'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:16 AM

I just knew I'd get to you GUEST if I kept it up. That should show the people who are positive - like me - how sad you really are. I'm still posting with my real name by the way, and I'll keep baiting you too if you insist on posting to something you are not attending. Me - I'm supporting Sidmouth all the way.
By the way Don, there are far more for's than Trolls, so forget the sad little people - they're just wasting precious oxygen.
John Barden

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Member in a Mask
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:20 AM

. . . or, as it has clearly failed to occur to you, we might be people who have been involved in traditional music for really rather a long time and have posted to this forum a lot longer than this disruptive, random-word-generating, vindictive nuisance. No-one 'followed' lizziecornish here, nor anywhere. 'She' (if that is what it is) is a nightmarish, binge-posting, bullying loudmouth with far too much time to waste. The BBC (among others) have banned her for breaches of House Rules including multi-logins and defamatory, objectionable behaviour.   If the criteria of lack of music knowledge had been used, it would have come much sooner.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:21 AM

Yes Don,

These anon. posters are only showing their own ignorance.

We who are attending know what is planned and what we expect from Sidmouth Folk Week and are happy with that and looking forward to a great week.

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:27 AM

Member in a Mask,
You are correct,i have been involved in Traditional folk music for 30 years or even longer.But no way will i put my name anywhere Lizzie is or will be.
So John eat your words and apoligize to all the Guests who will not reveal their Mudcat name to you or anybody else when Lizzie is involved in the thread.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Regular catter
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:52 AM

Kitty,

It's only a week long party if your face fits.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:31 AM

I don't see why I should apologize to anybody who is so afraid to 'put up', nor will I. You can only use objectionable and defamatory words behind the mask of obscurity. I don't believe your so called involvement in traditional music for a number of years is true, in fact I suspect it's a downright lie. TROLLS hide behind the word GUEST, and TROLLS you will always be. Anybody involved in world world of traditional music wouldn't be so obnoxious - and you know that word don't you because you hear it so often. What a shame you don't have a positive bone in your body nor soul. Shame on!
John Barden

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:08 PM

By the way GUEST and GUEST,Anonymous, what don't you understand about the line:-

This thread is directed specifically at people who ARE going to Sidmouth Festival 2005.

That was the first thing in this discussion therefore that is what this thread is all about, seems to me that you're just Lizzie chasing and baiting. If, as you claim, you been involved in Traditional music 30 years or longer, is it that you're just in the first stages of dementia, or is it probably that you're just a little lonely person with nothing better to do and know nothing about Folk music? If so, why not come to what promises to be a great week in Sidmouth and find out?
John Barden

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:14 PM

Regular Catter its a party if you take part in it.

It's not a matter of faces fitting. People have put a lot of work,money and time into putting on a week long festival that deserves support.

You have not demonstrated any knowledge of what is going be put on this year and seem to basing your opinion (if you really have one) on what was being said many months ago when there really was some doubt about Sidmouth 2005.

Go away, check your facts and come back under your own name when you have up to date info to base your statements on.

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:16 PM

Why should i tell you if i have or haven't been to Sidmouth.I know Steve Heap in person.I have done several years of stewarding at festivals and i use to help run a Traditional Folk Music recording company,so eat your words now,Mr Barden.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:27 PM

Guest,

I also know both gentlemen and have never had any problem with either of them.

Both have done their bit for Sidmouth. SH made a business decision to drop out of Sidmouth and John is going to continue supporting it in it's new form.

What are you doing to support it?

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:28 PM

Breton Cap,
Your right its only a week long and all this fuss over one festival its pathetic really in six weeks its all over.
There has been so many threads over one festival is silly,i done Sidmouth for 15 years and a good time i had too.But i still will not put my name to this thread,i dont mind been called names.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:33 PM

Guest,

Yes it has got silly but don't you think that what Guest posters are doing is making it worse.

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:33 PM

I am also in contact with Mr John Dowell by phone.I have done my bit for Sidmouth in previous years.I dont need want to support a festival that would cost me over £300.00 ,i am not into sitting in a marquee,pub session or the fringe bits anymore.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:36 PM

Then you missed the point of what this thread was intended for.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Totally different guest
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:36 PM

Sorry, regular member but signing in as guest on this occasion because I don't really want to get involved with the playground bullies and half wits (You don't scare me, I just can't be bothered with you)

I have a simple request to some guests -please, please, please, sort out your yours and your you'res - it's a terribly basic error and frankly makes you look even sillier than you obviously are.

