BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)

Subject: BS: The next big thing
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 04:20 PM

While in the next 3 weeks there will be a grasshopper plague coming to the West ( I saw the last one 21 years ago in Denver and it was awesome with cars skidding out of control as if on ice instead of Grasshoppers)...

the next big thing will be a Cyber War. We have already had practice attacks committed on the US and by the US but the next attack will make a hurricane like Katrina look tame.

Based on the book by Richard Clark 'Cyber War' the black outs in NYC at rush hour followed by London and Rome was much like an underground test of a nuke. The current US strategy is defend the Pentagon but leave everyone else sink or swim. Leaving the utility companies to fend for themselves is a fatal flaw in the Pentagon;s thinking.

A worldwide cyber attack is designed to look like someone else did it and takes about 5 seconds from satrt to end. The damage would be beyond imagination. Perhaps you saw the Bruce Willis version of a Cyber War but the real thing is beyond the scope of any of those screen writers.

Richard Clark was on npr's Fresh Air today and spoke of things that have already happened, by way of cyber war preperations, that were chilling.

This was the most compelling interview I have heard in months.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 04:34 PM

Sooner or later one of your doomsday predictions will come true, Donuel, and then you can say "I told you so."

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:04 PM

As long as it is confined to Washington and New York, who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:19 PM

My father, who was a Western Union lineman saw, in the 30s, grasshoppers so numerous that the little motor-cars they rode on could not get traction on the rails.

Will *I* see cyber attack on a grand scale? I wouldn't bet against it.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:16 PM

This grasshopper?
http://www.mesavsuslan.com/funny-pictures-evolution-type-grasshopper/

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: MarkS
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:22 PM

Donuels fear is real. Just think of the results if the electric grid was knocked off, and anything with a microchip in it is toasted.
Enough electromagnetic pulse (EMP) could do this - all it takes is a series of nukes detonated at high altitude.
The blasts would be high enough that there would be no damage from blast or radiation, but we all would shortly be back to the technology level of 1850.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:28 PM

What has come true Sins, I have already said I told you so. Not you personally, but to myself sometimes with joy and sometimes regret.
I regret that foreseen events will have to play out to their worst conslusions before the creative human hand takes the tiller.

The unregulated short term profiteering of Wall St. causing a worldwide melt down has come true.

My 16 year old cosmological musings of a multiverse in multi dimensions is now practicly part of pop culture.

The Goldman Sachs scams are finally coming to light have come true.

The loss of the Iraq war that I predicted 9 years ago has come true by the very reasons I delineated.

When it comes to the big things and the big picture I have a pretty firm grasp of large complexities, the little things like not mixing reds with whites in the washer still elude me.

The big things coming down the line are not so much prophesized, as some lunes call it , so much as it is that some things don't change and will certainly repeat with or without awareness.

BIll, have you heard the Diane Rheme Show on Chemtrails yet?
Don't bother.

As a kid the grasshopper plague was great fun as I used to steer the various platoons and battalions of grasshoppers in empty lots.
Believe me, grasshopper guts are slippery as hell on the roads.
In Michigan one rainy summer night I saw cars skid off the road due to a mass hatching of frogs that were crossing a road.
The only thing I didn't like about the hoppers was that black goo they would spit.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM

Doomsday? FEAR? WTF is up with you guys these days?

I couldn't give a flying flick. Like George Carlin I enjoy the catastrophes. The problem is, the really big ones won't be televised.

btw my father in law invented the nickel compound that limited data loss from EMP but that would not apply to power grid cyber attacks/

Anyway the Richard Clark interview was really the most compelling speech I have heard in over 100 days.
Remember this is the same guy who said Al Qada is planning a mass attack on US soil and was ignored by the Bush administration. He and his wife were also the ones who came between the Dick Cheney version of Iraq WMD's and the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:40 PM

MarkS... Enough electromagnetic pulse (EMP) could do this - all it takes is a series of nukes detonated at high altitude.

Ya don`t need nukes. Conventional explosives properly detonated can work. I have no direct knowlege or proof, but my old man was an expert in the RCAF in such studies and that is what he told me.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: MarkS
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:00 PM

Right enough. All it takes is a big enough boom.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: bobad
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:05 PM

He cleared up one of the mysteries of Israel's bombing of Syria's nuclear bomb plant. Apparently the reason the Israeli air force, using very unstealthy 1970s technology fighter-bombers were undetected by Syria's vast array of high tech radars (which should have lit up like Christmas trees) was because the computers running the radars were hacked into and showed absolutely nothing was happening in the air.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:10 PM

After the Hu arrest, the Aussie company he worked for was heavily attacked from Chinese sources - the Aussie govt tried to keep it secret, so as not to upset the Chinese Govt....

I'm not making this up...

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:26 PM

Cyber wars have been played and guarded against for years. The Richard Clarke interview does not say quite what is quoted above.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 04:00 PM

CHina has cyber attacked the US many times. Clark alledges that China looked over North Korea's shoulder during one such cyber attack. Making it look ike another country is respondsible is one of the main camoflage techniques.

One of the most interesting facts presented was that when US Banks asked Microsoft to allow them to view the MS operating code so they might guard against back doors more effectively, Microsoft said NO.
But when China demanded the code with the threat of not buying Microsoft operating systems, good ol greedy Bill Gates said "YES you may have it all". and they got it.

The Pentagon has about 1000 people in their 'Cyber Control' unit.

If only Apple had struck a deal with the US Federal Goverment, we would be 99% more secure. Instead Apple walked out over a proprioetary dispute and lost a 60 billion dollar contract to Gates fast and dirty Windows OS.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 05:56 PM

I'm curious- do you have documentation for that libelous statement, Donuel?

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 06:06 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/

Program - Chinese Whispers

It won't recognise my versions of the widgets needed to play the video.

The Chinese allegedly have over 50,000 hackers in their Internet Attack Unit...

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 06:48 PM

Robin, is that link supposed to give credence to Donuel's charge that "when US Banks asked Microsoft to allow them to view the MS operating code so they might guard against back doors more effectively, Microsoft said NO. But when China demanded the code with the threat of not buying Microsoft operating systems, good ol greedy Bill Gates said "YES you may have it all". and they got it." ? Because if it is, I would appreciate a more direct link.

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:31 PM

I don't have all the hacking or technical expertise but I'd like to watch the catastrophe as Carlin wanted to do. I have been working on the EMP idea however with some monstrous farts. I'm trying for just the right combination to produce the booming desired result.

Tonight I had prodigious quantities of cauliflower and broccoli with a side of beans after having bratwurst and kraut for lunch. I downed a quart of milk for good measure and I'm having a pint of pinto beans with some Brussell sprouts for a snack later.

Hopefully tomorrow will produce an EMP enabling fart and not projectile diarrhea.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The next big thing (Cyberwar)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:37 PM

"is that link supposed to give credence to Donuel's charge"

God knows, depending on just what conspiracy theories one believes in, it could be twisted for that! :-)

It was just my intent to refer to what I posted above that - at Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:10 PM - at least that's MY excuse! :-)