BS: Bush Kills Miranda?

Subject: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 11:22 PM

No, not Carmen Miranda. The 'Miranda decision' of the Supreme court. GWBush sent his Solicitor General to argue that the Miranda ruling applies only to 'self' incrimination. You can have information beaten, shot and tortured out of you by police, as long as it is only used to incriminate others.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1202-08.htm

So, will the Supreme Court that appointed Bush 'President' go along with a police-torture state?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: 12-stringer
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 12:03 AM

Sure -- what the hell, it will only be used for the good of the State and the safety of the Public. Won't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 12:29 AM

There is a more up to date article near the end of this page: clickety

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Troll
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 10:07 AM

Once again the "loyal" opposition cries foul.
It's nothing new folks. Miranda has been argued by both sides since its inception.
This is simply the latest in a long line of disputes pro and con re. Miranda. I seriously doubt that a finding for Sgt. Chavez will usher in the reign of terror so gleefully anticipated by the liberal establishment.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 10:09 AM

Heck, if the entire 5th Ammendment has been run thru the crusher, why get all upset about the details, such as Miranda.

Why are Bush, Ashcroft, et al doing this? Because they think they can get away with it, that's why! And they're not going to stop here. As long as the right winged media contiunes to connive and conspire with the Bush regime and lie to the American prople about Bush's approval rates, the American people, who are too busy either consuming or trying to pay off their credit card debts, aren't going to give *one thought* to the erosion of democracy and liberty.

They will eventually get it but it may be too late.

My fellow countrymen who have their heads burried in the sand, make me sick. Now is the time to resist and let Bush know in no uncertain terms that the American people expect him to deliver our country back to us when it's time to leave and that we don't like dictators...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 11:04 AM

Don't know who the loyal opposition is. I hated Clinton and I hate Bush. They are the same. No, Bush is MORE liberal than Clinton. Clinton could only rule by executive order because congress was watching him, but Bush is Federalizing education, law enforcement, religion, etc. with the help of congress AND by executive order.

Barbara Boxer is in favor of arming airline pilots but Bush is AGAINST it. Liberal FOR giving the people flying hundreds of passengers a firearm, 'conservative' AGAINST it. Bush is against it because armed pilots could stop events like Sept. 11, and the Bush Company can't have that.

Wake up. You've put a murderous, unelected regime in the White House, and it is trying to kill you and your family.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 12:02 PM

Well, GUEST, Impeach Bush, hate to split hairs with you but the folks who put Bush in the White House were those part of the *conspiracy*: lo0ts of lawyers and then more lawyers, paid *goon squads* to harrass precinct workers and a corrupt Supreme Court...

The one's I'm concerned about are the folks who are willy-nilly going along with anything that BUSH does because either they are afraid to be branded *unpatriotic* or because they are too busy working on Boss Hog's assemble lines to pay Boss Hog's credit card companies. Something about an unfavorable income-to-debt ratio that effects lots of folks courage.

And another thing that bugs me. As a working guy who pays a lot of taxes relative to Boss Hog, I resnt so many millions of tax dollars going to *Public Relations* companies to manipulate the masses. Something very evil about this...

Speaking of taxes and PR, Bopss Hog is getting to unleash a new campaign to shift less tax burden away from himself and more onto the middle class. This outta be some interesting PR work, but right now there are way too many folks waiting for their cup of coolaid, like the folks in Jones Town who followed blindlessly to their deaths...

End of mini-rant...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 05:49 PM

Yeah but now the conservatives are going to suffer. Let's see how they like it. Hitler killed those who put him into power (Night of the Long Knives...he killed 30,000 brownshirts I believe), and that is about to happen to the conservative, white, church-goers who supported Bush.

Already, Connie Chung interviewed a reporter who 'discovered' the Michigan Militia was training with al Qaeda in Ecuador in the mid 1980's. To show how lazy the effort was, the Michigan later released a statement pointing out it wasn't founded until the mid 1990's. But the first connection was made...to just pave the way for later 'revelations'.

So, the government-controlled media is already gearing up to connect the right-wing with al Qaeda. But something like only 5% of Americans watch the news, and that news is filtered through people like Chung. And the Republicans are ESPECIALLY brain-dead right now because they 'won' that long Florida episode, so anything said against Bush is just sour grapes while he kills the Constitution publicly and prepares to initiate a draft to fight a 'perpetual war' his father contrived.

