BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!

Subject: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: harpgirl
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:51 PM

This news outraged me: I'm not sure why I was so affected but I think it's time to either nuke the bastards or GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ!!!!!
Iraqui kidnapping

love, harpgirl

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:47 PM

One newspaper - Chinese I think - off of Google says 'Irish Archbishop ...kidnaped'

But OC that is wrong, I hope they free him soon!

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:39 PM

Yeah, when we told the Bushites here in the Catbox that Bush's invading Iraq was going to bring about a terribly destabilized region they never bothered the provide any serious rebutals...

And they still can't...

Purdy screwed up...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:11 AM

He has been left free one day later.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 12:31 PM

A guerrilla war puts everyone in danger. Everyone. When that guerilla war is the result of a foreign aggressor invasion of a small country for completely spurious reasons, I see no reason why specific isolated acts of violence by local guerillas justify further abusing that battered country and its largely innocent people by "nuking" it.

The answer is to do what the Nazis were forced to do at the point of the gun, and get the hell out of that invaded country where America has no business being in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:23 PM

"nuke the bastards" - now that really would help wouldn't it? Up in a mushroom cloud goes the Archbiship and the rest of civilian population, Christian or Muslim. Serve them right for havinbg the nerve to live in a country we decided to invade.

Actually this kidnap sounds as if it was carried with ransom in mind rather than anything particularly to do with politics. That kind of commercial activity has boomed since the occupation.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:27 PM

An Archbishop and a bunch of terrorsts?

Sounds like they're made for each other...

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Bert
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:32 PM

Why should an Archbishop be of more concern than any one of the other thousands of people killed?

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 04:04 PM

harpgirl:

I think more properly FIRST get out of Iraq, THEN nuke 'em.

One must observe the proprieties...

your loyal fan

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: harpgirl
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 07:42 PM

Sorry, that wasn't me! One of my obstreperous guests commandeered the computer and posed as me...someone who knows me well.

I am glad the Archbishop was released. Perhaps the Iraquis understand the holiness of our clerics. But I don't htink we understand the holiness of theirs......

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 08:30 PM

Harpie, you have guests that sign the post "love, harpgirl"? I think I would never let them back in my house.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:43 PM

Mick,

Perhaps it was a request, with bad punctuation?

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: DougR
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 11:27 PM

"A foreign agressor with spurious reasons." L. H., sometimes you astound me. Don't get carried away, though, because it is not often.

You, and many others here on this forum said there could not be free elections in Afghanstan (those people could NEVER govern themseves). When the elections are held in Iraq, and millions of Iraqi votes are tallied, you probably will still be decrying, "It cannot happen!" What you should be saying is, "I hope it doesn't happen because then, I will be proven wrong.

There is no other way to say it other than, you, L.H., and the majority of posters here on the Mudcat, would prefer to see Saddam back in power, the Iraqi people subjected to his cruelty, thousands of Iraqis buried in mass graves, and the rape rooms reinstated.

How sad, I say. Particulary since you view yoursleves as liberal, progressive humanists.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 03:18 AM

I don't think that's a fair assessment, Doug. I don't think I've seen a single suggestion that any Mudcatter would want to see Saddam back in power. We just wish he had been removed in a peaceful way. Now that the deed is done, I don't think anybody has come up with a workable way to get us out of the mess we made for ourselves.

The Christians on Iraq are having a tough time of it, and it's not like they're outsiders horning in on Muslim territory. The Chaldean Church is an ancient Christian rite, centered in Iraq since the first century. There's an interesting piece on the Chaldean Church here (click). The Chaldeans have their own patriarch, but are in communion with the Roman Catholics. Only three percent of Iraquis are Christian, but ten percent of the population of Baghdad is Christian.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 07:39 AM

Doug, sometimes your logic defies any semblance of intellect. I particularly object to the way that you use parenthetics. Example:

those people could NEVER govern themseves

No one here ever said that. In fact I am not sure that anyone said there could never be free elections. Further, no one here said they would want Saddam back in power. Your insistence on blind "patriotism" to support a policy that was based on falsehoods, is failing daily, and it accomplishing none of its stated objectives amazes me. You allow this guy to revise history at every turn.


Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 12:14 PM

Anyone can invade a country, smash it up, take it over, then hold "free elections", Doug. It's easy. You just decide ahead of time who the bad guys are, and kill them all or drive them underground. You then arrange for a few arbitrary (and probably bogus) parties to be set up with straw man candidates (people not on your hit list), and you hold your silly "free elections". Nothing changes. The Germans could have done it anytime they decided to in occupied France in WWII. They didn't, because their political situation did not rest on the same facile assumptions as does yours. But...if their public had needed the phony sop of a "free election" in France to make everything look copacetic, then I'm sure they would have had one. And nothing would have changed. The German Army would still have been running the show...with the approval of the "freely elected" French stooges that won the election.

"Democracy" as it's called in the USA when they export it to conquered lands, is window-dressing, Doug. It's a sham. A joke.    It's an outer appearance covering over a colonial occupation. Afghanistan is not free, it's occupied. Iraq is not free. It's occupied. Iraq will never be free due to the idiotic machinations of the Bush administration. It wasn't free before Bush invaded, it isn't free now, and it probably won't be free after the USA leaves either.

An election in Iraq is a outward show designed to fool gullible people in America who think at the level of Dick and Jane books when it comes to facing reality. It sure as hell isn't fooling anyone else.

You live in the country, Doug, that is under the false impression that it INVENTED freedom. Sorry, but that just isn't so.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 02:25 PM

"Saddam back in power, the Iraqi people subjected to his cruelty, thousands of Iraqis buried in mass graves, and the rape rooms reinstated."

Instead of which we have one of Saddam's former colleages, not exactly in power, but in office as President, the Iraqi people subject to whatever is decided should be done to them, thousands of Iraqis buried in all kinds of graves, and the torture rooms reinstated, with rape evidently on the agenda as and when required.

We'll see what happens in the elections. Perhaps in spite of everything a democratic government will emerge, in which case it will probably be demanding an immediate end to the occupation, and calling for reparations.

I have my doubts as to whether that will be allowed to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 03:15 PM

Any Iraqi government that truly represented the will of the Iraqi people would be utterly unacceptable to the USA. Therefore, it is not in the interests of the USA to establish a real democracy in Iraq, and they certainly will not do so. The USA doesn't even itself have a real democracy. It has a corporate $ySStem that rules through the mechanism of two phony political parties that are bought and paid for before anyone ever even gets a chance to vote them in.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq!!!
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 01:36 AM

I do not have any reliable sources at present but it is being whispered that the end product of the U.S. invasion of Iraq has never been democracy. Some say Bush actually wants civil war in Iraq. If he wants civil war, he will probably get it.

Will someone please tell me why Bush wants civil war in Iraq?