BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day

Subject: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: GUEST,Hecate
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 05:22 PM

I don't know how many followers of mundane and political astrology inhabit this forum, so I thought I would put a toe in the water to see.

For those who aren't quite sure what mundane astrology is, Wikipedia has a good entry on it.

The upcoming US Election Day, November 4, 2008, will be quite significant in mundane astrological terms.

Here is a nice overview of the series of transits involved, which will take us from November '08 through July of 2010:

http://www.astrology21.co.uk/c1saturnuranus.html

Because this is such a long, drawn out series of transits including slow moving outer planets, there is some disagreement as to whether we will see authentic change in the 2008 elections, the 2010 elections, or the 2012 elections, when the series of transits finishes and we find ourselves fully immersed in the new paradigm.

One aspect of this transit series is it's contact w/the planets most associated with the traditional feminine energies in Western astrology, suggesting there may yet be a significant theme involving a specific woman or women in general in November, even though we now know Clinton is out. It might manifest itself as women voting as a bloc in some way, for instance, or perhaps Michelle Obama as the first African American First Lady.

Some astrologers view Saturn as representing the Republicans, and Uranus representing the Democrats.

Other astrologers, some of the Uranian school especially, are viewing Saturn as both the traditional parties, and Uranus as anti-establishment, third parties, or independent candidates.

Anyone care to seriously discuss this interesting alignment of the planets on Election Day?

And please, I respectfully ask people with no interest in the subject, or who find it silly, to refrain from posting to the thread with the express purpose of mocking or deriding astrology and/or those of us with an interest in it.

Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: MarkS
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 06:43 PM

OK I won't post

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 07:01 PM

It deserves to be mocked, but I'll do as you wish and stay away

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 07:06 PM

I am inclined to support the Uranus class, myself. But I don't know what it says.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 07:40 PM

*grin*, Amos...I kinda agree.

Whether one does, or does not, take astrology seriously, there are enough hedges and 'maybes' in those suppositions to predict almost any outcome.

*sitting on hands, lest I say more*

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Alice
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 07:53 PM

a strike against free speech thread. That's what I'd call this. A message telling skeptics, don't post if you don't agree. Well, here is my one post.

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 08:22 PM

Hecate, there don't appear to be many members of this forum who are interested in astrology.

Although you can count me as one person who is interested in this subject, I usually decline to discuss it on this forum because I have found that there rarely are serious discussions.

However, let me say that, with regard to the upcoming US Presidential election, one placement that I believe is already influential, and will continue to be highly influential is Pluto in Capricorn.

There are many online articles about this placement. Here's a link to one of them:
http://www.astrodynamics.net/Articles/Pluto-in-Capricorn.htm

**

Positive vibrations,

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 08:50 PM

Bullying is what I call it and Azizi has it right. I am interested, too, but rarely discuss it here for the obvious reasons above, which really pisses me off, at times.

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 11:56 PM

An (ass trolls illogical) forcasts by star charts.

Don H - king of the one post thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: mg
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 02:21 AM

I am interested in it but totally ignorant. I had my chart done once. I am a Cancer with a couple of other cancers in it and I think some Leos...mg

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 12:13 AM

As somone who is supposed to be ruled by Uranus, I've always been skeptical...

I'm not making this up you know...

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: rehab13
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM

Way to go          so very happy to hear from you I am in the middle of 10 things   I would love to stay in touch can you pm me I will get back to you in about two weeks when I have time Hecate   anyone else Only true believers need write thank you for respecting   me   as I do you.
I am a scorpio leo asc,moon in aries,jupiter in sag, venus in libra retro, I think.
Thanks for coming out    Now here I go I believe that when we are coming in this time we chose everything planets we are under also.
Smart men see diff   Wise men see similarities. We are all in school of life    let everyone be and believe what they want      I was born in 1948 I know who, and what I am so    so ---------------
I know I am just another Ego trying to rise above the prison of my personality .   not trying to take any prisoners So dont waste your time. Telling me which prison of positions and beliefs you are in
Just looking for like mined people.

dee

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 04:31 AM

.. refrain from posting to the thread with the express purpose of mocking or deriding astrology

I don't think I am doing either of those when I raise the question of what you mean by a "forecast of US Election Day". To my mind, such a forecast would be a statement made now that on the day after the election you be able to say did or did not happen. As Bill D said, there are enouch 'if's and 'maybe's in what was said that I can't see anything I would personally call a forecast of the election.

- my one post, I think -

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: goatfell
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 06:03 AM

what a load of crap, they had a meeting of claveroients, but was cancelled through unforseen situtions, as the fortune teller says I didn't see that coming

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 12:34 PM

The Swiss website Astrodienst is arguably the very best astrology resource on the planet today. Several threads about the US election have been running on this board for quite awhile now. Not being American myself, I haven't exactly scrutinized them but no doubt you'll find thought-provoking info and interpretations there, courtesy of novice and professional astrologers alike.

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: GUEST,Hecate
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 07:58 AM

When I refer to a forecast I mean the alignment of the heavens at a particular time/place/day, and what patterns the heavenly bodies are creating in the sky in relation to one another.

Thank you for that link daylia. I use that site frequently, but don't use the board.

I view astrology as an ancient art, not a modern science. It harms no one, so I've never been able to understand the vituperative reaction some people have to it.

I don't believe astrology tells you who wins, even though I know some people believe it does.

There are Democrats who say they will win and Republicans who say they will win, based upon no other information than "it is what I believe" so I see "believing in" astrology to be no more or less odd than "believing" the Democrat/Republican will win based upon the belief system of the hocus pocus pundits and pollsters. Turn on any cable news channel obsessing over the elections, and it makes astrology look like rocket science.

It isn't like there aren't plenty of deluded thinkers in this world, who cling to far more dangerous belief systems--like believing in the American political process, for instance--than astrology.

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 02:21 PM

It isn't like there aren't plenty of deluded thinkers in this world, who cling to far more dangerous belief systems--like believing in the American political process, for instance--than astrology.

You are completely right, Hecate. There are sooo many. A wonderful book from last year called The Great Derangement, Matt Taibbi, describes two major camps of delusion -- the camp of the "(-11 Truthers" and the gyrations of certain extreme Christian sects in Texas.

The American political process, however, is not delusory, just flawed.

Astrology? Well, it is an intricate system of pseudo metrics, but I am skeptical, never having seen a serious study of correlations that could be called empirical, or even predictable in terms of individual affect or prognosis. But perhaps I just haven't done enough homework? I kinda doubt that the disposition of large bodies of matter far, far away is going to be a key configuration in the formation of individuality, though.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: GUEST,WileyC
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 02:38 PM

Summer doldrums and boredom got to you, eh Amos?

Have fun kicking the sleeping dog, anyway!

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 02:52 PM

Ruuuuufff!!



:D



A

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: *daylia*
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 03:05 PM

Oh well. Must be a boring day in the cosmos all round. Why else would NASA post a pic of people dancing (!!??!!) instead of the usual magnificent astronomical wonders?

Many humans on Earth exhibit periods of happiness, and one method of displaying happiness is dancing. Happiness and dancing transcend political boundaries and occur in practically every human society.... Happiness is frequently contagious -- few people are able to watch the above video without smiling

hohum :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 11:12 AM

Didn't the election already take place?

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 11:29 AM

There are so many effective ways and tricks to seduce men, sunnyjones, that if you wrote them all down, you'd end up with a book about 3 feet thick! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Astrological Forecast of US Election Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 02:21 PM

Amos, I think many politicians are truly delusional.