BS: Observations of the Democratic Convention

Subject: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 09:45 PM

No one eye can see all.


First of all Ted Kennedy has never looked so much like Phil Donahue.
He is as vibrant and powerful as ever.

Obama's sister was a wonderful beautiful and comapassionate woman.

Jesse Jr. made a good Mountain top reference in his remarks about MLK looking forward to this moment.

PBS HD has the best coverage and camera work without the 8 second delay of all the other channels.

FOX is doing a non stop smear job decrying the attacks on poor Cindy McCain and the American Dream. Yet Democrats are still going to be interviewed by Bill O'REilly. I just saw Leon Podesta speak to him.

President Carter had a nasty eye infection but was infectious with the spirit of an elated warrior.

On a pithy note, the average delegate is rather poorly dressed.
There are a lot of knit shirts 2 sizes to small with a dunlap over the belt.
We will have to wait for the Republican convention to see everyone's Sunday best.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 10:10 PM

It has been inspiring and terrific, so far. I wrote a bit on the other DNC/Code of the West thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Genie
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:22 PM

One thing we should not overlook: Fox News (reportedly by random choice) got the exclusive rights to the "primary video feed" for the Democratic Convention.
That means that, no matter what channel you see video footage on, it is the footage that Fox - in their infinite and oh-so-fair-and-unbalanced judgment - deigned to shoot and make available in the first place.
That means that when you see a bizarre-looking or ugly or bored-looking or frowning person on camera while Barack or Michelle or Nancy P or Hillary C or Joe Biden or whoever is speaking, it was Fox News that chose to capture that image instead of any of the other possible camera shots.

Methinks I've already seen a few choice examples of this "selective camera usage" tonight.

G

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,guest, cigilteach
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:34 PM

G, yes, me too. I'm insane so I flipped to compare images between channels. And fow was grabbing phrases while she spoke and putting underneath on that annoy frame - they couldn't even wait until after the speech. Words like "Obama: America should be a place to..." "Barack is the same man I met 19 years ago." Watch the twists they on those phrases, among others.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:40 PM

CSPAN was not dictated to by FOX. It was excellent coverage, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Genie
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:06 AM

Kat, I hope you are right.   Of course, a lot of us don't have cable, so we're stuck with ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and PBS - all of which get their feed from Fox.

I'm not sure if C-Span is exempt. I'd love to know that they are.   But having only broadcast TV myself and now watching the PBS coverage, I'm already dismayed at how much of the convention is NOT being shown on the "mainstream" channels (e.g., Jimmy Carter, Martin Luther King III, Barack Obama's sister, etc.).

BTW, I thought Michelle Obama was wonderful!!

But on PBS, alongside the "left-leaning" commentator what's-his-name, I was appalled to hear the guy on the other side pushing the meme that the Dems really needed to make the issue not so much Republicans (over the pas 8 years) v. Democrats as "about Barack Obama!"
HELLO!!!   IMO this election is about sooooo much more than Barack Obama! It should be and NEEDS to be mainly a referendum on how the modern US Republican Party (with it's record-setting filibusters) has trashed and shattered our own US Constitution and all-too-successfully set out to destroy government programs so they could claim "government can't do anything right" and proceed to unravel the best of the government programs of the New Deal.

Much as I admire and support Barack Obama, I do not believe this upcoming election is or should be "about" him.   It's about seeing a train about to run full speed off a cliff and doing our damnest to stop that and get the engine back on the right track.

Genie

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:25 AM

Interesting evening, pretty much what one expects. Trying to reach out to and soften up the hard-headed under-educated Democrats who can't stomach voting for Obama for idiotic racist or fundamentalist reasons. The DNC folks stressed humanity, family tonight. Michelle speaks very well.

Remind me again, how on earth did those same voters they're trying to reach listen to that dufus Dubya and then decide he had the intellect to run the U.S.?

