BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:09 PM

Yes, blame Amos! ;-) He is, after all, to blame for a great many things in zis suffering world of woe which we inhabit. Imagine! He refers to me as "jaded, cynical, myopic and bitter". Zut allors! He further refers to me as "dismissive, condescending, somewhat smug and not quite in touch with reality". Tabernac!!! I weel disembowel zis feelthy swine wiz one stroke of my pen (mightier zan ze sword) and scatter hees feelthy entrails to zee four weends!

(The above is a parody of one or more European accents transposed upon English words. While there is some leaning toward cliched Gallic accent stereotypes often seen in what was once termed the Yellow Press, one can also find hints of Latin American and even perhaps German inflections...but who can say?)

A German does tend to pronounce the English word "work" as "verk" (if you write what he says in English)...but if you were to write it in German, then "verk" would be pronounced "furk" (in English), except that there would 2 dots above the "u", and........actually, you know, this is too difficult to merit the time required to explain it.

Let's instead try to compose an essay about the relative merits of Dachshunds, and why they would make better presidents than the people usually picked by the Democratic and Republican Party*.

*(note: the singular form "Party" was intentional on my part). ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:49 PM

NON Monsieur! It is I who az been refered to as jaded et cynical et bereft of any sense of realite" NOT YOU monsieur, so leetle bird you may just fly away now shoo shoo.
Mon Dieu Do you not know zat I am ze Hack?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:51 PM

"Agreed, Amos, but the problem is that large parts of the public crave the simplicty of such stances, as the real complexity of issues is difficult to acknowledge."

The public crave the truth, they have had enough of Jack the Lad who can carry out a bit of first aid, a bit of newspeak,a little sleight of hand.

The answer is simple, not complex,how to survive for another two decades using this discredited system is complex.

The answer is easy, but will never be accepted by Capitalists or their "liberal" pot carriers. Cut wasteful consumerism, encourage self- sufficiency, abandon piracy and wars of aggression, curb population growth, teach children the value of real jobs,not how to amass money, teach them to appreciate the beauty and wonder of our environment and most importantly, that this world owes no one a living.All the indulgencies of the human rights legislation should be weighed in the scales of common sense.

The answer is easy, but putting it into practice will be no easy ride, with no room for hypocrites.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 05:11 PM

Well, akenaton, here would be my solutions to the world's problems...if it's solutions people here want. Or do we just want to bitch and vent our frustrations? ;-)

We ALL want the truth. Correct? Okay, so number one, the politicians and news media and everyone in charge need to start telling people the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about everything that is going on and why. The truth WILL set people free.

That was no. 1.

2. We need to end poverty since poverty creates much crime and social desperation and also fuels many military conflicts. There would have to be a concerted effort to end poverty around the world. This could be done by (a) providing better education for people in any place where they need it (while respecting the local culture) and (b) providing useful work for those people, work that is not harmful to others nor to the natural environment...and that brings us to no. 3...

3. We need a worldwide worker's Bill of Rights so that people in all parts of the world get paid a similar comparable wage for similar comparable effort and accomplishment. I don't mean that everyone gets paid the same wage! I mean that if you are a miner in India, you get paid the same actual wage in real purchasing power where you live that a miner in Russia or the UK or America gets paid.

4. We need an end to war and general disarmament of most of our more destructive weaponry. We need an end to imperialism by larger nations over smaller ones.

Hmmmm. Now how could all of the above be achieved? It would require that our leaders be motivated by idealism to help all humanity, not by power-seeking or monetary gain. Hmmm!

And it would require a public who can rise above mere selfishness and narrow parochialism to a genuine desire to assist all their fellow human beings and to heal the damage that's been done to the planet.

In short, everyone would have to grow up emotionally and rise to the best that is within them.

Now...how do we do that? ;-)

I try to do the best I can by making my own life a good and harmless one. I figure that's my angle of effectiveness on the whole thing. One changes the world by changing oneself, in my opinion.

There are a few people in this world who act powerfully to change many in a more positive direction. At one time such people were termed "saints". I'm all for that, and I salute their efforts when their efforts yield positive results.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 06:11 PM

worldwide worker's Bill of Rights ?

