BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:19 PM

Yes, I agree...that was THE error for Hillary Clinton. Most politicians, it seems, would rather face decapitation than admit they made a mistake in a major policy decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:37 PM

"The one with the most passion AND the right amount of funding wins."

          I think funding might trump passion, it depends on the target audience. When George Soros bankrolled move-on.org, he was on the road to buying a president.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:39 PM

The other possibility for Hillary is that she was too clever by half. Knowing the success of Bill's triangulation strategy, she tried doing it even before she got into office. Bad mistake.

Right from the start she envisioned running in the general election--when you have to run to the center usually.

However, you do have to get your party's nomination first.   So you have to get the true believers in passion-generating issues on your side.   She turned off the anti-war people bigtime. Obama welcomed them. And after 8 years of GWB, huge numbers were ready for "change".

Then McCain self-destructed by proving clueless at the height of the financial crisis. And that, more than anything else, made the difference for Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:41 PM

Rig--you don't read very carefully ever, do you?   Passion brings funding. If Soros had not had passionate belief in Obama, how much do you think he would have contributed?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:46 PM

And nobody "buys" a president. Nobody intelligent even thinks they can.   A rich person may think they have a degree of control. And finds out it ain't necessarily so.

If you think anybody has "bought" a president--ever-- let's have specifics.

You're great at stupid cynical remarks--one of the best.   Evidence?--a bit shy on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:52 PM

So it seems, Rig, that your bitterness at Obama's election remains. Poor boy. Any explanation will do for you--except that he won it fair and square--and the others lost it, not due to any conspiracy, or anybody pulling strings, but due to their own mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:53 PM

Evidence--Soros in not capable of passion, Ron. If he was directed by passion he wouldn't control billions of dollars--David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel tell the president every move to make. It's a setup that works very well for George Soros.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 10:04 PM

Typical hogwash from you--see, I didn't say "drivel"--- Rig.   If somebody has money, he may well want to support causes he believes in. If you don't think Soros believes in many of the same causes as Obama, then, as usual, you need to do more reading.   Have you ever read anything by Soros at all?

Not that insight would ever penetrate your bitter cynicism.

As I said, too bad you're still whining about the election and still desperately searching for any explanation for Obama's victory except the truth--that he won it fair and square--and the others lost it due to their mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 11:10 PM

I'm not whining, Ron. I just thought it was important to state the obvious so eventually you might come to understand it. So far, I think Obama has done a good job, given the situation he was facing to start out with.

                  RE: People with money. Sometimes it might pay even a casual observer to look into how he/she came to have money in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 11:26 PM

Didn't Soros support Hillary Clinton originally?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:02 AM

Possibly, maybe he just found a candidate he liked better.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:08 AM

As usual, Rig, you're all wet.   As was said in another context, your ignorance is like rotting mackerel by moonlight:   it shines and stinks.

As Ebbie has pointed out, Hillary and Soros were close long before Obama entered the picture in a big way.   There are even books decrying this:   try Horowitz:    Shadow Party:   How George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party.

And as to Soros' causes, and the degree to which a rich man has control of politics:   Soros 11 November 2003:   Washington Post:   getting GWB out of office is the "central focus of my life".   He gave over $23 million to groups dedicated to beating GWB.   We see how successful he was.

He has pumped huge amounts of money into causes he believes in. Time magazine cited 2 in 2007:   $100 million toward "infrastructure for regional Russian universities,and $50 million to the Millennium Promise to eradicate extreme poverty in Africa".

Too bad you're still bitter about the 2008 election. It must be terrible to be you:   afraid of all sorts of imaginary conspiracies involving Mexicans, Catholics, etc. and now afraid of rich people too.   And of course you remain blissfully free of any real knowledge of any of your imaginary adversaries--by the simple act of refusing to do research on anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:34 AM

Hey, ya'll... If ya'll wanta squabble about Hillary start a Hillary thread...

...'cause this thread is about Miss Sarah...