What an uphill struggle ahead. If it really is coming close to a tie again, as some polls seem to indicate, then the voters to be swayed are these under-achieving non-thinkers between the parties who voted for Bush--twice. It's late--and I've had two political "survey" calls this evening, so my view is no doubt jaundiced. I'm sick to death of politics. Too bad the election isn't tomorrow.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:36 AM

Well, Genie, I flipped back and forth between our PBS and Cspan and stopped doing that to watch Cspan as it was pure, raw coverage without the talking heads, etc. I didn't see a lot of panning during the speeches, in fact I saw each speaker in full. You can, too, over at the Cspan website.:-)

Highlights for me were the Carters, who did not speak on stage, btw, they just walked across and waved after the video of him on New Orleans was shown, and Ted Kennedy. I have so much respect for them all. I was in tears most of this evening watching and feeling proud of the people of Colorado and Dems from all over.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Miner633
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:52 AM

I see a couple of uninvited guests just been arrested close to the centre, one had a rifle. Doubt they were looking autographs.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 06:33 AM

Genie - you wrote:

"Much as I admire and support Barack Obama, I do not believe this upcoming election is or should be "about" him.   It's about seeing a train about to run full speed off a cliff and doing our damnest to stop that and get the engine back on the right track."

You are absolutely right in what you say about the importance of this election, but I have to disagree with you in one respect.

To prevent the nightmare of which you speak, it is essential that the party gets behind him and gives him all the support they can muster.

If it is true that he and McCain are neck and neck, then he needs an extra push to stand out as the best candidate.

Most people vote for personalities not policies and will go with their impressions of people rather than an informed assessment of a candidates history.

McCain seems sincere sensible and patriotic despite the evidence clearly pointing to a quite different reality.

To stop him the democratic party need to sell Obama-Cola like never before.

Once people have developed a taste for it then you can tell them what's in it and why its better for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: M.Ted
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 07:38 AM

The presidential election isn't about issues, it is about deciding who will deal with the issues. We forget this at our peril.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 07:52 AM

"That means that when you see a bizarre-looking or ugly or bored-looking or frowning person on camera while Barack or Michelle or Nancy P or Hillary C or Joe Biden or whoever is speaking, it was Fox News that chose to capture that image instead of any of the other possible camera shots."



                     Are you sure that isn't just the way they are?

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 08:02 AM

rig says the darnedest things!

There are 20,000 people in the hall. Its called editing.

I've been watching the live streaming coverage on MSNBC.com. I don't know if it is Fox feed, but it looks, from the shots selected, as though the attendance at the convention is about 70 percent African American and the rest are poorly dressed middle aged white folks who can't dance.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 08:32 AM

Hmmm that might explain the many unflattering camera shots.
Yes they do portray a skewed black segment of the audience exclusively. What I thought was a pithy fashion comment turns out to be an intentional trick by FOX.

Fox also has Karl Rove talking over the proceedings.
They covered a handfull of people chanting 'Obama is a baby killer' until the (possibly hired) crew got tired.

They did a big segment how their camera man was attacked by Democrats. What was shown was a guy standing with his hands behind his back barring a FOX reporter from interviewing Professor Churchill who did not want to speak to FOX. (the fired Denver teacher for saying 9-11 was an inside job) Even when the FOX reporter tried jumping off the side of stone stairs to get at the teacher, some polite people stood in line preventing the FOX reporter from falling 10 feet.

Fox controling the camera is significant. The moment of the kids choir was spoiled by camera work and poor sound.

Also come to think of it when Pelosi first began the Convention she had a dead microphone for the first 2 minutes.

How could FOX be allowed to control this event?

I will check out CSPAN tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 08:33 AM

The Michelle Obama and Kennedy segments were superbly done and moving. The Roselyn and Jimmy thing was also very well done.

So far so good.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 08:49 AM

That is true Jack. But that was mostly shots of Arnold's wife with a tear in her eye.

Another thing I noticed was the inordinate amount of time the camera shows empty seats and the impression of few people moving about.
The empty seats are behind the podium.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:06 AM

One of those empty seats is mine (not that I was invited to attend). There will be another at the RNC, too.

The Conventions no longer choose the candidate; they provide a circus. Like the Olympics, I used to watch them.

Instead, I'll study what the candidates say (using, for instance, "Facts On File"), look at their records, and vote for whomever I feel is best.

Sorry to be such a radical.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:54 AM

Senator Kennedy was inspirational for me personally. The fact that he made there at all with all he has been through. Then to give a rousing heartfelt speech in which he promised to be on the floor of the senate in January. It brought tears to my eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Amos
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 10:16 AM

Circuses aren't all that bad. As long as there is also bread, who could complain?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 10:22 AM

I tuned in early so I could watch ALL the speeches starting with the uncle of the sister-in-law of Obama's fifth cousin, twice removed. It was stirring. Thrilling. Gave me a boner.

