Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 01:52 PM

Life is just a bowl of cheeries was popular in the 1930's.
Life is just a bowl of coronaries today.

The market has not crashed like in 1929, but it could go lower.
It has lost over 3 trillion dollars, but Trump sez we have 7 trillion rolling in. I recall that Hitler believed he had army divisions that did not exist, probably out of a denial his ego demanded.

Just because some US billionaires caved in to Trump does not mean the world will pay to play Trump's fear and favor game.
I believe he has lost. Its all over except for his firing purge of those he will blame. Meanwhile, what is lost is gone and will never suddenly reappear. If a correction does happen it will take 3 months to stabilize at an overall loss.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 03:07 PM

A South Korean Court removed their President today.
The people were behind the court. Stranger things could happen here.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 04:59 PM

Only in your dreams…

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 05:51 PM

comment from one of our political commentators this morning -

As the internet came alive with memes of outraged Heard Island penguins protesting at being hit with 10 per cent tariffs by the US on Thursday, others online were speculating about just how the Trump administration had come up with its tariffs formula, which not only hit the scenic penguin colony but the US military base on Diego Garcia.

There was some speculation that the White House might have asked ChatGPT for some suggestions the night before.

sandra

personally I go with the Hollow Earth theory - the penguins have established an industrial complex making leather shoes for their friends in Norfolk Island (no penguins there, but lotsa' birds) & electrical goods for themselves! I wonder what they are making for their Diego Garcia friends.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 05:55 PM

comment from one of our political commentators this morning -

As the internet came alive with memes of outraged Heard Island penguins protesting at being hit with 10 per cent tariffs by the US on Thursday, others online were speculating about just how the Trump administration had come up with its tariffs formula, which not only hit the scenic penguin colony but the US military base on Diego Garcia.

There was some speculation that the White House might have asked ChatGPT for some suggestions the night before.

sandra
Hollow Earth theory - the penguins have established an industrial complex making leather shoes for their friends in Norfolk Island (no penguins there, but lotsa' birds) & electrical goods for themselves! I wonder what they are making for their Diego Garcia friends.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 06:15 PM

Tomorrow, Saturday April 5, there are protests large and small
planned all over the United States.
The umbrella title appears to be Hands Off.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 06:45 PM

It's much larger than just the US. At this point there are protests scheduled in many other countries as well. https://handsoff2025.com/

There is one scheduled in London on the
North Terrace in front of the National Gallery (3pm on Sat, 5 April) at Trafalgar Square, London, UK
London WC2N 5DS, DC 20001

Also in Edinburgh, as well as in Netherlands, Belgium, France, and two in Portugal. There's also one on American Samoa, though I don't see any in Australasia.

They're all over the US. I'll be going to one in the town directly south of me. Alas, my city doesn't have one scheduled.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 07:32 PM

I haven't heard of any protests organised in Australia for April 5 but I'm sure there will be protests somewhere, maybe on a different day. We believe in free speech here so it's just another normal activity for us.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 09:46 PM

I previously linked to an author of project 2025 interview and his views on tariffs and government destruction. His name was Ron Vera,
...................................................................
IT TURNs OUT RON VERA IS NOT A REAL PERSON

The name is an anagram of Navarro. Ron Navarro is the Trump minion who has plunged the world into recession with his Trump approved plan.
It was Kutchner who initially went to the Amazon bookstore to find any like minded economist his father in law might enjoy to support.

source Rachel Maddow.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 25 - 09:57 PM

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 03 Apr 25 - 08:25 PM

I foresee a march larger than the women's march during Trump's 1st term.

A siege is not trashing the White House but creating an embargo of the presidency. The Senate has reached its limit but the House is still hanging together for the time being.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 02:09 AM

Stilly, we have a Federal election in a few weeks, so folk are busy there.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 03:19 AM

IT TURNs OUT RON VERA IS NOT A REAL PERSON

The name is an anagram of Navarro


No it isn't!

DC

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 03:25 AM

Ron Navarro is the Trump minion who has plunged the world into recession with his Trump approved plan.

Do you mean Peter Navarro?

DC

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 07:05 AM

Apologies for the lengthy copy/paste: I lack time to make it shorter.

Trump fires NSA boss, deputy

'Nonpartisan' intelligence chief booted less than two years into the job

President Trump yesterday fired the head of the NSA and US Cyber Command and his deputy.

The removal was confirmed today by Senator Mark Warner (D-VA), vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The Pentagon declined to comment. [ ... ]

Senator Warner not only hit out at the dismissal of the NSA Director, but also alleged the decision was made following lobbying from a political ally-slash-fangirl of the President.