Sheeesh... Right LH???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:45 AM

Also:   "Maybe he just found another candidate he liked better."

For once you have stumbled across a fact.    Now if you only read what you yourself have written, you may start to understand.    Yes, he found he liked Obama better.   Why?   Partly because he realized Hillary was a sinking ship.   The point is, a rich person can seek to influence the outcome of an election--but only by picking a candidate who already has much to offer to the electorate in general. And far from "buying" a president, the rich person has to guess which candidate would be the strongest, and support that person--and be willing to change if he or she guesses wrong.

In that respect it's actually very close to making up a harmony to a song you've never heard before--you make an educated guess as to where the song is going--but be ready to change immediately if you guess wrong.

In fact a lot of corporate sponsors support both Republicans and Democrats--so they won't be out in the cold no matter which party wins a given election.

And yes, contrary to another cynical view fondly held by some Mudcatters, there is in fact often a difference between the Republican and the Democrat on a given issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:46 AM

You're a lot like the mainstream news establishment, Ron, or the Bush Administration's march to war in Iraq. You only choose to research and retain information from sources that support your previously concocted conclusions.
               
                The problem with people like Soros is, they get to pick and choose which causes and groups get the money. If they'd been paying their fair share of taxes over the years, they'd have less money and more people would be involved in deciding how the money was spent.

                By the way, are you citing the same Horowitz who is constantly trying to destroy Jimmy Carter?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:49 AM

Sorry, Bobert.   But when you talk politics--and that is at base what this thread is about--the significance, or lack thereof, of Sarah's move to Fox----it helps to refer to past political events.   Or do you also think Reagan is not germane to this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:50 AM

Wrong again, Rig.   I cite quite a few sources. You cite none.

Your credibility is in direct proportion.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:53 AM

David Horowitz.   Time for you to do some research, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:58 AM

Nah, Ron, ol' buddy...

I can see a little drift here and there... Afterall, it is the BS section but sometimes drift can get ya a little too far from the shore...

As for Ronnie??? Barely germane??? More germane to the question "Under whoes administration did Boss Hog turn the tide in his war against the New Deal???" Yeah, Ronnie is the correct answer...

As for Soros??? Yeah, if he and his rich buddies hadn't coralled all the money for themselves I don't think we would be in the mess we are in these days...

BTW... Yeah, I like Ms. Sarah... Not enough to watch FOX but I like her... Kinda woman that you'd like to have a beer with and maybe take out for a little deep sea fishin' (wink, wink...) that is if you were a single kinda guy and weren't subject to sea sickness but...

...the ol' gal is dumber than a box of creek rocks when it comes to runnin' anything... Other than her very pretty mouth, that is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 08:35 AM

>> If you think anybody has "bought" a president--ever-- let's have specifics.


Big business, especially big oil, bought Bush-Cheney's election.

If anyone "bought" Obama's election it was thousands of small donors.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 08:52 AM

Yes, Ron, that's right, David Horowitz. Here's the title of an article he published in December of 2006.


Jimmy Carter: Jew-Hater, Genocide-Enabler, Liar
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 14, 2006

          It's time for you to do a little research, Ron. Learn to look a little further than the headlines.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:30 AM

David Horowitz ain't exactly an objective source... Word on the street is that even his kids and wife hate him and the dog runs when he sees ol' Dave...

But, ya' gotta give David credit... He is an equal-opportunity kinda cranky person...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 11:54 AM

He forgot "goldfish-abuser, snot-eater, and peanut smuggler". ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:33 PM

I hadn't heard about the peanuts... Danged, that's it fir me... See if I ever say anything nice about the man again 'cept, of course, when he's into his bash the "other guys" mode.... Like I said, he doesn't much care who he's bashing as long as he is bashin' someone...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:41 PM

Anyone who doesn't like peanuts is no friend of mine.

