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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Surreysinger Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:13 AM Goatfell,you seem to be talking to yourself ... everyone else has moved on well away from there, and you have already given your opinion, which you are of course entitled to. There is little point in continually harping on about the fact that you like chorus songs ... it's not going to change the content of the programme which is now two days ago !!! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: GUEST Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:19 AM Some of us find the Dubliners, the Corries and definitely the Spinners to be exceptionally boring, so much so that I'd rather listen to Bellowhead, and I'd much rather listen to Home Service than them. martin Simpson is a guitarist's performer, and we therefore take preference.
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Big Al Whittle Date: 22 Jul 08 - 01:14 PM You may have found all those groups boring - although they contained very fine musicians, singers and songwriters. However none of them needed an arts council grant to play a folk festival, none of them had much trouble filling any concert hall in the country and the folk scene in those days didn't have that lingering smell of of a 'well in' coterie continually rubbishing everyone else and denying access to the media to everyone else. Martin Simpson and Bellowhead don't need you to abuse other and earlier artists. i don't imagine they would appreciate it. And coming so soon after Cliff Hall's death - well we can do without it. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: The Borchester Echo Date: 22 Jul 08 - 03:23 PM Back in the late 1960s in the year the Keele Festival moved to Loughborough, the EFDSS held a "town" ceilidh, away from the "gown" campus in a bid to involve the good burghers of Loughborough. Not many came and it was a bit of a disaster. The Spinners (for they were the interval spot) had nevertheless an uproarious time getting pissed with yours truly and making jokes on the lines of "why do the EFDSS always book us, don't they know any other bands?" They were well aware of the rest of what we might (if we must) call the "scene" resenting how they ALWAYS but ALWAYS got this sort of gig (and guess who the ceilidh band was? Yes, that's right, the Yetties. Obviously). Both bands were pragmatic. A gig's a gig. Nice chaps, scratching a living. Things haven't changed much except that the living is harder and the musicianship infinitely better. On the subject of singing along with Martin Simpson, I've heard him drowned out by a wall of sound during Sammy's Bar. Not nice. Not that I'm keen on the song particularly, but if I go to listen to Martin Simpson, that's who I want to hear. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Jul 08 - 03:32 PM Robin Denselow actually gave a pretty positive review of the day as a whole. He was absolutely right about the evening concert. There was a slight feeling of failure of imagination about it, in spite of the good things therein. Four stars overall ain't bad from The Guardian. We don't need sycophants, do we. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Bonzo3legs Date: 22 Jul 08 - 04:29 PM Let's see, prom is probably short for promenade which means on your 2 feet, which some folks indeed were, so that surely meets all necessary criteria. On yer bike classic snobs! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Houston_Diamond Date: 22 Jul 08 - 04:52 PM With an apology for eavesdropping Ruth I thought Jim was gonna buy some equations... I think it were my dad they would have to have a large number of polynomials extremely quadratic and set as a simultanious problem where you have to find the x and y values via finding the values from the rest of the alphabet!!! You can tell how much I love my dad ;) lol Am still reading the programme from Sunday :) Surrey Singer, I liked your comments about the RAH. The only thing is I am sure the acoustics were totally different in the hall pre-amplification. The odd shaped upside down mushrooms were put in to deaden the reverberation from the pretty corregated ceiling in 1969 according to wikipedia, I love the addage in there that says "It used to be said that the hall was the only place where a British composer could be sure of hearing his work twice.". I couldn't imagine the resound in the original hall since chairs and other materials have been changed and added since. Royal Albert Hall - Wikipedia PDF research paper into the acoustics of RAH before and after restoration I am sure there was a documentary of the analysis of the acoustics of the RAH but I can't seem to find it... I know quite a few great folk artist that could perform there without amplification :D |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Surreysinger Date: 22 Jul 08 - 06:18 PM Hi Houston "The only thing is I am sure the acoustics were totally different in the hall pre-amplification" I think that's more or less what I said, wasn't it ?? As I recall they had great hopes for the mushrooms ... but at the end of the day they didn't do the job as well as had been expected ,and the acoustics were still crap after all that work and effort (all that said before having a chance to check out the research paper for interest purposes.) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: goatfell Date: 23 Jul 08 - 02:59 PM I hate these 'GUEST' because I think that they are just cowards that don't have the nerve or the guts to give themselves a name, at lest when I put a post here you can what my mudcat name is. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: goatfell Date: 23 Jul 08 - 03:00 PM I totally agree with Joe Offer, either give yourself a name or sod off |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: GUEST,Joe G Date: 23 Jul 08 - 06:43 PM People may be interested to know that the discussion re this on the R3 Performance message board has become a lot more mature and interesting over the last few days. Some real food for thought there I think Joe G |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Houston_Diamond Date: 26 Jul 08 - 05:25 PM "As I recall they had great hopes for the mushrooms ... but at the end of the day they didn't do the job as well as had been expected ,and the acoustics were still crap after all that work and effort" I was in the minus years when the fiberglass mushrooms were added but with the knowledge of singing in lots of places where I want to hear the reverberation of my voice I could imagine that without them the resound would be horrendous. The problem is that the hall is an oval shaped building with 2 bowls facing each other. The sound energy is bound to reflect and hit itself several times creating unwanted effects. Cast iron is not an acoustically sympathetic material as anyone with a bath would tell you, that said if the note is sympathetic to the cast iron shape it resonates beautifully (which isn't useful with lots of notes!) I don't think volume is too much of an issue... if you were in the RAH on the Sunday afternoon or if you check out the recording you can hear a baby make a noise, surely a folk singer can sing higher than a baby? That's enough of me chattin sh*te lol... Am fascinated to find out what solution they are bound to come up with... it'll probably be a combination of sound deadening material and sound canceling technology combined with amplification (not very folkie but then the RAH wasn't designed for folk and folk was really designed for public houses and family homes.) :D |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Jul 08 - 05:33 PM I saw a folk festival in Keele in the mid 70's. I remember seeing Bill Caddick, Martn Wyndham Read, June Tabor and Bernard Wrigley. I'm sure it was after the date you mention as moving to Loughborough. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Proms From: Surreysinger Date: 26 Jul 08 - 06:21 PM > folk was really designed for public houses and family homes.) Designer folk ? Now there's an idea..... LOL BTW ... don't forget the workplace as well (not to mention the non-family homes) |
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