We're being played like bongos.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 06:37 PM

By 4 a.m., Monday, July 2, the bloody purge had ended. The exact number of murders is unknown since all Gestapo documents relating to the purge were destroyed. Estimates vary widely from 200 or 250, to as high as 1,000 or more. Less than half of those murdered were actually SA officers. Just for the sake of accuracy, and because I thought the ImpeachBush number was awfully high...
Ebbie

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 08:08 PM

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0211/07/cct.00.html

CHUNG: And what did they consist of? Were they people that are now identifiable or prospective terrorists?

JUNGER: He's identified them, including American right-wing extremists who are down there, who have been down there since the mid- '80s.

CHUNG: You mean Aryan Nations?

JUNGER: Yes, Aryan Nations, MICHIGAN MILITIA, photos and names of these guys. One was ex-special forces.

CHUNG: An ex-special forces?

JUNGER: Yes, Vietnam era.

That is not unheard of. There was an ex-special forces American soldier who was providing security for bin Laden in Sudan in '94, I believe it was. So, that kind of crossover from sort of alienated American military or right-wing extremists is not unheard of.

He has identified these men to me. The U.S. government, of course, is quite careful about what they confirm and don't confirm. So I haven't gotten anything back from this side. But there's an enormous amount of evidence that this activity is happening.

CHUNG: I guess the burning question -- and just in the last 15 seconds -- is: Do you know of any specific potential terrorist attack against the United States based on this Argentinian's information?

JUNGER: Well, a contact of his who was trained in these al Qaeda training camps says that he has been monitoring meetings they've had in the past month about attacks in the U.S. I've also had that confirmed from other intelligence sources. So, it really looks like something is happening down there.

CHUNG: So frightening.

Thank you.

JUNGER: Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Dec 02 - 08:11 PM

BEWARE THE LEADER WHO BANGS THE DRUMS OF WAR IN ORDER TO WHIP THE CITIZENRY INTO A PATRIOTIC FERVOR, FOR PATRIOTISM IS A TWO EDGED SWORD. IT BOTH EMBOLDENS THE BLOOD, JUST AS IT NARROWS THE MIND. AND, WHEN THE DRUMS OF WAR HAVE REACHED A FEVER PITCH AND THE BLOOD BOILS WITH HATE AND THE MIND HAS CLOSED, THE LEADER WILL HAVE NO NEED IN SEIZING THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENRY.
RATHER, THE CITIZENRY, INFUSED WITH FEAR AND BLINDED BY PATRIOTISM, WILL OFFER UP ALL OF THEIR RIGHTS UNTO THE LEADER AND GLADLY SO. HOW DO I KNOW? FOR THIS IS WHAT I HAVE DONE. AND I AM CAESAR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Troll
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 03:17 AM

BARBARA BOXER wants to arm airline pilots?
What is your source for this astounding turnaround in policy. Boxer would like to disarm the ARMY for petes sake. Cite your source, please.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 10:53 AM

Do a www.google.com search for 'arm airline pilots boxer' and you come up with all kinds of stuff. Here's one...

http://cf.alpa.org/internet/news/2002news/nr02082.html

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In response to the overwhelming 87-6 vote in favor of the Boxer-Smith Amendment to the pending Homeland Security legislation (HR 5005), Captain Duane E. Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, released the following statement:...etc.

(I need to research...see if this actually made it into the Homeland Security Bill. Bush said he'd veto the whole bill if pilots were allowed to be armed. Sept. 11 couldn't have gone off as planned if the pilots had been armed. So Bush wants no guns in the cockpit. 95% of Americans in one poll shortly after 9-11 thought doing what Israel's el Al airlines does sounded reasonable...double barricade the cockpit doors and arm the pilots. But Bush is ADAMANT on this issue. Why? Yeah, even anti-gun Boxer is in favor of it. Sponsored the amendment.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: NicoleC
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 12:03 PM

Yep, Troll. Boxer hasn't been acting herself lately.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 02:35 PM

I couldn't find any mention of it on Boxer's website, but did not dig deeply into her archives.

One can read the amendment itself near the bottom of this page.