Thank You.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Yet another one
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:59 PM

You can always tell when it's Lizzie posting under whatever pseudonym as she always puts its' (a non-existent word) whether she means it's or its. She is also unable to distinguish between imply and infer.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:25 PM

Well guys, I'm unable to distinguish between lots of words and their meanings, my Dad was dyslexic, as was my brother, as is my son....I realise that I'm somewhere on that scale too. So what! Dyslexia is an absolute gift.

Where I put my apostrophe SO doesn't worry me! ;0) My son will never understand grammar, but he's a warm, loving and intelligent human being. You either get your knickers in a twist about grammar or you don't. We don't....so seeing you lot doing it on my behalf makes me giggle,

Life is for living! It is SO not for apostrophes!! ;0)

However, what I can distinguish extremely well between is people who are kind and loving and people who are erm....NOT!

The true folk people on the Sidmouth threads have always been easy to see. They are kind and gentle with a deep love of music, tradition and history. They are the ones who give me the encouragement to still believe that this wonderful music that I stumbled upon by coming to live in Sidmouth 5 years ago, is the right music with the right people. They outshine each and every unpleasant 'guest' a thousand times over.

Just got back from the seafront actually. Overcast but beautiful. The sea is still lovely and warm, the tide was out between the rock islands today and the flowers were just looking stunning! The flowers in Blackmore Gardens that is....we haven't quite got round to flowers in the sea yet in Sidmouth! ;0)

Imply? Infer? Oh pifle! Grow up!!

Hey guys, get your noses out of "Eats Shoots & Leaves" and go put on your Oysterband CDs...or CD's.....or even C'D's and boogie on down! ;0) Let go and LIVE!!

Life is so short and I'm surrounded by very elderly people in my town, lovely very elderly people, but it brings it home to you every day that we are only here for such a short time. Don't waste your precious days spitting out ugly thoughts.....just enjoy each and every precious one.

Go listen to Dougie McLean and let his incredible words soothe your soul.

Right then..I'm away...hope you all enjoy your weekend!

Don't let the Trolls wind you up everyone.

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Regular Catter
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 04:27 PM

Breton Cap,

I'm not using my Cat name because I do not want to draw down wrath onto my head.

I'm a regular at Sidmouth and have been for many years. I enjoy the sings, concerts, etc. but find the week generally a fairly lonely experience.

The sings in the Anchor are difficult to attend as they are just so very crowded and it is usually difficult or impossible to grab The Twig. I almost always attend the sings in the Theatre Bar which are usually well run but very, very formal.

But, and this is a very big but, when the sings finish a lone middle-aged female remains just that, a lone middle-aged female.

RC

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 05:09 PM

GUEST of 25 Jun 05 - 12:16 PM - If you know Steve Heap in person, then you'll know that he supports this years Sidmouth, and has said so on many occasions, so what's your gripe? Is it because of the Stewarding situation?
John Barden

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:19 PM

Possibly John Barden has hit the nail on the head over the issue of Guest Trolls - No Steward's tickets, so no free entry to events, so we're not going to play any more!!
All that they have left is to be spiteful and drogatory towards those who are working hard to make the week work.
They are probably the same Stewards who either failed to turn up for duty, were late, or could not otherwise be bothered!
Colyn.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:20 PM

I said earlier,i would not discuss why i got my "gripe"over the festival at 12.16pm as Guest,that is the end of it.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 02:36 AM

Regular Catter,

Yes the Middle Bar sessions can get crowded but you don't need to "grab" the twig. Just be patient and enjoy other peoples songs and eventually the twig will come round to you.

I have attended to Theatre bar sessions too. I see those sessions as having a different (gentler) ethos which those who enjoy quieter sessions. Having said that, Herga Kitty (If she forgives me for mentioning it)as well as leading Theatre Bar sessions is a full participant in the Middle Bar singing.

The point is that there is something for everybody to enjoy. So, if the Anchor is not your scene, enjoy whatever it is you like and have a great week.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:13 AM

Hi Regular Catter,

I have some 45 years experience of folk clubs, singarounds and sessions, and nearly as much of folk festivals.

Festival singarounds are always very crowded, but eventually everyone who expresses the wish to sing DOES get the chance.

There are a couple of useful tips tho'

1. Arrive early. If possible, a little before the start of a session.
The organisers do take note of people who are there before it gets crowded, and that almost guarantees an early chance to perform.

2. Choose your BEST songs. If you impress with your first, they will want to hear you again, and that twig will come back to you at some point.

