redundancy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 06:20 PM

I was tempted to say something about how surprised I was that Bobert thinks that Sarah Palin can come up with a bailout, when Congress can't...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Pseudolus
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 07:35 PM

I think she continues to do exactly what she was brought on the ticket to do. The focus continues to be on her. She says something about how her < two years as Governor trumps Obama being a community organizer and the die hard Hillary supporters will flock to support. She'll make a comment about how she stopped the bridge to nowhere or how she's a global expert because somewhere in Alaska someone with incredibly good eyesight can see Russia and a bunch of undecideds will believe her and add to their numbers. In my opinion this was never about picking someone who could do the job of vice-president, it was picking someone to do the job of running-mate.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 07:42 PM

lol, Joe...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 09:23 PM

A good observation, Frank.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 09:27 PM

And, of course, the Hillary voters are the voters McCain needs.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 09:28 PM

Governor of Alaska is tantamount to being county commissioner in a largish county in Texas. Or many other populous states. Probably without the diversity of issues to deal with.

It's easy to see when it is reduced to numbers.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:58 PM

Frank, she's gone so far beyond those points, in stupidity, I don't think the majority of voters will be hoodwinked by her at all. Her own party majors are calling for her ouster. She may get a narrow margin of the far right who feels sorry for her and/or identifies with her, but nowhere near a majority of any one segment.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 11:47 PM

"...the moment she's elected". As I thought, no clear statement opposing McCain, who has declared the US was founded as a Christian nation, and his trusty sidekick Sarah, who looks forward to the "end times"--and may get a chance to move the timetable up.

Classic hypocrisy on the part of that poster, who claims to be against organized religion.

Well, we know now how seriously to take anything he says on that topic from now on.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 02:24 AM

That duck won't quack, Ron. ;-)

You know as well as I do that Rig is not just against organized religion...he's obsessively against it. He is pathologically against it. He's loony on the subject.

He was a Hillary Clinton backer, okay? He can't stand Obama, because he wanted Hillary to win. He thinks that the Democrats have screwed up so badly by picking Obama that he would probably be against Obama now no matter who else was in the race...and that has nothing to do with his hatred of religion nor does his favoring McCain have anything to do with him being hypocritical about hating religion.

Obama is officially religious. So are McCain and Palin. Hell, EVERY candidate who gets to run for president or VP in the USA is officially religious...they wouldn't dare NOT to be. And Rig is therefore against the religiosity of ALL of them...but other than that, he still has to decide whether or not to vote for Obama on a wider basis than merely the religion question (Obama also being openly religious).

Your endless attempts to embarass Rig by bringing up what you misinterpret as a conflict of interest on his part re religion are as futile as pissing on a forest fire, and about as silly.

Really, can't you come up with something else more substantial to argue with him about? Something that is actually relevant? Rig doesn't even bother acknowledging these silly personal attacks you make on him about his religious views pro or con, so they clearly aren't working...if he was bothered, he'd respond.

I've got an idea...why don't you just go "Nyahh! Nyahh! Nyahh!" repleatedly and stick your tongue way out at him, put your thumbs in your ears, and wiggle your fingers every time he attacks Obama. Maybe that will shut him up. And maybe not.

Let me explain it simply: IF Rig's ONLY interest in a candidate was that candidate's degree of Christian thinking...THEN he might be opposed to McCain and Palin.

Evidently (and not surprisingly) there are OTHER matters that also concern him about the candidates in addition to whether or not they are religious (which they all bloody well are)...and those OTHER matters are what are causing him not to support Obama.

***

I think he's loopy, by the way....and I think you are too. But in a different way. He's obsessed with hating religion, you're obsessed with engaging in petty little personal putdowns of people you disagree with about politics.

Hillary is, I would say, less overtly religious than Obama or McCain or Palin. But Hillary isn't in the race anymore. If she was, Rig would be supporting her, and you would not be nattering on and on and on about him being a hypocrite about his anti-religious views, would you?

No, you'd have to find some other petty little pointless matter to natter on and on and on about....