Actually what I saw and the news coverage as well has looked good but the "We're all down home family" thing is already wearing thin. They made the point now move on.....so to speak.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 10:36 AM

"That means that, no matter what channel you see video footage on, it is the footage that Fox - in their infinite and oh-so-fair-and-unbalanced judgment - deigned to shoot and make available in the first place. "

As much as I would love to point a finger at FOX, their control of the cameras is not as exclusive as some people seem to think. They do provide a "pool" service, an arrangement between the networks that has been around for decades. Instead of having several networks trying to install numerous cameras, one network installs cameras (at positions agreed upon by all)and the pool feed as well as individual camera angles are made available to the press. Each network decides what cameras to take to broadcast. In addition, each network augments the feed with their own.   The microphones on the podium are usually installed by the DNC and the technical issues in Denver have been effecting a number operations.

I've been to a couple of conventions, and someone mentioned the empty seats. You would be surprised at how many "empty seats" there are. When I attended conventions at Madison Square Garden, the building was probably less than 1/2 full. This is not a sporting event and it is not open to the public except for a limited number of seats. This is done for security reasons as well. Usually the podium design and stage design can cover up the empty seats.

As inspiring at this convention has been, the role of conventions has changed dramatically. They are basically infomercials now and the work that was actually accomplished in the past seems to be forgotten. It is now all about the primetime splash.

It is still fun to watch!

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM

spaw I am 110% in agreement.

But I hope they don't give time to a up close personal fluff piece on the Obama family's pet Gerbil. Not that there is anything wrong with a man and his Gerbil.


-

I just saw Pelosi today ithout makeup and looking totally drained finally speak the truth of the last 8 years on CSPAN.

Her speech last night was so lame "America is at a crossroads blah blah bland"

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:49 AM

"'That means that, no matter what channel you see video footage on, it is the footage that Fox - in their infinite and oh-so-fair-and-unbalanced judgment - deigned to shoot and make available in the first place.'"


                   They've got a covert cameraman out there hoping to get a shot of Hillary yawning, or Joe Biden picking his nose.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM

There were few empty seats for the big speeches.

During the day we must remember that it is a convention with a lot of side conferences and networking going on. Maybe they show so many goofy, poorly dressed bad dancers because the cool people have better places to be.

BTW I thought that Biden handled himself very well, especially during the big speeches. You could see his admiration for Teddy and Michelle in his eyes and he led some standing ovations. I am feeling better and better about Obama choosing him.

Also, I am now convinced, this is the third time I've watched he speak, that Michelle is a better speaker than Barack. She is more passionate, has a better rythm and says "Uhm" a lot less.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:15 PM

hey rig,

I have a outline for a political thriller that involves a covert "TV" camera man who is also actually holding a microwave 'rifle' at a convention.
It is made with the same microwave cone generator found in a typical restaurant microwave oven.

When he aims it at a speaker they get hot, then confused and if he leaves it on them for more than twenty seconds they could even faint.

IF he stays on them for a minute or two they are dead.

It works at sporting events too!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:21 PM

I noticed that Barack said that Michelle's performance was unbelievable.

He really needs to choose his words better than that.

The look on her face portrayed that she recognized the poor choice of words.

Then he asked his little girl how mommy did... arghhh

Has someone been putting flouride in his water or what

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 01:34 PM

What hope is there for our country with a bunch of grumpy old cynics like some of you? Keriste on a krutch! Ever heard about putting your energy into something positive, something you'd like to have happen? Any chance you might experiment for one day, and say nothing negative or critical, for the whole day, and see how ya feel later on? Or, just keep expending your energy in being armchair critics making sure nobody gets it right, because how could they please you lot?!

Neil, it brought tears to my eyes, too. I loved seeing Ted surrounded by his sons and nieces and nephews at the end there, too.

I thought it was great they were showing such diversity AND that the people who were shown dancing, waving signs and all looked a lot like a bunch of folkies...i.e. comfortably dressed! I suppose one could argue they were dressed in rags due to the shrub's fucking up the economy for eight years, but where's the fun in that?!

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: mg
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:04 PM

is it standard practice for the candidate to not be at the convention? I guess he isn't going until Thursday? It seems this would be the only chance for people to meet him etc. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:06 PM

Two minutes is a long time to take to kill someone with secret service on hand. Its a lot of screen time in a suspense film too. Interesting concept though. I was thinking of a similar idea with a gun built into a camera.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:10 PM

is it standard practice for the candidate to not be at the convention?