Who's whore's wits?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 02:30 PM

"If anyone "bought" Obama's election it was thousands of small donors. "


WHo donated LESS than the corporate sponsors.


PLease LOOK at the numbers for donations to Obama. Yes, he got more donations under the limit for accountability than McCann, but he ALSO got a lot more of the large corporatioons and lobbiest's money.

Bought and paid for- just look at his payoffs to the unions.
GM- Unions get the assets, stockholders get the debt.
no taxes on THEIR expensive medical plans
control at the table for "job creation"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 05:51 PM

Should the song be revived?

Palin, Sarah Palin,
Queen of the Wild Frontier.

Buy GM stock. It's on the upswing. Smart investors are making a pile on earlier folks' losses. Such is life!

Ontario Teachers Pension Fund owns a lot of prime NY real estate. The Exxon Pension Fund owns the Exxon hadquarters and much else. So do other pension funds make money for the retirees.

BB, you should have had a job with a proper corporation and paid into the pension fund (yes, the union membership at GM paid their dues, and deservedly bought their employer!).

I am quite happy with my pension, which was set up in similar fashion to many other corporate pension funds.
Of course, I had to have been employed to get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM

Like I have said, we have Ronnie Raygun and the Era of Deregulation to blame for folks losing their pensions... This has always been part of "The Plan" by the New Deal Haters (NDHs)... The governemnt can only sustain but so many of them until it cracks and then the US becomes like Haiti before the earthquake... The problem is that Ronnie and thr Deregulaots set in motion the demise of the working class... It was genious on their part... Just make the laws favor management and eventually labor will crumble... We have all had front row seats in the crumbling of the American labor movement...

Worst part about it is that Boss Hog couldn't have done it without the poorest paid worker in the country... Yup, Bubba and Billy Jean and all their neigbors have voted over and over aagainst their own best interests in order to keep Boss Hog fat and happy...

And the beat goes on...

BTW, for those of you who are happy with yer penions now, just wait until the government can no longer afford to insure them... Thatis right around the corner in Boss Hogs plan...

B~

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:16 PM

Yes, all the stuff Raygun was told to read off his tele-prompter did a lot of damage to the country. Ironically, the people it did the least damage to were those folks who were working for government. He said government employees were the people he liked the least--at least that's what popped up on his tele-prompter--but the people he hurt the most worked for private industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 08:46 PM

Rig, you really must have a New Year's resolution to understand nothing. And I think you'll easily be able to carry it out. You're off to a rousing start.

I never claimed Horowitz was objective in the least, just that he had written the book I cited.



Reagan:   It should be obvious to all concerned that if we discuss Sarah's plans, Reagan could not be more germane---his trajectory is exactly the one she has picked out for herself.

And as I noted, if the run-up to 2012 is anything like that to 1980, she may very well be able to do it.


And I'm still waiting for anybody to give me the name of one person who "bought" a president--ever. NB, one person, not "big business" --since Rig alleges, with no evidence whatsoever, that Soros "bought" or tried to "buy" Obama.

Even GWB's record is more complex than that.   And there are quite a few factors in both 2000 and 2004 which gave GWB the presidency twice.   And of course if I start listing them, I am in grave danger of offending somebody who thinks this sacred thread should be reserved for something else--who knows what.

It's also rather discouraging--and sure as hell not worth my time--to discuss with so many people who insist on simple--even simplistic--answers to complex questions.

Not even including Mr. Rig, whose answers are a bit less sensible than those of the wall in front of me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:13 PM

Well, Ron, I guess if you already have the answers there's no sense in trying to read the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 09:03 AM

Yeah, Rigs.... The governemnt employees have made out well... Except that along came privatization and the Air Traffic Controlers strike... This has been Boss Hog's answer to governemnt employees... Either get fired or get fired... You pick...

The odd thing is that according to a recent GAO report it costs the government $55,000 a year more for a Blackwater employee than it would to use an enlisted service person... Hmmmmmm??? Seems that Ronnie didn't think that one thru too well...