Also, in this article it says, in part: Meanwhile, the White House expressed some reservation about the passage of the Senate measure, even though President Bush publicly reversed himself earlier this week and said he would back a trial program that sought to arm around 1,400 – or 2 percent – of airline pilots. .

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 03:46 PM

Exactly. Two percent. Most airline pilots are ex-military, trained in small arms and are handling hundreds of lives anyway when they fly. So why does Bush want to limit the 'test' program to two percent? And from what I've read, the demands to be made, as far as additional training hours, are so ridiculous that most pilots won't want to bother. So WHY is Bush against this?

The Y2K noise was a hoax. It was a way for FEMA to gain control of all FCC-controlled radio and TV outlets. There is now a 'FEMA box' in all major electronic media outlets. Installed there because of 'uncertainty' leading up to Y2K. And not removed after. If Dan Rather strays from the script at all, he can be cut off in mid-sentence.

So, just like in the Banana Republics, where the revolutionaries seize control of the radio station and then the airfield when they stage a coup, the CIA-controlled government has now seized control of our airwaves. Next, the airports. Which is what's going on now. GWBush CANNOT allow pilots to be armed, or he will get another ass-kicking like he did from the 'pretzel'. You don't mess with the monied powers driving this takeover of America. Our airports MUST remain vulnerable in order to justify armed military in them.

Next will be the roadways, and 20 states have already announced 'safety checkpoints' during this Christmas. 'Show us your papers, please'. Random searches of cars, etc. Un-American and unconstitutional...already tested in the Supreme Court.

A fledgling Nazi government is on the ground in America, and we still, at this point in time, have a say as to whether it lives or dies. But we won't have that option much longer if people don't question things like WHY DOESN'T GW BUSH WANT PILOTS ARMED?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: DougR
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 04:10 PM

You are Caesar? What happened to Kendall?

:>)

Bobert: I have it on pretty good authority that the Justice Department is very close to jumping right down your chimney! You better watch out, better not pout, better not cry I'm telling you why ...Ashcroft is coming to town!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 04:17 PM

There is now a 'FEMA box' in all major electronic media outlets. cite your source, please

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 06:09 PM

Thanks fir tippin' me off, Doug. I'll keep a fire in the fireplace...

And congrates on holdin' up on yer vow to be a "sweeter" Dougie. How's about extending it 'til Haley's Comet comes 'round again...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 06:18 PM

Hey, friend, you live in a scary world. Frankly, I'm glad you are not my neighbor. Is it Limbaugh's counterpart you are listening to? Take a d e e p breath...

Next will be the roadways, and 20 states have already announced 'safety checkpoints' during this Christmas. 'Show us your papers, please'.

The 'checkpoints' have been instituted at holidays and heavy drinking days for many years. Constitutional or not, they catch a lot of drinking drivers that way.

I've never been asked for "papers".

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: rangeroger
Date: 25 Dec 02 - 02:28 AM

The last time I was asked for papers at one of those checkpoints,I only had a pipe.

rr

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 25 Dec 02 - 07:24 AM

Lts of paranoia exposed here. The Miranda "law' only postpones and adds to legal costs. Ernest Miranda finally got the 20-30 years that he deserved for his crime.
There is yet to be a finding in the Chavez case. Whether Miranda applies is questionable.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Kills Miranda?
From: GUEST,Impeach Bush
Date: 25 Dec 02 - 10:28 AM

Source on the FEMA thing:

http://www.ncs.gov/n5_hp/Customer_Service/XAffairs/NewService/NCS9833.htm

The EAS places at the President's disposal the Nation's multi-billion dollar broadcast and cable industries, which include more than 14,000 radio and television stations and 11,000 cable systems serving over 33,000 communities. EAS must be available to the President within 10 minutes (using normal activation procedures) from any area in the country...

And you folks seem to miss the point. This isn't Nazi Germany. You don't have to 'show your papers' to a cop. Only if you've been stopped for a violation of the law. The Supreme Court has said so, but people are so uninformed that they never question it. Well, now it's about to catch up with you. These are not 'sobriety stops' I'm talking about. They're random searches. Has nothing to do with DUI or terrorism. Cops are being trained by the Feds to harrass you. The money for local law is now being tied to it. You're being conditioned to accept police-state behavior. Say no at the checkpoints, or your kids will live and die in slave-labor camps.