Yes. There have been a few that broke protocol, but most wait until their turn. Seeing them early would slow the momentum for the final, and most critical, event - the acceptance speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 02:34 PM

MSNBC, OMO, is the place to watch it if you happen to be left of center, center or even slightly left of the right wing...

Kieth O., Eugene R. and Rachael M. are at the ver least callin' it the way it is...

James Carvelle thinks that the Dems should spend the entire week blasting away at McCain??? I don't agree with James but they could take a few more shotys seein' as the McCain camp is intent on firing away at Obama for the entire week...

I'd love to see the Dems give it back to McNasty next week... I think I'd start off Monday morning with an ad called "McCain, to hot tempered to be president"

On Tuesday it would be "Infidelity is not a Family Value"...

Wednesday "If You Liked the Last Cold War, Vote McCain"

and on Thursday, something more topical about McCain's choice for VP... Like if it's Romney, "The Billion Dollar Man"...

Yeah, that would make this ol' hillbilly proud...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 03:08 PM

"Reports emerged Monday that one of the four people arrested told the U.S. Secret Service the group was "going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point" with a rifle during the Democratic National Convention, currently under way in Denver."

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/08/26/obama-plot.html?ref=rss

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 03:20 PM

"I have a outline for a political thriller that involves a covert "TV" camera man who is also actually holding a microwave 'rifle' at a convention."


                  A microwave rifle, there really is no end to American enginuity.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 03:44 PM

NEW YORK (CNN) -- The Beverly Hillary-billies come to Denver.

"It's not like [the Clintons] have been bending over backwards to help Obama get elected," says Jack Cafferty.

If you look closely this week, you might catch a glimpse of Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention in between appearances by the Clintons. Hillary Clinton is doing her dead-level best to take title to Obama's moment in the sun.

She lost. He won. She and her family will be everywhere.

She speaks tonight. Chelsea Clinton will introduce her. She will be preceded by a video produced by her own people, the same ones who produced the "Man from Hope" for Bill Clinton. He will speak tomorrow.

The Clintons will also use the convention to raise money to retire her campaign debts. They even came up with a cute little contest. Hillary Clinton awarded one lucky donor a trip to the convention with her.
.....

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton owes some big bucks, as in tens of millions of dollars. So if you're at the convention this week and you see her out in front of the hall selling pencils, buy one. She needs the money.



more at:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/cafferty.clintons/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 04:02 PM

What a bunch of crap. The Clintons are a big part of the Democratic Party. Of course they should be there. What would the idiot pundits say if they stayed away? Oh, yeah, the pundies would love that, wouldn't they? Fercrisakes, is it so inconceivable to you that people can work through things and work together?!

Rep. James E. Clyburn of South Carolina: "We learned coming out of the caucuses that sound bites can in fact be detrimental," Clyburn said. "So, irrespective of what may or may not happen on the [convention] floor . . . the problem is you might have two or three people who will say something, and that may become the headline."

And that is what the pundies have done to our media coverage. So, you believe it all, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 04:35 PM

AP: Edgy Dems await Clinton 1 hour, 50 minutes ago



DENVER - Democrats were on edge Tuesday as they waited to hear Hillary Rodham Clinton's prime-time speech on party unity, with some of her supporters saying they don't know what to do and others provoking confrontations.

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter backed Clinton in the primary, but said he still isn't clear if he's supposed to vote for her in Wednesday's roll call of the states due to what he called a lack of clarity from either the Clinton or Obama camps about the roll-call process.

"Just tell me what you want me to do," he said in an Associated Press interview, throwing up his hands and rolling his eyes.

He said he doesn't think the process really matters, because in the end Obama will be the nominee no matter what and the party will rally behind him.

In a separate interview, former Democratic Party Chairman Don Fowler, a Clinton supporter, said he remained uneasy about the attitudes of some Clinton delegates.

"It seems to be a little more of a problem than I anticipated," Fowler said. "There is some risk involved. ... All you need is 200 people in that crowd to boo and stuff like that and it will be replayed 900 times. And that's not what you want out of this."

The hand-wringing played out as Clinton paid a morning visit to the Pepsi Center with daughter Chelsea to check out the podium where she was to deliver her evening speech.