The IWW (wobblies) made a good start of such a bill of rights.
They are the people who made it nessesary for corporations to demonize these citiaens as the greatest Communist threat to the American way. Keep it on the down low but the American way is still founded on slavery and depends on it to this very day. The problem today is that we outsourced our slaves to Asia which left America with only a tenth of the manufacturing workers that created a stable middle class to buy goods and pay taxes.


HERE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO

Unless America wnats to be second class in all things but nuclear weapons we need to engage in NATION BUILDING, REBUILD Our Nation for a change.
We stand a good chance against the competition of BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) since we as a mongrel mixed breed nation will have an advantage over nations that are limited by claste in India and the deep seated Han Chinese racism and the comparably less than homogenous countries of Brazil and Russia.

By design Globalism is a club exclusive only to corporations and banks. To suggest globalism for workers is anathma to free marketeers who enjoy the exploitation of workers. The closer the model of corporate workers is to slavery, the more ideal it becomes.

Long term planning for building a sustainable clean solar and hydrogen energy economy will go far to achieve American pride.

Unfortunatly the first workers to arrive at the clean energy factories are in Japan and Northern Europe. Education is our fundamental heartbeat that will sustain and create people here who may find the next innovation that is friendly to life and the pursuit of happiness.

The greedy bubble makers in the financial industry must be dealt with so severly that it will undoubtedly create a back lash. But the simple fact is if we lay seige to Wall Street and in return Wall Street does the same, our dream of progress will be in limbo. We need to declare the equivalent of war against the foreign and domestic financial enemies of the USA. They have done more deep seated damage to this country than all our wars since WW II. They wrung us dry and still want more.

In the battle between the full faith and power of the United States Government and the International capital of Wall Street and worldwide banks you can be sure that Wall street will have no mercy. They would seek to crush the US economy for their own ends, and have done so several times in case you haven't noticed.

We need federal judges, education and workers for nation building here at home. With less eteranal war and healthier citizens we can rise from the ashes of the most disasterous party of greedy gone wild financeers.

Recoverying from this current Gilded Age will take at least 3 generations which is pretty darn good. A clear mission is all it takes for people to know enough to care enough to work with the joy of mutual prosperity.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Amos
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 08:06 PM

Actuellemt, mon vieux Donuel, c'etait le "awk auquel je faisait reference, et non pas le "'Ack".

A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 08:37 PM

There should be blazing headlines on a daily basis: ECONOMIC COUP IN THE WORLD's BANKS! TRILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS STOLEN!

Think about all the vital issues you care about and then think about the Trillions of dollars that were stolen. How could a small fraction of that money directly affect the issues you care about most? We need to make this connection, and we need to make the theft of Trillions of dollars THE LEAD ISSUE RIGHT NOW!

Just think about how much can be done with this stolen money. The highest quality universal healthcare could be provided to everyone in the US. Every foreclosed mortgage in the US can be paid off, for that matter, it would take a fraction of the stolen money to provide a free house to every family in the US. Thousands upon thousands of jobs can be created with the stolen money. Young people who are shackled with massive student debt can have their loans paid off and we can have free higher education for everyone, not to mention a drastically improved educational system. Think about the social programs across the board that could be funded to improve our societal functions and standards of living, if we could use the stolen tax money for what it was originally intended for.

This money could be used to help combat the environmental crisis. The bottom line is that people seem to be missing the point that this stolen money could be used to actually solve many of the serious issues we are confronted with. This is not a utopian dream, the resources are available, it could be a reality, if we had the stolen tax money.

featured Franklin D. Roosevelt talked about an Economic Bill of Rights, he never had a chance to implement them, but if we were to recoup the Trillions that have been stolen from us, we could turn FDR's Economic Bill of Rights into a reality.


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People saw their retired neighbor lose his pension because the company did a side step sale and took all the pension money. They passed laws to make it legal to not even fund pensions.
But that was your neighbor not you so you didn't care that much.

Now "they" got it all and you are going to have less than you even now imagine.

The best heroic plot line I have thought of this year is about a group of dedicated young system analysts at the GAO in Washington DC who conspire and carry out the greatest take back of the 92 Trillion dollar theft over the last 15 years that leaves Goldman Sachs and AIG and others in the position of riches to rags.