3. Join in choruses. If you know the song that someone else is singing, and can add to the mix, it is almost like performing yourself, and it shortens the wait till your next opportunity.

Regarding your last comment, I have never met a group of folkies who wouldn't welcome a lone individual into their circle, if they become aware that you are alone. Folkies are, by the very nature of what they do, gregarious. Take any opportunities to talk to the people around you, and I'm sure that you can establish a presence within the group.

I wish you all the best for your experience of Sidmouth this year.
Dive in and enjoy
Don T.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 09:50 AM

Colyn,
I have done main campsite with you on several occasions plus your dogs,so dont use your excuses for stewards not doing there duties.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,One More Guest
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 12:24 PM

I see Lizzie Cornish is intending to do to the English language what she has already done to the careers of several artists and one festival. Couldn't someone do it to her instead and do the rest of the world a favour?

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 12:33 PM

Haven't we tried!!!!!!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 02:39 PM

Hello, thanks for the countdown, Lizzie!

To those who ARE going to sidmouth:
I'd personally like to put faces to the names...
I am assuming that a lot of us are going to the Show of Hands gig on the Thursday evening...
I will be wearing a t-shirt with the following slogan "You say 'Folk' like it's a bad thing" (oh dear, i've already planned my outfit *sob*)
so you can all come and say hi to me! *grins*

Regards
Cat (Catherine Manners: note insertion of full name cos i'm not ashamed of my identity *wink*)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:34 PM

Is David coming too,
How is Victoria street in Plymouth these days.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:55 PM

Cat in Plymouth.
Are you not talking now.
Shame i was going to send you a sympathy card!!!!!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 05:08 PM

Hi Guest (03:34pm)

No, Dad won't be there this year... but he is driving me up there with all my stuff!!

Victoria Road is fine, still there last time i looked out the window *grin*

Regards,
Cat
x

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:06 PM

Hi Catin Plymouth,
Becareful what you say on here.You would not want any unexpected visitors would you.
Scooby

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:45 PM

hi, scooby!

victoria road is very long and i think there're a couple of them in the plymouth area... i don't recall mentioning which specific house it is that i looked out of the window from... so, i think i'm ok, don't you?

Regards,
Cat

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 04:00 AM

Sounds like it,i dont know Plymouth except The Hoe.lol.
Scooby

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,---not 'that one'
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:43 AM

GUEST,

In what capacity do you deal with John Dowell? I'm interested because I cannot see why someone so committed to the new project would give your poison time of day and therefore assume your claim of contact with him to be a lie.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Not that one either
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:28 AM

Not just that one. He reckons he knows Steve Heap...yaeh right! like theyd talk to this loser!!!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:20 AM

Sorry Lizzie, but all the Guests and Anons were not me. I have been in SUNNY BEAUTIFUL Yorkshire for a week and never saw a computer once - except briefly in a library. My 20 year old car and 25 year old caravan performed well (except the car dumped half a litre of antifreeze over my feet at the top of a 1 in 5 hill). Can't complain I suppose - an average of 30+ mpg towing a caravan from an engine that has done 280,000 miles can't be bad. (This is probably about as interesting to you as a woman as most of your posts are to normal people.......)

Anyhow, I have not missed you a bit (well not much anyhow) but I am so glad you survived the storms in Sidmouth. I am told the rain was quite something. The only sensible comments about Folk Week in the last week seem to echo what I said ages ago - buy your tickets now to help the cash flow of the organisers. I am amazed they didn't offer more incentives to get cash in early, but that is their business. Good luck to them. I revised my website before I left and so little has changed that it can stay as it is for now. The latest Sidmouth Herald says that ticket sales are going well - but for which events we ask ourselves??

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:20 AM

Who am I?
I live in Sidmouth,
I claim I know Steve Heap
I claim I know John Dowell
I claim to have had several dealings with the great and good of the folk world and like to name drop in general
I claim to have stewarded for many years once at least with colyn
I have too much time on my hands
I am a prolific electronic writer
I am rude, egotistical, lack interpersonal skills (even when I am not in anonymous mode) and have an over inflated view of the importance of my opinion in the wider world in general.
I search the internet for personal details of women I have never met in order to intimidate them (unsuccessfully)
I have a well known anti Sidmouth 2005 agenda in my various guises, which I write in clumsily disguised, differing written voices in an attempt to cover my trail (unsuccessfully)
I believe that no one will knock on my door in the near future to have a civilised 'chat'

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:34 AM

My post of a few minutes ago was in reply to one from Lizzie several days ago (you might lose the will to live going back through all the recent rubbish to find it) - it started thus:

""From: Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:02 PM

On the other hand Stevie....those 'Guests' might not be you at all....but...how are the Ssss..snakes anyway?""


and continued for a long time........

