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Subject: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 02 Mar 05 - 12:05 PM OK this is a long shot but I know there are many folk music gurus out there who also have links to the Library world. I am trying to find out about employment conditions for Secondary SCHOOL librarians in European countries. I need to know.... Do they have to be qualified to work in schools taking pupils of 11years and upwards Are they treated as Teachers or Support Staff in their contracts? Are they paid the same salary as Teachers or support Staff? Do they have a teacher's pension or that of support staff (and what is their retirement age). By support staff I would mean someone like a lab technician If anyone can supply any answers for any EUROPEAN country or even if you know where I might find any of this info I'd be really greatful. Isn't it such a shame when real work gets in the way of music!!! Thanks in advance Sarah |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Willa Date: 02 Mar 05 - 01:39 PM Hi Sarah You might find this useful.http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=qualifications+for+school+librarians&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB I think the short answer is that they do not have to be qualified, but that things are heading that way. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 02 Mar 05 - 03:54 PM Thanks Willa ....my fault I as I forgot the Uk is part of Europe too!!!! How is this possible???? Unfortunately I am only too aware of the sorry state of affairs for British School Librarians. I'm looking for data on school librarians outside the UK but in other European countries.... I'm also highly jealous of all those lucky librarians in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the majority of whom seem to get their qualifications recognised! Cheers Sarah |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 03 Mar 05 - 05:50 AM Refresh in case anyone out there might have missed this ANY europeans???? (non UK ones that is???) |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 03 Mar 05 - 06:46 AM Didn't move up the list for some reason - trying again |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Noreen Date: 03 Mar 05 - 09:33 AM Sarah, have you come across the school librarians' network, a discussion group on yahoo? There are members who post from New Zealand and Canada as well as many from the UK. There may be other members in other European countries, or members who have the information that you are looking for. PM me if you want further details. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 03 Mar 05 - 01:13 PM Yep I'm a member Noreen and actively seeking on that one too. Think I've got a good contact in France through that but thanks for posting Sarah |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Susanne (skw) Date: 03 Mar 05 - 08:56 PM As far as I know there are no school librarians employed in German secondary schools - full stop. Usually it is a teacher running the library in his or her spare time, with the help of senior pupils. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 04 Mar 05 - 11:46 AM Teachers?????....Spare time?????? good grief! Thanks for the info Suzanne- do you know of any way to verify this? Srah |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Susanne (skw) Date: 04 Mar 05 - 05:40 PM Well, I used to work in a grammar school twenty years ago, and school librarians were an unknown concept. I doubt they've been introduced since. My friend is still a grammar school teacher. Going by what she buys in the way of books, they haven't even got a library, let alone a librarian. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: open mike Date: 05 Mar 05 - 03:43 AM In U.S. Schools the jobs are categorized thusly: Credentialled (teachers--and probably administrators, too) and certified ( I think that is the term) meaning those who do not have teacher's credentials.. classroom aids, bus drivers, janitors, secretarial... and after school care-givers... not sure what category is given to health workers.. nurses, speech therapists, psychiatrist/psychologist. Some of the health realted workers rotate around thru several different schools and/or districts. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 05 Mar 05 - 04:09 AM Susanne - would your teacher friend be able to find out some more about this for me? How do you qualify as a teacher in Germany? Which departments tend to run the Library? I'd be really interested to find out some more - is there a website you know of that might have this data? Thanks for your help Sarah Mike - us poor UK Librarians weep with envy at our US counterparts!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Susanne (skw) Date: 05 Mar 05 - 07:12 PM Sarah, to become a secondary school teacher in Germany you have to study for at least four years (two specialised subjects plus pedagogy or whatever it's called), and normally you will only teach those two subjects. When you've got your degree (state, not university, and not much use for any other job) and a little wait, perhaps (depends very much on your subjects) you do two years teacher's training. Another exam, and with luck you're in. Only you don't know where. In Germany you don't apply to an individual school for a job but to the state (one of our federal states) which then allocates the teachers without any consideration for their present place of habitation. Most of the extra tasks in school - from running the library, the collections for the various science subjects or music or a department, to working out the timetable and break duty - are done by the teachers themselves. The only non-teachers in a German school are normally the secretary, the cleaners and the janitor. (Though I hear that some inner-city schools are now getting their resident psychologists, and as part of the effort to make schools 'whole-day' instead of 'half-day', i.e. 9 - 4 instead of 7.30 - 1, non-teachers are employed for some hours per week to do projects, supervise homework etc.). Any teacher can volunteer to run the library, but I'd normally expect them to choose someone with some years' teaching experience. The one good thing is, German teachers are better paid than English ones. If you've got further questions, PM me or write to skw at worldmusic dot de. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: GUEST Date: 05 Mar 05 - 11:46 PM You are beginning your quest at the right time of year for September 2005
Sarah - what is your background:
The "International Schools" pay VERY well for beginning salaries. Generally, the requirments for lower-level employment can be flexible. However, outside accredation reviews in the upper levels demand credentialed instructors.
http://www.cois.org/directory/gen_schoolSearch.asp |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: GUEST Date: 05 Mar 05 - 11:50 PM In the U.S.A. - public high schools are now required for new hires to have "media specialists" for the library. Four year degree and fifth year teaching credential with emphasis in library science. |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Sarah the flute Date: 06 Mar 05 - 09:28 AM Thanks guest for the info but I'm only too aware of the amazingly good conditions elsewhere in the profession and unfortunately I'm tied to the UK and to my current job. I have a degree in Biochemistry and a Masters in Information Science and have Chartered status as a Librarian/Information Scientist and have worked in the industry for far too many years!. My colleagues and I are trying to find out the contractual status for qualified school librarians in European Countries outside the UK so we can make a comparison with some hard hitting facts and show that more than one type of academic professional exists in British schools. Does that clarify a bit??? Cheers Sarah |
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Subject: RE: Cry for help to European Folkies From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 06 Mar 05 - 11:02 AM German schools do not always have a library. Some better schools have (e.g. my school, founded in 1543); instead of librarians a teacher is detached to do the library work in his spare time. So was my grandfather (Latin, history), one of his pupils as a teacher at the same school (Latin, Greek), and now it is worked by a neighbour of mine (mathematics, biology). We have two departments at the library: For teachers (with some rare and expensive books, too), and for pupils a stock of schoolbooks for every class which are leased free for the duration of the term. By the way - are you the Sarah I met at Barrows upon Humber, or not? Discuss. Wilfried |
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