The US Government of the people by the people and for the people finally becomes too big to fail and entraps all the most corrupt CEOs and financeer banksters to a deal they can not refuse. These pompous greedy gangsters are treated like drug lords forced to take a plea or try to flee the full force of the US armed forces.

The banksters who try to fight back are left with Arab mercenaries and Blackwater as their body guards and are defeated in a matter of weeks. The palaces mansions and island estates left behind become vacation resorts for the emerging workforce who had lost their jobs homes and loved ones at the hand of the now dead or imprisoned Banksters and CEO con men. Near the end, proof is found at a Bilderberg Estate detailing the corporate investments toward a 1,000 year Reich master slave society without the needless extra 4 billion peple on the planet.

Yep its a A full blown action hero thriller with shameless parallels to the actual criminals at large.

If you are talented in character development for screenplays, please PM me regarding any interest and/or experience. Anything is possible.
Possible movie titles Losers weepers, 2013, Arrogant Bastards
The 13 patriots.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 09:03 PM

Amos, While I am apparently not the ACK to whom you refer I am indeed the Hak.
The ancedote as to how my step grandfather got the name Hakman at Ellis Island in the 1920's goes something like this.

After the long sickening and crowded voyage in steerage my grandmother and grandfather finally made it up to the processing line at Ellis Island which would eventually lead to the health check or quarantine and finally to enter the United States as legal immigrants. As they stood before a beaurocrat behind wooden bars who was nearly as exhausted as they;
The man made some crude cultural slurs in their direction such as "These dirty Hebs give me the Hebe Jeebies. Grandfather caught the jist of his remarks and replied in Yiddish "Hak mir nicht!" which means "Don't knock me". The clerk said Hakmir? OK now your name is Hakman.
Thats how the family name of Tostoyovich became Hakman with the stroke of a pen.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 09:50 PM

Amost wrote:
"You are jaded, cynical, myopic and bitter in these matters, Monsieur le Hack. Also dismissive, condescending, somewhat smug and (in my humble small opinion) not quite in touch with reality.
"

Ain't it good to know that people can disagree and yet come to terms on your good points?

"Verk" as an employment agency owner's take on German pronunciation? Subbing a V for a W is more of a Slavic take, because Russian and Polish don't have a native 'W' sound. On the other hand, the slavic word for 'work' is based on the root robota from which we derive the word ROBOT because of a Czech play from the 30's called "RUR" (Rossum's Universal Robots) by the great Karel Capek.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 10:07 PM

What fun, ambition or joy there was to be clebrated here is now undone. Adieu

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Genie
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 10:48 PM

In case you missed Sarah Palin on Oprah, here is a 30-sec. recap of what she told Oprah. ; D

Sarah Palin on Oprah: nutshell version

Not sure who put this together. I got it from Thom Hartmann and from Carl Wolfson and Christine Alexander, of the KPOJ 620 AM, Portland, OR Morning Show.

I think it sums up Ms. Sarah pretty nicely, don't you?


Genie

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Amos
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 11:27 PM

Genie:

Your link is mis-formed--it goes to "mypage" on YouTube (which is different for every user if they have a YouTube cookie). I think you need to get the link for a specific video.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Genie
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 11:32 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, Amos.

How's this?.

G

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 12:51 AM

Donuel, you were dead right when you wrote:


"There should be blazing headlines on a daily basis: ECONOMIC COUP IN THE WORLD's BANKS! TRILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS STOLEN!

Think about all the vital issues you care about and then think about the Trillions of dollars that were stolen. How could a small fraction of that money directly affect the issues you care about most? We need to make this connection, and we need to make the theft of Trillions of dollars THE LEAD ISSUE RIGHT NOW!"

Absolutely. It is the lead issue right now. The large bankers in the western world should in fact all be arrested for perpetrating a gigantic ponzi scheme on society, and that includes the so-called Federal Reserve in the USA. The Federal Reserve notes should be exchanged at a realistic rate for a complete new currency that is fully backed by reserves of precious metals...meaning gold and silver and fully redeemable in same upon demand. Otherwise it's not real money, it's just monopoly money, and it's in reality not even worth the paper it's printed on.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 01:10 AM

Oh, and the fractional reserve lending rules which allow banks to lend out 10 times the actual deposits their customers (meaning us) have put in them should be rescinded. There should be NO fractional reserve lending allowed at all by banks anywhere. They should only be allowed to lend out 1 dollar for every original dollar deposited into their accounts....and only once. At present, they end up doing it about 28 times at a 10 to 1 ratio, plus interest on top of that!