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:50 AM

"Who am I?"

Don't think I want to know!

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 12:02 PM

Methinks Steve doth protest too much

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Good Grief
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 01:12 PM

Good Grief!

I've just arrived at mudcat and cannot believe what I am reading.

What is it with you guys (and girls)?

If anyone is unsure about whether to visit Sidmouth this year a visit to this messageboard is 100% certain to drive them away.

I came looking for decent advice on what Sidmouth is really like.

I've never been before and having read all the messages here I certainly will not be attending this year either.

Your extraordinarily petty bickering has driven this potential customer away.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM

Oh dear, "Good Grief" - and anyone else chancing on this thread and reacting with horror and amazement - PLEASE don't let all the 'extraordinary bickering' put you off coming.

There are lots of positive people planning on being at Sidmouth, who know they will have a good time and who would love to share it with you, too. I'm one of them.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 05:49 PM

Well all I know is that there will be some bloody good music all over the town - Unaccompanied singing with The Middle Bar in the Anchor , twice a day , a good mixed session in the New Tavern , again , twice a day , The English Tune in the Radway , ALL sorts of things in The Bedford , an excellent relaxed Singaround in the Art Centre , The Volunteer , The Swan as well as the 'To Be Paid For' events . I will be arriving Friday afternoon for the week and will welcome ANY Catters to The Newt !

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: steve_harris
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:15 PM

"Oh dear, "Good Grief" - and anyone else chancing on this thread and reacting with horror and amazement - PLEASE don't let all the 'extraordinary bickering' put you off coming"

Don't worry, Sue, it's just a passing troll. There is one or possibbly two of these trolls who have posted the same ballad as "guests" rather than the rather poor floorspots they are. The song goes:

I am a perfectly ordinary member of the public
I just happened to drop in on this forum
I notice some robust argument which I shall be offended by
I announce that it has persueded me not to go to Sidmouth

Chorus: Yaa boo sucks!

No, it doesn't scan or rhyme very well.

Norway, Null points

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:41 PM

From reading tonight's Express and Echo it appears that the Late Night Extra is doubtful as those organising are having licensing problems. More news later this week.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cllr
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:43 PM

steve Shhhhhhh you will point out how Bleedin' obvious the trolls are, although I have to admit I was nearyl fooled by that last one ("good grief" please try again, this time with more capital letters -(it stands out more)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:48 PM

OK, Steve, so maybe I was fooled. The trouble is, there are people who do 'chance upon' a thread like this and who are disturbed by it. I know - I've talked to several.

I also know, like Leadfingers says, that there'll be some bloody good music all over the town. You'll find me in the Middle Bar, the Volunteer, the Arts Centre and... and... and... and the Anchor Gardens Ceilidh and dancing with Herbaceous Border on the Esplanade every evening at 6.0. along with anyone else who wants to join in.

And I know I'll have a great time.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Good Grief
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 02:46 AM

In answer to Steve & Sue, I am genuine and am not one of your trolls as you call them.

My expression of amazement above was also genuine.

You may find it hard to believe but there are genuine lovers of traditional music out here who have not visited Sidmouth before, who have been thinking of visting this year, and who have then been put off when reading the quite extraordinary postings about Sidmouth on mudcat and other messageboards.

I am tempted to reveal my identity. You may know me as a singer in northern folk clubs over several years but it's probably best I remain anonymous lest I suffer the same personal attacks addressed to others on this board.

Don't be surprised people remain as 'Guests' when you read the abuse directed at those who put their heads above the parapet.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:14 AM

I don't think Good Grief should be put off by some of the people who post here- after all, if they are the only ones in Sidmouth it will be a small gathering indeed.

I won't be there myself this year- I can't afford the time off, I'll be on the boat just beforehand and I tend to prefer that these days when it comes to a straight choice.

But this year could well be more relaxed than previously- it's expected to be smaller, which means less pressure on campsites and pubs. Last time I was there, turning up as a last minute decision, I had to camp at the caravan site a couple of miles west along the coast, which made for a long stagger home in the dark. But it was worth every step, trip, slip, bruise and bramble scratch. I almost gave up my solipsism.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:30 AM

I love Steve Harris!!! :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0)

Lizzie ;0)