There were already signs of strain in the morning at a meeting of Democratic women.

Businesswoman Sheila Johnson, who is the owner of the Washington Mystics basketball team and an African-American, was imploring the crowd not to let voters get distracted by Obama's mixed race heritage or his unusual name when a man wearing a "Hillary" button called out from the crowd.

"Hussein! Hussein!" yelled the man, a reference to Obama's middle name. Many in the crowd leapt to their feet, shaking noisy tambourines at him and drowning him out.

The man, Igor Zhivotovksy from New York City, said later he is a strong Clinton backer who thinks she was cheated out of the nomination — and he doesn't like Obama.

"We just finished getting rid of a guy named Hussein in Iraq and why are we trying to elect someone with the same name?" said Zhivotovsky. "Everybody thinks if you're against Obama you're racist."

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 04:53 PM

I just saw Mike Dukakis. He now looks more like Howard Cosell.
He is a very spry 75.

Later tonight I might get to see Dennis Miller and Bill O'Reilly disect Michelle Obama's speech sentence by sentence. Won't that be fun?

I heard Don Imus endorse John McCain and say that Obama is a phoney in an empty sit. Latr he said he was still miffed at Obama for not giving him a pass during the knappy incident.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 05:05 PM

Jack, Rig,
The device is real and as serious as a heart attack. It has been around for nearly 30 years. Thing is today, anyone could build one. It even works through windows without metal screens. Further detail is unecessary and dangerous. These things do in fact have a history of being used with extreme predjudice by goverments and individuals alike. I do not know if the Constitution protects your right to have one.

kat; the Kennedy moments are and were precious and moving. My wife has had the priviledge to work for him in DC.
In succinct thread responses what screams loudest is cynacism but there is a lor of unsaid heart felt thoughts as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:09 PM

my Barack gaff cartoon

Barack on stage at convention:
"Senator Clinton, it was close, but no cigar"

Bill Clinton glares

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:18 PM

LOL...good one, Donuel. And, thank you for the post just before that. It touched my heart and gives me pause.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:40 PM

Observation?

Second rate medicine show. The tent is packed, we are being entertained by dancing girls and story tellers, hoping that the show will be good enough to excite the media, and at the end Alibama will rise on the platform, his magic carpet wrapped around him, and everyone will wait expectantly to see if he can ride the carpet up, up, up and away, out of the hall and through the next few weeks ........- or go kerplunk.

No, the Republican convention will be no better.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:41 PM

I think Senator Clinton made a wonderful speech tonight. The heads are still debating it and hammering out their consensus but I know what I heard and saw.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:53 PM

I loved the governor from Montana. He was hoot and really good at getting people fired up. I love it when someone shows some genuine excitement/enthusiasm! AND< I loved it when one of them, can't remember which one, said we had to let go of cynicism!! That's what I've been saying! I think it was Deval Patrick who said it. He is a great speaker, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:58 PM

I didn't say it didn't exist. The Pentagon is testing crowd control microwave devices. I'm saying it might not be an effective way to kill someone at a convention if it takes that long to kill. Once the subject dropped there would be bodies in the way and they would possibly be evacuated on a stretcher before the cameraman could finish them off. It would be a challenge to plausibly write is all I'm saying,

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 11:59 PM

Great speech from Hillary.

I think Bill is going to raise the roof!!

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 07:38 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/08/27/do2701.xml

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 08:10 AM

There are defensive reasons one has to tell their family story so we won't believe they all came from Al Qada training camps.


Hillary spoke of Harriet Tubbs from Rochester New York urging people to keep going if they see torches to keep going if they hear dogs to keep going... powerful stuff.
Rochester NY has the distinction of hatching many national movments that would surprise you,

I would have voted for her if it hadn't been for here globalist NAFTA postitions.

THe camera work was much better last night

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:05 AM

Donuel-

Please: "Harriet Tubman."

I was favorably impressed with Hillary's speech. It's probably one of her best ones.

I'll be curious enough to listen to what Bill has to say, but I expect he'll do well too.

What ever happened to Bill Richardson? Did I miss a major scandal?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:13 AM

I rely on your help on names. I have a blind spot for names that has hurt me all my life.

Congresswoman Tubbs recently died.

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 10:49 AM

Richardson is there. I spect we'll see him tonight or tomorrow.