"It’s so crazy it defies belief: Trump refused to fire the people that embarrassed America and risked servicemembers’ lives in the Signalgate scandal," he tweeted. "But fired General Haugh, a nonpartisan national security expert, at the advice of a self-described 'pro-White nationalist.'"

The nationalist in question is Laura Loomer, a far-right conspiracy theorist who visited President Trump on Thursday. She publicly describes herself as a proud Islamophobe and White nationalist.

The firing was also confirmed by Representative Jim Himes (D-CT), who is a ranking member on the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He said the decision made America less safe and demanded an explanation.

"I am deeply disturbed by the decision to remove General Haugh as Director of the National Security Agency," he said on Facebook.

"I have known General Haugh to be an honest and forthright leader who followed the law and put national security first - I fear those are precisely the qualities that could lead to his firing in this Administration. The Intelligence Committee and the American people need an immediate explanation for this decision, which makes all of us less safe."

[ ... ]

All in all it has been a bad 48 hours for America's national security community. At least five members of the National Security Council were given their marching orders on Thursday after the Loomer meeting.

"Always, we’re going to let go of people we don’t like, or people we don’t think can do the job, or people who may have loyalties to somebody else," Trump said on Air Force One while on his way to a Saudi Arabia-backed golf tournament. He denied Loomer had anything to do with it.

The Orange Excuse really does lack an output filter. He's actually said the quiet bit out loud.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 09:44 AM

> If you believe this shit-show is all Trump's own
> work, you are either very naive or very deluded.

*Agree*, BwM: he was only the original enabler. But once the lid's off the kludgie ---

His Execrance may or may not survive* long enough to (want to) repeal the "two terms and you're out" Amendment, but the succession is already settled .... unless Jealous Dunce pisses him off once too often first. In the meantime, he's stuck in his Isengard, obsessing over the palantir that binds him to his belovéd Controller.

* The sanity-clause Amendment (25th?) will be irrelevant: they'd just bribe the examiner.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 10:21 AM

I think Navarro is correct. When I speak from personal knowledge and opinion, I say what I mean literally or metaphorically. When I simply repeat a news report, I am only a messenger, despite typos. I did find Ron Vera curious and extreme. btw, Peter Navarro is a different Trumpy guy.

Lets suppose that Trumponomics would actually work with the US manufacturers exploding with new factories and robots. What goes along with manufacturing is the pollution they create. Without an EPA, the results would be A VERY NASTY MESS. Have you ever seen pictures of the Asian garbage fields and pollution from manufacturing? Woof!

Those with a 401K or similar savings who are about to retire are being told by Trump talking heads to sit back and wait another 5 years or more for the market to recover and reach 50,000. Don't believe it.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 10:36 AM

My parents lived through the Great Depression. Some of us lived through the recession.
They are not the same folks.

The implication of tariffs is MASSIVE and dwarfs the elimination of all government services, safety nets, and disaster relief.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 11:21 AM

Seems like you're a bit confused about the Ron "Vara"/Peter Navarro story, Don. This article might shed some light on the matter. Raw Story


Wouldn't be surprised if the crackpot winds
up back in the Clink.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 01:15 PM

They are very close to tearing the support system in the US to shreds.

https://5calls.org/issue/house-budget-cuts-medicaid-billionaire-tax-breaks/

Gotta make a big noise about this. Is there a way to stop final approval? Probably not, but the outcome will be so dreadful that we must try.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 02:14 PM

My mistake: the succession is far from settled. Now that Herself's finished the Sudokus (Sudoki?) in this week's New European and I've had time to read it, it appears JD has zero MAGA cred: no macho aura, and an incurable urge to look clever. Hegseth has the first without the second, plus practice as a F*x News presenter, and was heavily defended by the Glorious Leader over Signalgate, for starters. Matthew D'Ancona tips an interesting dark horse (Megyn Kelly), with supporting arguments, and there's doubtless other hot horses who I've not seen named yet.

But these speculations are all so much Kremlinology. There's also a worrying two-page article with the headline "When Fred Trump lost his mind", and the subhead "What happens if Donald goes the same way as his senile father --- and what if he already has?" Fred's end was deeply tragic: sitting every day in a Potemkin office, with "thick pads of cheap notepaper and an endless supply of blue Flair markers", signing forms which were never read, let alone acted on, and thinking he was still running his property empire.

I'll leave it there awhile.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 02:58 PM

Donnie does take after his dad. Who is more harmful to society, Charles Manson or Donald Trump?
Too bad Donnie canceled Alzheimer's research.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Apr 25 - 03:24 PM

Heard a whisper that Trump has ordered his family to sue his personal safety team in the event he is shot, The figure mentioned was millions per member of his team.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 03:53 AM

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-tariffs-2-6668989-Apr2025/ a link to the journal and an article on Tariffs

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 05:30 AM

> Too bad Donnie canceled Alzheimer's research.

