BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 12 - 02:57 PM

Hmmm. I didn't get the URL for this email. If you want to check it out, though, it is from a Professor Baudsomething or other. I'll look again later when I have time.

"You see, the Homosexual Classrooms Act contains a laundry list of anti-family provisions that will:
*** Require schools to teach appalling homosexual acts so "homosexual students" don't feel "singled out" during already explicit sex-ed classes;
*** Spin impressionable students in a whirlwind of sexual confusion and misinformation, even peer pressure to "experiment" with the homosexual "lifestyle;"
*** Exempt homosexual students from punishment for propositioning, harassing, or even sexually assaulting their classmates, as part of their specially-protected right to "freedom of self-expression;"
*** Force private and even religious schools to teach a pro-homosexual curriculum and purge any reference to religion if a student claims it creates a "hostile learning environment" for homosexual students."

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 12 - 03:30 PM

It was written by and mailed from a Eugene DeGaudio through Townhall Spotlight [e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 15 May 12 - 04:26 PM

Many folks quickly point to "the Bible" for their "defense of marriage." Well, this is what "the Bible" has to say about "acceptable" marriage:

Marriage in the Bible


Saul

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 15 May 12 - 05:15 PM

Very interesting, saul...

Tell ya'll what... If you have to use a Bible quote to justify your position then...

a. there is a 99.9% chance that somewhere else in the Bible there is something that contradicts that position and...

b. you can't come up with any non-Biblical justifications for that position

BTW, I am Christian and know my way around the Bible...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 May 12 - 05:26 PM

Having viewed the link about the Bible, I note with interest that a victim of rape is obliged to marry her attacker. How delightful. I think we can treat Biblical condemnation of gay marriage with the same reaction, ie disgust.

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 15 May 12 - 05:40 PM

My my...we're really scraping the barrel now!

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 15 May 12 - 07:28 PM

My point was that "they" like to point to something that "they" think of as the one and only biblical notion of marriage as "one man and one woman," whereas it really mentions several versions, most of which are what civilized people would think of as horrific, or at least, somewhat weird.

And as the great Willie said (and I'm paraphrasing), "The devil can cite scripture for his own purposes." So basically, this whole notion of "biblical" marriage that is so often mentioned is a fraud.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Janie
Date: 15 May 12 - 11:22 PM

I started this thread expressing sadness. Now I have a different, more hopeful perspective - and fwiw, not from the many posts to this thread that display the usual ineffective bickering and finger pointing by the usual suspects on either side of the political spectrum who are mostly concerned with personally belittling one another, playing the martyr, one upsmanship, or otherwise getting in the last accusatory word or pointed finger, which is not to say I do not appreciate or learn from the thoughtful, rational posts and links that also have been made.

As I continue to follow the news reports and editorials within North Carolina I comprehend that a sea change is occurring that I think likely is reflective of the nation. The good news is there is real discussion and real thinking about this issue that is likely to lead to greater recognition among many that this is a human rights issue. This discussion is broader and involves more of the population than likely would be occurring at this point in time without this amendment, and without it's passage. This North Carolina amendment is not a "last gasp" but I think it is nearly so, and will have the effect of raising the consciousness of people within the State and around the nation. There will, of course, continue to be the idiotic sniping and finger pointing among our citizenry that is reflected on this thread, but clearly the times they are a changing, and the day is coming - not soon enough, but clearly now sooner rather than later, when a vast majority of people will look back and be appalled at the ruckus. Rather like Jim Crow in that while racism is still alive and well, the number of people, including rather obvious racists to whom separate drinking fountains still make some kind of sick sense are a bonafide rarity.


I don't think I am being overly optimistic in thinking along these lines. I guess time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: John P
Date: 16 May 12 - 09:02 AM

I agree Janie. I've had a sense that the tide is turning. More and more people are "evolving".

Speaking of which, one of my current favorite quotes was from last year sometime when columnist Leonard Pitts ending a column about civil rights by urging President Obama to "evolve faster." I'm glad the president finally evolved to the point of supporting equal rights for all Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 16 May 12 - 09:48 AM

So let's hear it for "evolution?"

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 16 May 12 - 10:52 AM

Unfortunately we do not always evolve in a manner beneficial to society.
Evolution these days is heavily influenced by factors like the Entertainment Media in which as we all know there is a massive over-representation of homosexuals.    No??? Just turn on your TV any hour of the day or night and absorb the propaganda.

Perhaps US TV is not so badly affected.

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 12 - 01:02 PM

Lots of pro-rights letters in the Charlotte Observer, as well...

The Republican statehouse should have had this as part of the general election and not a primary where there was more interest on the Republican side...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 16 May 12 - 02:21 PM

In todays Times the latest poll from "independent" US voters shows President Obama's popularity falling by 5% since his statement on "Gay Marriage".....A great political mistake from Mr O I think..... to underestimate the silent majority.

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 12 - 02:32 PM

Ake, how do you know that the "silent majority" is opposed to same-sex marriage when they are silent?

That obviously reflects your prejudices.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 12 - 03:05 PM

Poll numbers will bounce between now and November in 5 to 8 point swings... They mean nothing...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 16 May 12 - 03:26 PM

I think President Obama has, in this instance, been very badly advised.

The trouble with the "liberal" left is that they ALWAYS believe their own propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Amos
Date: 16 May 12 - 04:51 PM

You sure love them sweeping generalizations, huh, Ake?

Confusing the issues of civil rights with individual health issues is a great way to go blind and grow hair on your palms, ya know...

May you have strapping sons who all discover they are gay.



A

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 12 - 06:59 PM

But, Ake, perhaps it was the right thing to do.

Politicians sometimes do that, you know. Do something they really should do, even if it isn't necessarily politically expedient.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 16 May 12 - 07:27 PM

Oh?

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 12 - 08:08 PM

Yes.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 12 - 08:28 PM

The United Sates is 1 Supreme Court justice short of striking down all these oppressive laws... Just one!!!

Vote Obama and restore civil rights to everyone...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 May 12 - 01:45 AM

Don: "Ake, how do you know that the "silent majority" is opposed to same-sex marriage when they are silent?"

Because they are answering polls, now!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Amos
Date: 17 May 12 - 10:03 AM

The surveys of opinion I have seen are predominantly in favor of tolerance.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Janie
Date: 19 May 12 - 09:40 PM

The NAACP appears to have listened, and thought through this issue.

We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law.