BS: Welcome back Boris

Subject: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 03:37 AM

And good ridance to red livingstone.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Newport Boy
Date: 05 May 12 - 04:34 AM

Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas! Londoners have no right to complain for the next 4 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: s&r
Date: 05 May 12 - 05:28 AM

There is a mischief about voting intentions that defies logic. John Sargeant was repeatedly voted for in Come Dancing. Electing Boris is as illogical: the only suitable opponent in these circumstances is Miss Piggy.

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: s&r
Date: 05 May 12 - 05:30 AM

PS John Sargeant had the grace to remove himself from the contest...

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Musket
Date: 05 May 12 - 07:04 AM

Of course, Livingstone has, as before, the honour of not being elected when his count was almost a million votes.

When you consider most politicians have a few thousand at best....

One interesting aspect is how political parties think all votes are based on their policies and performance. London Mayor election bucked the national trend to the effect that this truly had to be a personality vote.

It is bemusing to think that both Mayors have treated their domain in exactly the same way as GLC was run under Livingstone many years ago. So Cameron was congratulating Johnson on his interventionist almost socialist policies.

And they said irony is dead....

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 12 - 07:58 AM

Boris reminds me a bit of Michael Foot- all the huffing and puffing. An odd cove.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 05 May 12 - 08:38 AM

"Of course, Livingstone has, as before, the honour of not being elected when his count was almost a million votes.

When you consider most politicians have a few thousand at best...."

That's a bit stupid "most politicians" are elected in a smaller constiuency or ward. The Mayoral election was across whole of London! and Ken got LESS votes than Boris.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 05 May 12 - 08:45 AM

At the end of the day this is democracy and if you don't like it go and live in some other shithole - tough! What really defies logic is the people whinging about what was a fair democratic process. Whatever shit happens over the next 4 years and beyond will be mainly due to the state this country was left in by that Scottish wanker Brown who sold all our gold at rock-bottom price and gave what money that was left to his fellow Scottish banker scum!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Megan L
Date: 05 May 12 - 09:02 AM

Can we take it that you do not like the Scots then woodsie you sound such a pleasant person.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 09:27 AM

Certainly not brown!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 12 - 09:42 AM

Was intrigued with the idea that Johnson might just be the next Prime Minister - a lobotomised 'arrogant posh boy' at the helm - now that would really be telling it as it.
Was also intrigued to hear him shrugging off the idea with all the sincerity of a latter-day Richard III.
Funny old world!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 May 12 - 09:55 AM

I agree that the man was fairly elected after due process. But what I particularly dislike about him is his studied 'bumbling buffoon' persona. He likes to come across as a rather endearing, benign and harmless twit. My guess is he's nothing of the sort. My late old friend would have said, "Him? Woi, he's as cunning as a whool crate er monkeys, make nooo mistake!"

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 May 12 - 10:22 AM

Mmm... Before you get to triumphalist, Bonz, take a look at the wider local elections scene. Not too good for Cameron on the whole. One swallow doesn't make a summer, and one Boris doesn't make a trend.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 12 - 10:46 AM

should Boris be leading the party...? He effortlessly exudes that patrician/ Macmillan type style that Daily mail readers find so appealing. Like Thatcher, he understands the tory zeitgeist with every fibre of his being.

Whereas Cameron seems like last years model. He was Blair Mk2, to counter the Labour/Rank Charm School approach.

It would be funny - if it were the script of a comedy film. As the propective leaders of a great nation - its bloody tragic.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 10:54 AM

Not half so tragic as if (perish the thought) the lisping fool ever became PM.

Not half so tragic as the 13 years of total labour bumbledom!

Still better the "arrogant posh boy" as you put it than the "arrogant oik".

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 05 May 12 - 11:49 AM

There you go! just because Brown & Goodwin happen to be both wankers and scottish and I hate them both deeply. You assume that I don't like scottish people. YesI am a pleasant person Megan and will not pre-judge a person because of a post on this forum!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 11:59 AM

I can't quite get to grips with this "posh" business. Is it that someone who speaks properly is posh, or do your sort regard speaking badly as being normal?

There were two young men mumbling something about one pound and a bowl at a fruit stall in Croydon's Surrey Street Market this afternoon - I suggested that their way of speaking would be excellent for playing Bill & Benn the Flowerpot Men!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Gavin Paterson
Date: 05 May 12 - 12:07 PM

Woodsie. Nationality is nothing to do with it. Wanker.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 May 12 - 12:30 PM

From:Jorrox - PM
Date: 05 May 12 - 12:07 PM

Woodsie. Nationality is nothing to do with it. Wanker.
I believe 'Woodsie' was responding to the comment:
Can we take it that you do not like the Scots then woodsie you sound such a pleasant person.
The fact that Woodsie had referred to Scottish wanker Brown was (presumably) to narrow the search down amongst other wankers named Brown.
Describing Gordon Brown as Scottish is quite accurate. Describing him as an Onanist is a matter of personal opinion.

