BS: History repeating itself.

Subject: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 05:42 PM

Just watched Mike Leigh's "Peterloo". Some liberties taken but a genuinely brilliant piece. What struck me most was the discussions had by the magistrates concerning the "rabble". I could see BoJo's cabinet, aka the authors of "Brittania Unchained", repeating them. How have we got to the situation where workers rights have gone 200 years back?

Ok. Exaggeration. But not much :-(

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 07:46 PM

Must catch up with that...

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 09:37 PM

Just noticed it's on Prime...

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 01:57 AM

For me, there was something about the film that didn't quite work. Certainly there were scenes and moments like the attitudes of the justices and magistrates which struck deep chords, but when the film had ended the overall effect was not that this was an involving account of one of the most significant events in the history of workers' rights. It was much too emotionally flat and uninvolving to have that effect on me.

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 03:24 AM

"Mike Leigh's "Peterloo"."
One of the great films of all times for me, recently surpassed only by 'The Young Karl Marx' with its brilliant depictions of Manchester at time Engles was writing his 'Conditions of the Working Class in England' (based largely in Salford)
Not sure about Maxine Peake's (fairly high on my list of favourite actors) attempts at the vernacular, but apart from that....... grrrreat
Both films deal with the nuts and bolts of their subjects in some detail, which doesn't always make for easy watching, but well worth persevering with - I've long come to the conclusions that films such as these merit a second watching
Would there were more subjects treated as well
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 04:13 AM

I know what you mean, DMcG, and a bit more on the lives of the ordinary folk may have been better. On the other hand, there has been ample depictions of how things were for the lower orders before. What made this for me was how the upper echelons were shown as absolute bastards. They still are, hence the thread title. There were exceptions of course. Henry Hunt being one. One good thing came out of the whole sorry mess. It ruined the political career of William Hulton and paved the way for reformers such as Bright and Cobden.

Sadly we have forgotten the lessons learned then and now have a cabinet full of Hulton's ready to appoint new Joe Nadins to do their bidding. Today's equivalent of Bright and Cobden are demonised by the press and people are still falling for it. I despair at times!

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 04:45 AM

Hey Jim, Maxine Peake is a rock-solid northerner, educated in Westhoughton and Bolton, did her theatre training in Bolton too, one-time team member of Wigan ladies' rugby league team and one-time member of the Salford communist party branch. She's back living in Salford now. She's a damn fine socialist and mighty supporter of Corbyn to boot. I have yet to see the film but I somehow can't see her with those credentials struggling with the vernacular!

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 05:31 AM

They were in my town for a couple of weeks filming. I walked my dog around the area where the filming was taking place most days, hoping to see a star or two - no such luck! Saw lots of technical-looking types, some extras, but not much else.

I’ve not seen the movie yet, but it will be interesting trying to spot bits I recognise.

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 05:32 AM

"Maxine Peake is a rock-solid northerner, educated in Westhoughton and Bolton,"
I know she is Steve - I've always loved her accent (even as Titania in Midsummer Night's Dream)
I had no problems with the accent - just her use of working class vernacular, which oi thowt weere summat owerdone - for me, it jarred a little
As far as I'm concerned, she's forgiven everything because of the good things she's written about MacColl
She can come and scrub my back any day

I have to say the clash between Bamford and Hunt took me somewhat by surprise - one of the things I learned from the film
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 05:51 AM

Forever THERESA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 06:05 AM

Bonzo - :-D

You have a sense of humour at least :-)

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 06:08 AM

"You have a sense of humour at least :-)"
You MAY be right
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 06:08 AM

Make no mistake, I do not like this johnson extremist government, with the possible exception of Sajid Javid who my wife met recently, and being a Northlands Girl (Buenos Aires), recognises a bad guy!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 06:18 AM

Thank you, Bonzo. We may be on opposite sides of the political fence but we can agree that extremism at either end of the scale is wrong. Of course we will disagree about where the extreme is on the left hand side but let's leave that for another day :-)

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 06:19 AM

I’m starting to think Bonzo might have some saving graces. And a fellow D-18 owner can’t be all bad... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 06:20 AM

And as for Mogg, I wonder if he keeps his jacket and waistcoat on when shagging!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 07:14 AM

Jacob “Call Me Jake” Rich-Mong’s first move..

Good to see he’s straight down to the important issues...Trade deals with Abyssinia, Cathay, and Mesopotamia next? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 08:12 AM

And of course Persia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 08:22 AM

How did I forget Persia? Or Ceylon? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 19 - 03:36 AM

A very wise Scotsman once told me "History doesn't repeat itself - only its mistakes"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jul 19 - 09:01 AM

I was reading Moogie's missive to his staff team about his language requirements in written correspondence. It just about fell short of having to refer to countries by thier British colonial names.

Subject: RE: BS: History repeating itself.
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jul 19 - 10:49 AM

Silly question - so don't his office staff have a union shop steward they can get to suggest
where he stuffs his idiotic unreasonable archaic rules...???

Surely "F@ck off !!!" is old enough a phrase he can recognise...