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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 15 Nov 07 - 07:53 PM Bill D said, in part: This place IS a community, just as much as the houses and people in your town or neighborhead [sic].... As a matter of fact, I feel I know many of the Mudcatters I "meet" here far better than I know my physical neighbors for three houses in any direction. Yes, I've physically met a few of you, but most of those regulars whom I "know" here are known as personalities through their written communications on a wide variety of subjects, over a pretty long period of time. By way of contrast, I seldom see, let alone talk at any length with, any of the folks down the street. It must be said, though, that the personality of any given Mudcatter I may "know" here may well be quite different from the personality I would gather if I knew him/her only through physical meeting. And that's for several possible reasons: a: The 'Catter consciously creates and inhabits a persona at odds with his real-life existence, perhaps for comic purposes (e.g. Bobert? Spaw?); or b: The 'Catter's greater or lesser ability in written communication is at variance with his personal, spoken communication, resulting in an impression either better or worse than might be in personal presence; or c: With some individuals, given the slowing-down or moderating influence of having to put thoughts (if any) in words, and in typed form, with second thoughts and self-editing opportunities, the 'Catter may appear more moderate, or more dull, or more brilliant that he might in person (maybe this is just more of b above); or d: The converse of c might be that the slowing, perhaps effortful nature of putting words on the screen just causes an abandonment or abridgement of thoughts or jests which would pour forth into physical speech spontaneously, thereby skewing or preventing the communication of the 'Catter's "real" personality; or (and this is the last one I'll attempt to give): e: The facelessness of the interaction here, and the unlikelihood of any real-world consequences of what one might say here--the virtual anonymity if you will--may allow aspects of the "real" personality to emerge in Mudcat print which would perforce be moderated or even hidden in the face-to-face world (e.g. Clinton Hammond?). And possibly other examples which don't come to mind at the moment. Think I'll go see if there's beer in the refrigerator. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Janie Date: 15 Nov 07 - 08:05 PM Thoughts without the thinker. Noting. Just noting. I'm inclined to think the only way to learn to do that entails repeatedly jumping in and out of the fishbowl and observing (noting) the experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Bobert Date: 15 Nov 07 - 08:13 PM "Comic purposes", my hairy hillbilly butt, Dave-ster... I'm perfectly serious and so is Spaw-zer... OKay, Sapw-zer might not be... I can't speak fir him... But I'm sure he'll get back to you on this one... Maybe way back... You know, ahhhhh... ...nevermind what "way back" means, Dave... Don't want to worry yer purdy head, 'er nuthin'... And if you think that my real life ain't, ahhhhhh.... (Go back and reread it, Bobert...) This sh*t is hurtin' my head... Can't we do easy stuff like talkin' about what a "dick" Cheney is??? Or what makes women tick??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 15 Nov 07 - 08:40 PM Bobert said: Can't we do easy stuff like talkin' about * * * or what makes women tick??? But we've already got a never-ending "Mother of all.." thread, Bobert! Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Rapparee Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:19 PM Dick Cheney has never posted there even once. Mom wouldn't permit it, I'm sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:23 PM Kat, I have NO idea what you mean-- I haven't posted anything but silly nonsense for hours and hours. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:24 PM Dave, that's a pretty fair post back there. But make no mistake, I AM Spaw. Spaw is not an invented persona. I think the only part of "Spaw" that is different comes from the fact that because of the jokes and Cletus tales, I am expected to inject flatulence into everything around here. I tried backing off that but to no avail so I gave up. Also its a bit like Groucho at times too. If I don't insult people on a regular basis, I get PM's asking if I'm okay. But all of that and including the colorful language is Pat Patterson as well. Not everything is a fart joke, but I make some and I razz damn near everyone when I can make it fun. I have a serious and thoughtful side but so does Spaw. I try to write in the same way I speak. In whatever case though, Pat and Spaw are the same fellow........you know...kind of a jackass to some.....but fuck ';em if they can't take a joke! Pat Spaw Greaseball ......and once, Julie Nixon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Bobert Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:31 PM Danged right, Rap, and that is my exact point... If I was Dick Cheney'e mom I'd keep him away from here, too... Way to dangerous, unless of course, he comes in here with his shotgun then... ...bet's are off... He have this joint shot up in a few minutes... I mean, half ther folks here would now be in ambumances on their way to Mudville General Hospital for unspecified gunshot wounds... Too bad that Cheney was going thru his Chickenhawk stage during Vietnam... He would have have had plenty of opportunities to play "bad-ass"... (But, Bobert, Cheney ain't a bad-ass... He's a chicken...) ...and yer point??? Nevermind, this thread is about some kind anthropological experiement.... Dissin' Dickless Cheney ain't in the antropolgical experiement handbook... Yeah, you go experiementin' on a bunch of somewhat neurotic folk singers and leave Cheney alone??? Like what is that about??? Really... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: katlaughing Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:32 PM That's just what I was gonna say, Pat/Spaw is Spaw/Pat, oh, and Peaches! Susan, when you asked where the analysts were (presumably you were referring to DW) and followed it with: (How anal would I have to be, to be considered a true analyst?) I am on the brown path now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Nov 07 - 08:32 AM It's just as well that everybody is behaving in this thread, but regarding Uncle daveO's post above... The Old Chat Forum had a Troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Nov 07 - 08:45 AM Kat, it was Spaw who made the analyst remark, and I joked it back his way. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Nov 07 - 08:54 AM I suspected Hardiman Susan, after that joke he told me before. I seem to remember the instrument in question was called a Guzla? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Rapparee Date: 16 Nov 07 - 09:06 AM Lessee, Bobert: I got guns and a "carry" permit; Kendall and Big Mick carry guns...that's those I can think off right off hand...wait, Sorcha's got guns...Dicky "Bird" Cheney wouldn't be wise to start shooting people on MC. We might just shoot back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: katlaughing Date: 16 Nov 07 - 10:19 AM He comes around here, I'd dig out the old single-shot twenty-two rifle, straightest-shooting gun I've ever used. Susan, it was a simple enough question. I just thought you carried it to a particularly personal and low manner. (I don't like scatological references.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: GUEST,Russ Date: 16 Nov 07 - 10:37 AM Fun thread. Reminds me of the good old days at MC. Span,did they let you out on work release?:) Russ (Permanent GUEST) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Bee Date: 16 Nov 07 - 10:50 AM Me, I've been unsuccessfully trying to get a 2007 digital camera to interface with a 1996 computer, losing my mouse connection in the process. Dave's Wife oughtta write a paper about this thread as revenge, but I suspect she's too nice a person for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Lonesome EJ Date: 16 Nov 07 - 11:14 AM Ah yes, cultural anthropology, a field of great interest to me. In most primitive societies, there was an important role for the jester, the "holy fool", as both a satirist and a mirror to hold up to the society to reveal its own foibles. This figure in Native-American cultures was often called Coyote in folk tales. Here we call him Catspaw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:05 PM OR sometimes, when he's not around, we invoke the Actress' Creed: any member in a pinch... Kat, I submit if Spaw had made the same remark it would have been a chuckle, rather than a frown. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Lonesome EJ Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:24 PM Interesting point, Amos, and one which goes directly to Dave's Wife's theory on this thread...for Katlaughing, the comment was inappropriate not to the Forum, but to Wisywyg's personna on the Forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:44 PM Indeed, Ernie; it is worth noting, perhaps, that (IMHO) the "attributes" of the "persona" object projected from any one operator into the matrix of Forum "reality" are, in each case, ultimately self-selected by the operator through a complex of subtle choices preceding the submission of each post in each context to which the operator responds. These choices include innumerable refinements of vocabulary, emphasis, degree of entanglement, forcefulness, tone, and emotional expression, just to name a few off the top of my head, which are completely the operator's determination. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: MMario Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:51 PM But isn't that essentially true in any interaction between two people? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:54 PM Who knows MM, if I understood what Amos J said, I might agree, but then again, it was Amos that said it! G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Rapparee Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:09 PM Since I created all of you, the discussion is all my own anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:26 PM Is Rapaire powerful enough to create an entity which will absolutely ignore Rapaire? Discuss. MM: It is, yes; but the addition of so many intermediary steps in a text-based network dialogue tends to obscure this fact and create a sense of disconnection from personal involvement which some people distort to a perceived personal advantage, although no real advantage accrues at all. So it is worth emphasizing, for example, that the precise reason others may perceive me (within the Forum) as a harebrained pedantic nutcase is because of the many times I have chosen to communicate in a harebrained, or pedantic, or nutty fashion. A series of choices, by the way, with which I am completely comfortable here. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:36 PM ..and so now at this complex point of community discohesion [if that word don't exist.... it does now !!!!].. "punkfolkrocker" realises he is not so alone in coping with his multiple persona disorder social disfunctions.. and so until at least the next time his 3D world concious gets us both into a blurry staggering weekend cidered up crisis of 'being' and 'identity' "we" will continue to survive just as hoplessly badly spelled and ungrammatical as ever before here at "mudcat".. g'night.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Bill D Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:37 PM duly noted |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:39 PM I now know why his persona is near death! G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:44 PM .. and we still prefere our folk music as loud as possible on cheap chinese made electric guitars and fuzz boxes.. ps.. if i do ever again get really bored with "punkfolkrocker" look out for "thrashdeathmetalfokrocker" sometime soon after my fastly encroaching 50th birthday.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: katlaughing Date: 16 Nov 07 - 02:33 PM Can something encroach at a fast pace?**BG** Maybe, folks, re' the other thing, but a "chuckle?" No, more like a groan. He knows I hate cleaning up litter! LeeJ...I had a Siamese once named Heyokah..same kinda character, though fastidious when it came to scat. Taught himself how to pee in the toilet, I kid you not! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 16 Nov 07 - 03:00 PM In Norse mythology the role of Coyote the Trickster was filled by Loki. but fuck ';em if they can't take a joke! Pat Spaw Greaseball ......and once, Julie Nixon Come now, isn't that a bit harsh, considering roughness of your bark PatSpawGreaseballJulieCoyoteLoki. ;o) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 16 Nov 07 - 03:07 PM His PRESENT tense, Neil, is actually Leeki; it his PAST tense which is Loki. The future tense, which is irregular, is damwellLieki. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Nov 07 - 03:17 PM Ukulele Lady by Richard Whiting & Gus Kahn I saw the splendor of the moonlight On Honolulu Bay There's something tender in the moonlight On Honolulu Bay And all the beaches are filled with peaches Who bring their ukes along And in the glimmer of the moonlight They love to sing this song 1: If you like Ukulele Lady Ukulele Lady like a'you If you like to linger where it's shady Ukulele Lady linger too If you kiss Ukulele Lady While you promise ever to be true And she sees another Ukulele Lady foolin' 'round with you 2: Maybe she'll sigh (an awful lot) Maybe she'll cry (and maybe not) Maybe she'll find somebody else By and by To sing to when it's cool and shady Where the tricky wicky wacky woo If you like Ukulele Lady Ukulele Lady like a'you She used to sing to me by moonlight On Honolulu Bay Fond memories cling to me by moonlight Although I'm far away Some day I'm going, where eyes are glowing And lips are made to kiss To see somebody in the moonlight And hear the song I miss Repeat 1. Repeat 2. ©Bourne Inc. (ASCAP) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Bill D Date: 16 Nov 07 - 06:18 PM HEY 'SPAW!!! and to think, I doubted you! Must be relatives from the old country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: John MacKenzie Date: 17 Nov 07 - 04:56 AM Visit the Zlatarna Jewellers in the background. Giok ¦¬]
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Dave'sWife Date: 18 Nov 07 - 09:36 PM Good Lord - go away for a bit and come back to over 180 posts! egads! Katlaughing - one of the better deal sites is Slickdeals.Net - skip on over there if you want to see what a "deal" site is. it is basically a place where thousands of users share information on advertised shopping deals, unadvertised shopping deals, di==online discount codes to use on online shopping sites to further save on already heavily discounted prices at sites such as Amazon, free-shipping codes to help make deals even better values, Free sample offers, Free merchandise offers in exchange for filling out a survey, Free products in exchange for submitting product test reports and so on. Deal sites tend to be frequented by young parents up to a certain age, college kids thrilled to get stuff for free or cheap, empty-nester women and a minority of geeky men. The geeky men tend to be in it for the thrill of the hunt or because they have young children and need to stretch a buck. The demographics of deal sites are vastly different from that of the Mudcat and the types of communications differ as a result. A large portion of deal site visitors have very little real-life interactions outside of their immediate families. Now I am going to sift back through the above and read. FYI - anthropologists who talk through films shouldn't be allowed in the theatre! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Dave'sWife Date: 18 Nov 07 - 10:16 PM >>>>Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Desert Dancer - PM Date: 14 Nov 07 - 06:36 PM This thread is a study in itself: it's almost Mudcat in a microcosm... intellectual curiosity; insider resistance to inquiry out of the "norm"; rampant scatalogical rowdiness... ~ Becky in Tucson<<<< LOL - yup. Exactly. And not a single person disappointed me by acting out of character! Nobody is suggesting we discuss these behaviors with an eye towards doing anything other than navel-gazing, at least I'm not. I've been observing online communication long enough to know that observation doesn't seem to have any real effect upon it. The only time I have seen observation or at least the explicit notification of organized observations have an effect is when it is announced in an attempt to deal with offline criminal behavior such as the organized harassment of of one member by another or several others. I have not seen that pattern here. Katlaughing suggests that a thread inviting analysis of Mudcat behavior might result in self-censorship. it could. I'd go into more detail but I'm going to self-censor myself! I need to get dinner on the table. Have a great rest of the evening everyone. When I'm done eating, iu'll come back and see if I was successful in convincing Bee to rename Snowball "Souser"! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: katlaughing Date: 18 Nov 07 - 10:39 PM FYI - anthropologists who talk through films shouldn't be allowed in the theatre! I agree!! And not a single person disappointed me by acting out of character! That in itself is enough to put caution to anything anyone chooses to post and also shows a prejudice on your part as to outcome. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:55 PM It seems to me that it is quite a rare skill TO "act out of character" convincingly. What would you have folks do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:07 PM But what of those who decided not to post? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Rapparee Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:46 PM Out of character? You WANT me to act out of character? Druther not, but if it makes someone happy.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:53 PM I was SO acting out of character!!! An' I can PROVE it, too!! I WAS!! So there!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Rapparee Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:09 PM You're too much of a character to act out of character, Amos. I, on the other hand, have no character whatsoever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Donuel Date: 20 Nov 07 - 11:49 AM Low Key: Norse God of cartoonists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: MMario Date: 20 Nov 07 - 11:51 AM Brother to Bald Ur - Norse god of Hair loss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 20 Nov 07 - 11:59 AM And first cousin to Thor, the guardian of priapists. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 20 Nov 07 - 12:26 PM Not to mention nymphomaniacs... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 20 Nov 07 - 12:26 PM ANd those who obsessively grab numbers... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Amos Date: 20 Nov 07 - 12:27 PM Like 200.A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Azizi Date: 07 Jan 09 - 09:52 PM I went looking for the thread on Thread Drift as a result of reading the current thread BS: Rules for Kittens in Mudcattery , which started off as a serious discussion and now is not serious at all, unless you count "humourous" exchanges and put downs as being serious. While looking for that thread drift thread {which I've not found yet}, I found this one. I don't know whether Jeri would agree, but I think that this comment of her's fits what happened/is happening on that "Rules For Kittens..." thread: Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Jeri - PM Date: 15 Nov 07 - 06:29 PM Perfect example why nothing serious or close to the heart will ever be successfully discussed at Mudcat again. People who are willing to sabotage threads by posting stupid shit in quantity will be too uncomfortable to let the threads continue. They don't have anything to say about the actual subject, but they have to let their egos run free to trample smaller but significant contributions."... -snip- I admit to having a very serious nature, and I know that I'm prone to analyzing and over-analyzing most things. With regard to that Mudkittens thread, I've wondered whether the "stupid shit" {aka "humorous put-downs/exchanges} serve a worthwhile purpose of helping restore the community of posters' equalibrium when difficult subjects are raised and {as a result} discussions either become or threaten to become to emotionally tense. If that is the case, then maybe changing the subject is a good thing. Or is it? I truly am not sure. Maybe it depends on the subject and how it is changed and whether we ever are mature? comfortable? courageous? enough to discuss sensitive subjects. Furthermore, I'm wondering what-if anything-should be the role of the thread starter when his or her threads goes off topic in the way that I've described in a general sense and not focusing on that Mudkittens thread or this thread. In response to a poster on that Mudkittens thread who wrote that she felt that the Original Poster might counsider such a high degree of thread drift to be rude, the Original Poster responded that she had no problem with the thread going off-topic. In addition to the question about the conscious {or unconscious} motives for posters taking a thread off-topic after sensitive, difficult subjects are introduced and briefly discussed, as a secondary question, I wonder what would happen if the Original Poster does request that the comedic exchanges and putdowns cease and the commentors return to more serious discussion. Does anyone care to respond to these questions? Btw, because I think I should, I'm going to post a link to this comment on that Mudkitten thread. And, because I'm interested in re-reading it, I'm going to continue looking for that Thread Drift thread. If I find it, I'll post a link to it in this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Native Behaviors in Mudcat Society From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jan 09 - 09:56 PM 200? |