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 12 - 12:52 PM

not sure who the lisping fool is. when you try to talk with you Bonzo - its a bit difficult cos all you get is dumb right abuse.

abuse isn't conversation or very interesting comment.

for people not in some government sinecure - the tories are a black hole of minimalist laissez faire government. Huge unemployment figures and the infrastructure goes to hell cos theres no tax coming in.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 01:27 PM

lisping fool = ed miliband

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 May 12 - 01:42 PM

Oy! Don't stereotype please, Big Al. I read the Daily Mail and I don't find Boris amusing, pleasing or appealing as any kind of leader or representative. Some of us oldies read the Daily Mail mainly for the puzzles and crossword (simple souls that we are) It doesn't mean that we are rampant Fascists. And reading Bonzo's posts on this thread, I don't see anything abusive. His comments seem interesting to me, it wasn't he who used the word w*****, was it?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 01:54 PM

Thankyou Eliza, I would like to get to the bottom of this word "posh" - often used by socialists.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 12 - 01:59 PM

'I read the Daily Mail and I don't find Boris amusing, pleasing or appealing as any kind of leader or representative'

poor Boris. He seems a decent enough chap to me. all those people voted for him. he must have something.

But the Daily Mail. No. I get it for the free dvds occasionally. But I really can't stand to have the bloody thing in the house.

When I bought my Fostex eight track tape recorder in the 1980's. I said to this uncle of mine - who'd been an engineer all his life - you know Fostex took a team of a thousand design engineers like yourself to create this machine. When has England - even in wartime put together a team like that. Les ( a tory all his life, and his wife a tory councillor) said - England never has - that's why we're in the shit.

The Daily Mail stands for the right of rich posh gits never to invest in this country but to have the best this country has to offer. And it seees any little thing that working class people get their mits on as unforgiveable and unpatriotic.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 12 - 02:10 PM

"Still better the "arrogant posh boy" as you put it than the "arrogant oik"."
Why favour one (admitted) arrogant prick over another - lack of speech impediment maybe - obviously a problem with you - along with blacks and lesbians, I seem to remember?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 03:28 PM

Jim Carroll the accuser again!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 12 - 03:37 PM

"Jim Carroll the accuser again"
What moi??
Don't get me wrong Bozo - I'm not knocking.
I think we oiks are damned lucky really - on the one hand we've got Boris as an example of the intellect that goes into the making of a Tory, on the other, we have you as a reminder of its compassionate face.
Keep up the good work - it really is appreciated.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 May 12 - 03:53 PM

Not really a very impressive series of exchanges. Why do people feel they want to join in this pathetic kind of substitute for a discussion?

Personal abuse on the internet is really just a form of self abuse, but carried out in public.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 03:54 PM

I sure do appreciate your appreciation I really do here and now!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 12 - 05:05 PM

Boris must be quite bright. Didn't he edit The Economist, or something like that?

Having said that he does a pretty good impersonation of a complete dick. I think there must be a lot more to him than meets the eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 May 12 - 05:07 PM

I think so too, Big Al. I also happen to think he's very very funny in a strange way. My husband can't get enough of him on TV, he laughs like a drain whenever he apears!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 May 12 - 05:08 PM

appears

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Penny S.
Date: 05 May 12 - 05:50 PM

posh = people who think it's OK to go into someone's business premises and trash it because they can pay for the damage afterwards? (And I know someone who directly knows a restaurateur that happened to in Oxford.) And it's OK because they talk proper?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 12 - 06:03 PM

Well then that is very stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Penny S.
Date: 05 May 12 - 06:14 PM

And Boris and David and George all belonged to the club that did it. Obviously I can't say who was or was not involved in any particular activity of that club, but they thought it was OK to belong. It was not exactly a one-off.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Les from Hull
Date: 05 May 12 - 06:26 PM

That's a reference to the Bullingdon Club at Oxford, members of which also include our current PM and Chancellor. Similar behaviour by less privileged people would no doubt result in police action, fines and/or imprisonment. I say privileged because as undergraduates they would have had little time to earn the money they pay off the restaurant damages. But that's how the class system works. Good manners are not obligatory.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 May 12 - 06:43 PM

Having said that - didn't we all do daft things when we were young?