"Well, we know now how seriously to take anything you say on that topic from now on." (if I may quote you from above...)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Peace
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:43 AM

I think that Sarah Palin has received more publicity on Mudcat than anyone in the history of the site.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Peace
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:46 AM

In short, who gives a fuck about Sarah Palin? She's NOT going to be elected. Nor is her running mate, John McCain. Capiche? LET IT GO!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 07:21 AM

You can teach her about the Sipreme Court but you can't fix stupid.
However stupid voters feel glad t have one of their own on the ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 07:44 AM

After she's elected, there will be no reason to boot her.

Actually, in the event she does get elected, there will be about six billion very good reasons to boot her. If that old man croaks and she gets to play at being President it will be to the detriment of every person on the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 08:30 AM

"I think that Sarah Palin has received more publicity on Mudcat than anyone in the history of the site."


                   And maybe that's the attraction of Sarah Palin. The mainstream press has ridiculed her to the point that about all she has to do to win the debate with Biden is to show up.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 08:31 AM

Some observations on the news last night:
Palin has been presented by her keepers as "being picked on" (pregnant daughter, Troopergate, Russian gaff) to such an extent that any criticism or attack made by Biden will be perceived as petty and mean rather than as a valid attempt to show an alternative view.

The funny part of it is, no one other than the tabloid press and her own party are guilty of bringing this stuff up. The comment was made that this is "a brilliant strategy".

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 08:32 AM

"He's [Rig] loony on the subject..."


             I beg your pardon:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

Sarah is smart enough to play at rope-a-dope, but it is more liekly to be genuine dope on the ropes; Biden needs to be an astringent, reserved, gentleman about it, quick and articulate and knoweldgeable and perhaps avuncular.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Alice
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 10:22 AM

Biden should speak to the viewers, forget she is in the room.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 10:27 AM

She is being tutored how to debate outside under the trees by a creek at one of McCain's homes with two little lecterns.
Mostly she will throw some attack zingers at Biden to the point that Biden will look silly just ignoring them or refuting them. Believe it or not, this works for the person who virtually becomes a parody of themselves by relentlessly spewing outright lies and calls the other debater names. The defensive stance against this is percieved as a no win situation when ignored or refuted, at least to a shallow and ill informed audience

Sarah can deflect real questions well and give an unrelated stock asnwer in return.

Gwen Ivall is the moderator and has just suffered a [ainful broken ankle today.
If Gwen is medicated there will be some interesting moments for sure.
Gwen is understated, intelligent and demure most of the time so it is hard to imagine this moderator being insistent upon anything, which will give both people all the rope they need to Biden their time and dig a hole with a Palin shovel.

Hey I made a funny....

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 10:34 AM

"Biden needs to be... avuncular."


                Are we sure Biden knows how to be that?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 10:39 AM

I guess you dont know joe

He'll just keep Biden his time while sarah digs a hole with a Palin shovel

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: curmudgeon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 11:19 AM

Take a look at this   opinion piece by a very conservative columnist.

BTW, the readers comments are not a true reflection of New Hampshire, but rather are the rants of the reactionaries who are regular readers of this right wing rag - Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 11:20 AM

The entire process by which VP candidates are chosen is deeply flawed. Basically, we get to elect our President, but have our Vice President foisted upon us by party bigshots.

I personally believe the candidate for Vice President should be chosen from among those who've at least expressed an interest in the job by participating in the primary/caucus process. Pulling a rabbit out of the hat at the nominating convention is NOT the way to do it. Just like when a real magician pulls a real rabbit from a hat, most people will eventually realize they've been had. Unfortunately, that realization may not come until after they've elected the rabbit.

If Sarah Palin had actively sought her party's nomination, how many delegates do you think she would have won? I think pretty close to none. Most of the people who are so gah-gah over her now would never have considered voting for her in a primary contest when faced with a slate of several much more qualified candidates.

Of course, there's always the possiblity that if McCain/Palin wins, she'll be axed after she's performed her function. Those same corruption charges the Republicans are so vigorously sweeping under the carpet right now could well be swept back out and used to get rid of her later.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 03:55 PM

i win?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 04:03 PM

She makes Hillary look so warm and fuzzy.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 04:18 PM

The VP debate is over. Now we can start talking about the Joe Biden Bailout Date Contest.