Real deposits of $100 x 10 loans of $100 each x 28 repeats of the same loaning cycle = a final total of $28,000 PLUS the interest created....and all of it came magically out of the original $100 in real deposits. The banks created it through creating debt. How long does that process take? Not too long. And that is why a $20 gold piece once bought one hell of a lot more in the USA or Canada than your $20 paper bill does now...because the money supply has been inflated about 280 or more times (plus the accrued interest) through lending it out over and over again and drawing interest on all those loans while inflating the currency.

To end that fractional reserve banking practice which is really a giant ponzi scheme would utterly change the present financial situation, and it would restore the value of our currency to something real with enduring and dependable value.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 08:46 AM

Now this is interesting.   LH and, it seems, every other reader of the thread can see clearly that, as I said, the top determinants of virtually every US presidential election--and certainly the 2012 one--are 1) war and 2) the economy. Only you, Greg, cannot see this. If we hazard a guess that this is not in fact due to a problem you might possibly have with such a tender, easily bruised ego that you cannot admit anybody else might be right-- even in stating an obvious truth-- then it's a total mystery why you cannot see this obvious truth. So when we reject your ego problem--perish the thought--as a possible answer to this question, we are completely stymied.

As the King of Siam said: T'is a puzzlement.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 09:40 AM

...we are completely stymied.

Ah, yes the Royal "we" - thus spake Emperor Simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:54 PM

The poster has learned how to type "ex cathedra". And is obviously impressed with this accomplishment, since he has done it 3 times just in this thread.   It's certainly true that he can, as they used to say, "increase your word power" by continuing to quote me.   Of course, that is, if he learns what the phrase actually means.

All he has to do now, it seems, is to learn to distinguish between an ex cathedra pronouncement and a political truism. My statement on the top factors in any US presidential election--certainly the one in 2012--is of course the latter, not the former.   But I have every confidence he can eventually learn this.



I read yesterday --Washington Post, I think---that the Fed predicts that in 2012 unemployment will still be about 7%.   Obviously it's pure speculation on anybody's part, but if this proves true, it means continuing misery for a lot of people. And a serious problem for a sitting president. We'll see what does happen.





At any rate, Happy Thanksgiving to anybody who celebrates it.   Yes, this includes you, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 01:15 PM

Most people don't even know what the phrase "ex cathedra" means...but one can, of course, look it up on the Net. Before I do, though, may I say, Ron, that I am so mightily impressed by your casual use of that phrase and your generally urbane and saucy wit that I would kneel down and kiss your lilywhite hand were I in a position to do so....

(Heh!)

(Just thought I'd add a little more cooking oil to the snide pot of prissy sarcastic mutual backbiting that is boiling away so pleasantly on this thread between you and Greg. Why should I leave you two to do it all alone?)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 01:41 PM

Ah gee, LH, ah didn't know you keered.   But welcome.   There's always room for another voice. By the way, do they have something similar to Thanksgiving in Canada?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 01:49 PM

Yes we do, Ron. But it's on a different date. Yours, I see by my calendar, is on November 26th. We had ours back on October 12th.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:07 PM

LH--what do you guys do for Pilgrims and Indians and the rest of the US mythology?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:52 PM

I'm trying to remember, Ron....

Hmm. Well, I'm not quite sure what stories get told to Canadian children about it. The "Pilgrim" thing isn't that big a deal up here, that's for sure. I think it's more just along the lines of a harvest festival, a way to enjoy the last reprieve of nice Autumn weather and all that late summer and fall fresh produce before winter comes in. We eat turkey, have a big meal, pumpkin or apple pie, and that sort of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:57 PM

Trying to remember the time in November....?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:11 AM

No, I mean I can't recall what we did back in Canadian Grade school about it. All that stuff kind of got overlayed by my later school experiences down in the USA from Grade 4 to the end of high school. I can hardly remember those first few years of school in Canada, aside from a few key incidents and some friends I had.

I do remember a brown-haired girl named Diane Powell. I was madly in love with her. She was an "older woman"...she was in Grade 4 and I was in Grade 3.