He refused to publish his health records (when Hilary did publish hers), or have a scan after the first shooting ....   Anyone would think he was terrified they'd find something.

But on a point of order: Was it him or Brain-Worm Junior who did the cancellation? for completeness of the Record.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 05:36 AM

Oh, and to answer your question, Donuel: Manson had a somewhat smaller blast radius.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 05:47 AM

That sounds about right, Raggy. Do the whispers mention poisoning? which leads me on to what may or may not have been a Dave Allen sketch:

The king receives a goblet of wine, and hands it to his poison-taster. The taster sips it, nods, and hands it back. The king takes a swallow. "April fool!" says the taster, and falls backwards, grinning happily.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 11:45 AM

In the US there are private equity firms that buy companies and take them apart. They make a profit on the pieces and whatever else is left struggles along, now paying rent to the party that bought the buildings they used to own to operate in. This happens to stores, to hospitals, to restaurants. To people who live in single-family homes. Those need to be outlawed.

Citizens United was the decision that gave personhood to businesses and allowed for the huge amounts of money that go into campaigns. It's how Musk bought Trump. That needs to be outlawed (again).

The $800+ Billion that goes into services for many millions of poor and old Americans via Medicaid supports hospitals, nursing homes, medical practices, medical temp agencies, medical equipment businesses, drug stores, housing assistance and more will go away - but the need for all of those services won't. People will die. Social Security pays only a pittance - a couple hundred dollars - toward burial costs (at least they used to). So as bodies stack up like cordwood, the billionaires will lose a major source of shoppers.

We pay into Medicare but the services supported by Medicare are also supported by Medicaid: if one goes away, the other is extremely crippled. So even those who aren't the extremely poor and old are going to lose a lot of access to care also. Oops. Oh, well.

But people say they voted for Trump because they thought a "businessman" could reduce the price of things. As media sources spiral downward what will be the lowest common denominator for news of what is going on? That's where the GOP will be spinning this mess and blaming it on Biden.

Our work ahead is dreadful.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 01:23 PM

But on a more positive note, read this article and have a look at some of the placards and the over-life-sized Trump themed costumes - some of them made me laugh out loud:

Thousands protest against Trump and Musk in 'Hands Off!' rallies across US and Europe

"Tens of thousands of protesters have taken part in an anti-Trump protest in a score of locations across the US in what organisers expect to be the largest single day of protest against President Donald Trump and his billionaire ally Elon Musk.

"So-called 'Hands Off!' demonstrations were organised for more than 1,200 locations in all 50 states in the United States by more than 150 civil rights organisations, labour unions, LBGTQIA+ advocates, veterans and elections activists.

"From the National Mall in Washington DC — where organisers told Reuters more than 20,000 were expected to attend — to Boston Common in Massachusetts, protesters assailed Mr Trump's and Mr Musk's actions on downsizing, the economy, immigration, recent tariffs and human rights."

...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 02:19 PM

Also, some other positive news in Oz.

As a result of the anti-Trump sentiments around the world Peter Dutton (the leader of the Oz opposition party, i.e. the conservative Liberal Party) has walked back a couple of his Trump-style policies for the Federal election next month. I think we can thank Trump's very unpopular tariff announcements for that. (Note: lucky for us the Liberal Party is not in the same extreme end of politics as the current US Republican party line but one of Dutton's political opponents referred to him as DOGE-y Dutton this week, comparing his policies to fElon Musk's abominable snowman tactics.)

And, a billionaire would-be politician here called Clive Palmer decided to rename his hugely unsuccessful political party Trumpet of Patriots, referring to Trump and hoping to hook the people in Oz who might sympathise with Trump's crazy ideas. Our local paper has been overloaded with daily ads for that party for the last few weeks, pending the Federal election, but when I read the Saturday edition there were no ads so the fall-out from Trump's tariff disaster may have hit Clive Palmer where it hurts.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 04:39 PM

Stilly, those equity firms have an equivalent animal in nature, the vulture.
Romney made his fortune as a vulture as much as a loan shark.
His 'corporations are people' argument became flesh and blood reality with Citizens United.

40 million Americans get food born illness per year, and 3,000 die.
Now that DOGE has hollowed out the FDA expect those numbers to go up.
The irony of Trump being food poisoned at McDonalds will also increase slightly. Produce causes half the reported illness' and meat causes the rest.

