Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs

Subject: Origins
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 04:26 PM

Can anyone help with information on the origins of the following songs ? Author and composer would be nice.

The Spinning wheel
The Dawning of the Day (not Patrick Cavanaughs words)
The Foggy Dew
The Town of Galway
The Gentle Maiden
Sliabh na mon

Subject: RE: BS: Origins
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 04:31 PM

All written by Mr. Trad I think

If you need more, why not use a search engine such as Google of go ask in a library?

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Nathan in Texas
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:02 PM

Not sure if this is the one you're requesting, but "The Old Spinning Wheel" was written by Billy Hill. 1934 I believe.

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:27 PM

Annroai, is that "The Foggy Dew", an Irish revolutionary song, or "The Foggy Foggy Dew" about a weaver pining for his lost love? They are two very different songs. If you enter song titles or fairly unique words from the songs in the box on the first page of the Mudcat Forum, under where it says Digitrad and Forum Search, you will pull up both the songs themselves (if in the data base), which may have authors cited, and the text of previous discussions on them. Also, your request may attract the attention of one of the several golden-hearted souls that hang out here that love to do this kind of research. Ignore the crumudgeons.

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:39 PM

There are also other Irish Foggy Dews which are simple love songs; these too have been explored in some detail in previous discussions. Some judicious use of the search facilities here, will, as artbrooks says, probably find you most of what you want to know; but you will need some patience in exploring. If you want quick answers, then you need to give a bit more information so that we know which songs you mean; there are often several quite different ones with the same or similar titles.

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:40 PM

Sliabh na mBan- see thread 906: Slievnamon

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:44 PM

"Farewell to Galway?? Galway

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:46 PM

?Galway Galway

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:49 PM

All are in the DT and Forum search; for Gentle maiden see Maiden

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 05:55 PM

Put foggy dew in the Digitrad and Forum Search. All sorts of stuff there, both in the DT and in the Forum threads.
Annraoi, haven't you been to Mudcat before? With the exception of a few mis-named and badly indexed songs, most of the songs even remotely "trad" are here.

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 06:56 PM

Annaraoi, I see some of the links include the origin info you are looking for, but not all. You would probably have more success, first in searching, as artbrooks suggests, then, if you still don't find the origins info, starting a thread for each song's background, with the song title and the word "origin" in the thread title. Nice to see you, again.

All the best,

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 02 - 07:18 PM

I would suggest that it's best to add to an existing thread on a song, rather than starting a new "origin" thread. Maybe put "origin" in the title of your message in that thread. When we have ten threads on a single song, information gets lost or duplicated.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: toadfrog
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 01:39 AM

There are lots of songs with spinning wheels in them. I think this is the one you have in mind. THE SPINNING WHEEL

I can't find an earlier thread on its origins. McColl says: A version of this fine song is to be found in the 'Tea-Table Miscellany' but, as with many of the wongs reworked by Ramsey, it has a somewhat artificial flavour. The version given here was learned from Betsy Henry of Auchterarder."

The traditional balad index provides

this link, which doesn't seem all that helpful.

I can find nothing whatever on line on the song.

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Kaleea
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 01:59 AM

Uh, not to beat a dead thread, but did we ever establish the origins of "Carrikfergus"?

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 02:07 AM

"The Spinning Wheel" I have in mind is THIS SONG. There's a video clip at Path of Heroes: Helen Creighton (Click on "video").

~Masato

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 04:06 AM

A version of the song Masato gave a click on to, above, was sung by Delia Murphy, c 1960, on Capitol LP T10124.

Another "Spinning Wheel" that's been around since about 1690 (both as reprints of the broadside and as a traditional song) can be located in the broadside ballad index at www.erols.com/olsonw. Look for ZN230 or (Roud #) ZR4255. Betsy Miller (Ewan MacColl's mother) sang this latter "Spinning Wheel" on a Folk Lyric recording, c 1960

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From:
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 06:16 AM

Kaleea, I'm not absolutely sure, even upon re-reading it, but here's the thread on the Origins of CarrickFergus

Subject: RE: Origins: Dawning of the Day
From:
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 06:30 AM

Annraoi,

I've looked and don't see much discussion on Dawning of the Day. However, you mentioned a different version. There are two in the DT. I also located two off-site which you might want to look at as well:

Dawning of the Day
Dawning of the Day (2)
Dawning of the Day - Contemplator site
Dawning of the Day / Fainne Geal an Lae - Ingeb/Volkslieder Site

Subject: RE: Origins of---Info Request-Several Songs
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 01:18 PM

New thread 48816 on "Dawning of the Day:" Dawning of the Day
Lyrics traced to 18C and tune as old or older.