(But, Boderdz... Privatization wasn't Ronnie's idea at all... It was Boss Hog's...)

Yeah, yer right...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 09:23 AM

Well, Ron, I guess if you already have the answers...

The Omniscient and All-Powerful Simple Seeker After Truth always has all the answers.

Get used to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 09:48 AM

I don't know how I could have momentarily forgotten that, Greg


               You're right about the Blackwater Employees, Bobert. But I don't think it was because Reagan didn't think it through; I don't think he was capable of thinking. I suspect it didn't pop up on his tele-prompter, so he couldn't read it to the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM

Blackwater has black mailed the CIA. Thats right the CEO of Blackwater told them that if they try to prosecute him or his men they will spill the beans on all the CIA stuff they know about.

Blackwater seems to be using Al Qada and Taliban techniques against US agencies.

Blackwater acknowledges this but they call it Grey mail. Sounds less sinister don't you think?


Why does the CIA tolerate this? Cuz they like having the thin yet artificial line between them and war crimes. Its called deniability.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 04:32 PM

Sorry... I said I would not get into these types of threads... and I am sorry to proffer this...

I WONDER if the reason such a premium is paid for mercenaries has anything to do with the fact that an enlisted man might not pull the trigger? After all, mercenaries have NO concience.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jan 10 - 08:33 PM

I suspect the mercenary can pull the trigger with less concern about war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 12:32 PM

Mercenary has been degraded in its use.
Remember the Hessian mercenaries with the British forces in the Revolutionary War? They comprised one-fourth of British Forces. Some 5000 did not return and became part of the German-American settlers in the Colonies.

Many pre-9th C. armies contained large numbers of mercenaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 12:38 PM

Pre-19th C armies, that is

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 09:32 PM

And now there's this:

          Sarah Palin earns USD 100k for mag cover

    New York, Jan 16 : Sarah Palin's decision to quit her political role seems to be now making big financial sense.

    According to sources, Palin and her daughter, Bristol, earned an eye-popping 100,000 dollars for their new In Touch Weekly cover, reports the New York Post.

    By working for just eight hours' at her own home, Palin earned nearly as much as her 125,000-dollars-a-year salary as Alaska governor.

    Palin reportedly gets 100,000 dollars per public-speaking engagement, while she has a multiyear deal as a Fox News Channel analyst.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 10:26 PM

If money is all that matters to her, Palin has it made.

Oh yeah, she's a politician.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 07:51 AM

Well, Rigs, it costs a bunch of money to run for president...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 09:55 AM

That's right, it does, and with the Reagan-Bush-BushII tax cuts, she can keep most of it so she'll be in pretty good shape in 2012. Good thing she dumped that stupid govenor's job.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 02:14 PM

Sarah Palin has achieved the American Dream. Fame, notoriety, job offers, wealth....

And she's still young enough to enjoy it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:21 PM

So why would she want to screw all of that up by running for public office?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 06:34 PM

Well...I sure wouldn't if I was in her position. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 08:56 PM

Me neither!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Jan 10 - 09:40 PM

The lure of power. Doesn't lure me. Then again rich and obscure, I could go for.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:04 AM

Interesting review here of Palin's 'autobiography':


http://www.newstatesman.com/books/2010/01/palin-america-rogue-alaska

Sorry if this has been posted before.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin goes to Fox News
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 08:44 AM

The writer states: (Palin doubtless also feels that she's on solid factual ground with Going Rogue, but it has been dismissed by senior McCain staffers as "total fiction".)

    It's beginning to look like senior McCain staffers were so intent on attacking Palin they forgot they were supposed to be working for McCain.
    McCain himself proved to be a questionable judge of character: first with the people who spent all his money so he had to start from ground zero with fund raising, to the staffers who happily sandbagged Sarah Palin, to Palin herself.
    Putting Palin in play, like he did, was a lot like "the break" at the start of a game of pool, who knows where the balls will end up?