What will also become more poisonous are Trump's Maul Cops.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 06:11 PM

following on from Helen - our yellow man Clive (all his ads have a bright yellow background) spent $60 million in the 2019 Federal election & didn't get a single seat! This real fact led to a very clever - fake ad "from" IKEA saying he could have paid $27.99 for one of their popular chairs!

He spent $100 million in the 2022 election & got one seat, a MAGA style parrot who agrees with everything clive & trump say, spending for next month's election will no doubt will be more.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 06 Apr 25 - 07:22 PM

Sandra, I was going to use the word "parrot" too. I assume you meant that Clive is parroting Trump and Musk.

Maybe the name of the party could be changed to Strumpets of Parrots. LOL

Hubby sent me an image from an online computer game he plays where players can set up some scenes in the game. The image shows an end-of-the-world scenario with burning Teslas in front of a car dealership with a sign above the shopront saying "FELON MOTORS".

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 05:16 AM

This week I watched the 1990 movie of The Handmaid's Tale, starring Natasha Richardson and based on Margaret Atwood's 1985 novel which I read when it was first published. When I first read it and first saw the movie back in the '90's I really didn't think it was possible for that situation to become a reality.

With Trump's moves to build up the power of rich, white men and reduce the power of poorer people and specifically target women with his dystopian policies I have to admit that the situation in the novel and movie is not as far-fetched as I once thought. One of the key premises for the story is that climate change has had a negative impact on the ability of women to have children so fertile women are used as commodities to help rich powerful couples to have children and are subject to the power of those couples, and especially to the power of the man of the house.

I had to watch the movie in stages because it was so confronting. It's a different ballgame reading the book or watching the movie and thinking that it is so far out of the realms of possibility that it is just a fantasy, compared with seeing some of those dystopian fantasies becoming a reality IRL.

The whole basis of the story is scary.

The final series of the TV show will begin airing this week in Oz. I didn't like the TV show because I thought they dragged it out to great lengths and over-played the cruelty and torture, compared with Margaret Atwood's book which is cleverly subtle.

I'll watch the final TV series, but I'm not really expecting much compared with the original book and movie. It is being billed as the women fighting back and hopefully regaining control over their own lives.

The reason I am posting this in this thread is because I blame Trump and his cronies for bringing these types of dystopian fantasies into real life and watching the old movie again makes that realisation hit home with me even more.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 05:37 AM

> In the US there are private equity firms that buy
> companies and take them apart.

We get them in the UK too: the polite term for them is "asset strippers". They're easy to spot, as one or both of the words "capital" or "management" appear in the company name. One such predatory company is in the process of attempting to ingest Thames Water as we speak, ironically because Thames Water bankrupted itself by paying out dividends to shareholders from bank loans.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 07:37 AM

With enough elapsed time, the bad news for America is very good news for European economies and especially Chinese opportunities as everyone looks east and even Japan and the Pacific teams up with China.

Subject: RE: Dancin in the moonlight
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 03:21 PM

We get chaos almost every night
And when that ol' man tweets his bile so big and vile
It's a narcissistic plight
Everybody's losing all their birthrights

[Verse 2]
Everybody here is out of cash
High prices are up our ass
We keep things cheap, we keep things light
Everybody's losin all their birthrights

[Chorus]
Dancing in the floodlight
Everybody in the camps a fright
It's such a sad and unnatural sight
Everybody's losin all their birthright

[Verse 3]
They like their guns and always fight
We don't feel free we're all uptight
It's such a sad and unnatural sight
Everybody was dancing in the floodlight

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 05:39 PM

Trump had four years to dream up retribution against his critics.
Not in project 2025 is the revenge of removing the security of those who had foreign threats for actions like the killing of Sulamani and his political rivals. Also, his retribution against law firms is brand new. There is a challenge to the equality of people who are not WASPs or MAGA fans. The real Americans are only those loyal to Trump. The use of media is far more authoritarian in a very big brother way with constant Trump commercials.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 06:35 PM

I don't know who this guy is, and it makes me realize I should read that damned 900 page Project 2025 report. Or at least a summary of it.

Part 1: On April 20th, 2025, the United States may Cross the Point of No Return.

This essay scares the bejeezus out of folks who have shared it so far.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 07:00 PM

SRS, have the elected representatives in the Congress and Senate started taking useful action or are they all still sitting in the corner with their thumbs in their mouths, quaking in their boots?

Or are they strategically waiting for Trump to implode politically so that they can start acting like responsible adults again? I was very happy to see how many protests were held in the US and other countries. Hopefully that will put some pressure on the elected reps.

So far I have heard very little about any actions by politicians against Trump. Maybe I'm not looking at the best media sources.