Some people keep doing it into old age - like buying the Daily mail!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:21 AM

Penny~~ Point taken; but from the semantic pov, can't help thinking you have overdefined the word 'posh' ···

Not but what it is one of those silly, imprecise, overused words, always with an overtone hostility - or at least irony; or else inaccuracy, as when applied to the future Mrs Beckham in her Spice Girls days; she was not the least bit posh in any sense, but was just taller & dressed a bit neater & looked a bit haughtier than the other girls.

Silly: as this word always is.

---

Remember the old joke; two girls with Welsh accents:

-"Have you heard about Megan? Getting married she is."

"Is she pregnant?"

"No."

"Oh! There is posh!"

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 May 12 - 03:33 AM

and don't forget bongo3legs, it was a tory MP who described ' call me Dave ' Cameron and Boy George Osborne ' as arrogant posh boys '

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 03:40 AM

There you go! According to my dear departed mum in law - an arch Anglo Argentine, posh is from Port Out Starboard Home, all to do with trans-atlantic crossings - 1st class naturally!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 03:53 AM

It was a tory MP OK, DaveH; but one who appears to have the enviable distinction of being about the most stupidly aggressive selfrighteous {& arrogant} booby in the entire history of the Universe...

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:10 AM

I would suggest that the word 'posh' indicates someone who, through birth and inherited wealth, has been and remains insulated from any concerns regarding maintenance of living standards and who is welcome in the sort of elite groups which develop in any society and which are in this society based upon class structures. To be posh in that sense could make it hard to empathise with the lot of the ordinary person.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Michael J
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:51 AM

Posh meaning Port Out Starboard Home seems to be a myth:
http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/posh.asp

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 06 May 12 - 05:02 AM

Eight million people, and they have to choose between Boris and Ken! Were they really the cream of the crop? That Hugh Paddick, who got a few votes, was splendid opposite Kenneth Williams in'Round the Horne' - I'd have voted for him.

Incidentally, 'Port Out Starboard Home': not true.

And Mrs Beckham said she got the name 'Posh' because she was delivered to school in a Rolls Royce.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 06 May 12 - 05:47 AM

"I believe 'Woodsie' was responding to the comment:" The comment was in response to his original short post describing "Scottish wanker" and fellow "Scottish banker scum" so it is not surprising that someone questions his prejudices. Woodsie has since come back and explained that he is not anti-Scottish so I take that as being so. It is a case of if folk don't want to give the wrong impression then watch what you type. It works the other way too. If a Scot were to describe George Osbourne as a bastard then the worst he can be accused of is perhaps of using crude language - but if he calls him an English bastard then one would start to wonder if he was anti-English.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 07:38 AM

Usual chips on shoulders I see!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:02 AM

Just use of language rather than chips on shoulders! As I said if I described Boris Johnston and George Osbourne as bastards then people might think I am anti-Tory. If I described them as English bastards then people may also think I am also anti-English. As i'm not, and as I wouldn't wish to give that impression, then I wouldn't describe them in that way. Seems common sense to me. Megan seems to have got the impression that the poster has an issue with Scots and because of the use of language in the original post it is easy to see why she came to that conclusion! I've alreay said if he says he hasn't then he hasn't. But it just goes to show how the language you choose to use can give a fale impression.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:06 AM

Absolutely!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:13 AM

"Incidentally, 'Port Out Starboard Home': not true."

From A Dictionary of Slang and Cant Barrere and Leland 1890
Jim Carroll

Posh (society), modern term for money, originally used for a halfpenny of small coin, From the gypsy pash or posh, a half. In Romany poshero, the affix ero being corrupted from haro, copper, i.e., a copper or a penny. Posh an' posh, half and half, applied to those who are of mixed blood, or half gypsy. Also a dandy.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:48 AM

i'm not defending any labour politician who voted for illegal war (never mind the pointless tinkering around with vicious global capitalism) ..but...gordon brown? a smart guy and very conscientious but clearly lacking in the presentational skills that seem to come easily to posh boys and PR liars. (we all know what 'posh' means by the way.) had GB not bailed out the banks then would capitalism have collapsed in this country? i feel it was wrong to do it but would have expected the fans of capitalism would have been grateful. as it is, all GB ever got was abuse -some of it extremely nasty. i recall plenty of complaints a few years back there were too many scots in the cabinet - if the same people are not now complaining that there are too many people from the same class at eton in the cabinet-it's a fair bet they are anti-scottish. and fair enough-scots have no time for thatcherite posh boys or their brain dead and compassion free supporters. daily mail, sun or telegraph? - by all means buy these papers for the crossword or sport (other newspapers do have these things too, you know) but know if you are seen buying them north of watford then many people assume you are posh tories who share the prejudices of these nasty organs.