At least it appears that fElon is getting pushed out of the front row. (I hope!)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 09:36 PM

A few GOP have stirred, but not enough to have an effect yet. But we're working on it!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 07 Apr 25 - 09:46 PM

I guess Trump and his mates are making millions destroying world financial markets with planed share options to bet on a fall they create . A put option is a financial contract that gives the buyer the right, but not the obligation, to sell an asset (like a stock) at a specific price (the strike price) by a certain date (the expiration date). The value of a put option increases as the underlying asset's price decreases, making them a tool for hedging against potential losses or speculating on price declines. A share option on increase in value can work as well as Trump now dictates world markets. Insider dealing is against the law but wat's wrong with another on the convicted felon list for nearly 4 years ?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 03:50 AM

Congress is divided. The Senate is barely able to stop Trump from using wartime emergency powers, but the House, under Mike Johnson, the speaker, will not budge. The SCOTUS did not rule on the use of emergency power but only said a challenge must come from Texas regarding deportations with no due process, and not Washington, D.C.
I don't think anyone expected a put option of a 6.5 trillion dollar MARKET loss. On CNN, MAGA hired talking heads defend the tariffs by saying 'there is no recession'...........................................yet

SCOTUS has ruled 5-4 that Trump can deport anyone under the war powers act as long as they get due process.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 04:57 AM

Canada's protest song

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 05:49 AM

”SCOTUS has ruled 5-4 that Trump can deport anyone under the war powers act as long as they get due process.”

Which country(ies) is/are the US at war with at the moment?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 10:01 AM

Very good question, BwM: which countries *aren't* they at war with? even itself?

And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided
against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided
against itself shall not stand.
       -- Matthew 12:25

But to your point, Helen:

> are they strategically waiting for Trump to implode
> politically

.... When it comes to doing something decisive, everybody wants to be second, as whoever's first is the nominated riot shield. But there's hopeful signs, however small. I found this near the foot of ....

As CISA braces for more cuts, threat intel sharing takes a hit

Will 'gutting' the civilian defense agency make American cybersecurity great again?

[ ... ]

Meanwhile, California Rep Eric Swalwell, the ranking Democrat on the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Protection, last week called the cuts "schizophrenic," and indicated he plans to push legislation this year to codify JCDC into law.

[ ... ]

PS: I've just noticed that The Register's started using the tagline WORLD WAR FEE as a synonym for "trade tariff".

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 12:27 PM

.... Hoooo: just re-read your msg of 07 Apr 25 - 06:35 PM, Stilly, and followed the link, all the way down the rabbit-hole. Serious stare-at-the-wall time; "brown-trouser experience" ain't in it. All too plausible, and the odds shorten by the day minute.

And I think I have an inkling what the triggering excuse will be.* It won't actually matter quite who's there at the wheel, and who's out: now it's over the brow of the hill, the juggernaut can grind on with much of its geartrain missing.

* I'll refrain from giving someone ideas.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 02:19 PM

The link seems to be stating the same fears that I have been censured for voicing. Or am I missing something?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 02:20 PM

MtF:

Our current crop of U S Republicans are operating off a limited set of principles:

"Early bird gets the worm;
Second mouse gets the cheese."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 03:03 PM

Oh! Sad! :-(

Billionaires turn on Donald Trump over 'economic nuclear war'

"Wealthy tech bros, former Playboy bunnies and Australian miners are turning on Donald Trump as the fallout continues from new tariffs he imposed on America’s trading partners late last week.

"Business leaders who previously donated to Trump’s campaign or showed support for the US president during his re-election bid have criticised the widespread tariffs, which have plunged the global stock market into chaos.

"The tariffs were designed to deal with "the highest trade imbalances" with the United States and were wide-ranging measures taken in a bid to prioritise US manufacturing.

"However their sweeping nature has sparked fears of a global recession as investors sell off trillions of dollars' worth of stocks.

"Even with a two per cent rebound on Tuesday, Australian stocks had still lost more than five per cent - or over $100 billion - in value since last Wednesday's close.

"Meanwhile the world’s 500 richest people suffered the biggest two-day loss ever recorded on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, losing a collective $887 billion.

"Business men and women who have previously backed Mr Trump’s policies and election platform have since turned on him, with some suffering billions of dollars wiped off their overall net worth."

...

There are losses shown for fElon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and three others, including an Aussie billionaire Gina Rinehart.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Musk coup 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Apr 25 - 04:05 PM

Dave, it's a well-crafted conspiracy theory — there are still a lot of obstacles in the way of such a thing happening. The anonymity of author "Aletheisthenes" tells me they're more interested in generating fear than encouraging people to participate in government. Call that guy alt alt left.