BS: Pathetic goading

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 12:28 PM

Oh?..We're back to deleting posts...Too bad, they were getting to close!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 01:51 PM

Getting to close what?

The minds of Goofus and Akenaton were never open in the first place.

I get the gist of pond scum, but to me that means surface organisms. Let's not forget the bottom feeders. They both have, by their contributions to various threads, a fascination with bottoms.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 03:45 PM

No posts deleted, no names called.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 03:54 PM

Ake, Stilly was not name-calling, she was translating.

Two countries divided by a common language.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 05:16 PM

Akenaton speaks neither as both countries promote equality regardless of race, gender and sexual orientation.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 07:40 PM

I think I know what Stilly said Don.
Perhaps a little joke? I'm sure there was no REAL malice intended.

But moderators should not undermine their position by making remarks which could be misconstrued as vicious insults.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 12:56 AM

Members who fight all of the time are in no position to dictate to the referees, akenaton. Your interpretation is flawed. Leave it at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 12:46 PM

DF: "Two countries divided by a common language."

SRS: "Members who fight all of the time are in no position to dictate to the referees...."

That's so IRONIC, that the very guy that these two hold up, is Saul Alinsky's cornerstone for his 12 rules for radical activists....and then Musket turns around and says, "Akenaton speaks neither as both countries promote equality..."

EQUALITY????!!??...Is that the point of DIVIDING?????

that's the problem with 'so-called intellectuals...they become increasingly boring hypocrites!!

Being as Saul Alinsky Tactics RELY on "finding every crack and driving a wedge into it"...here is his tactical rules for bullshit!!

"Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals

Here is the complete list from Alinsky.

* RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
* RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
* RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
* RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
* RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
* RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
* RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
* RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
* RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)"

Boy can you see the feeble attempts by our resident wannabes??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 01:48 PM

I'll have a pint of what he's on

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 03:23 PM

The difference between the left and the right is that the left want to
help most of humanity. The right just want to help themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 04:21 PM

I say liberate yourself from the chains of political dogma be it left or right it is no different than being a slave to the dogma of religion. Be a free thinker.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 04:42 PM

I'd rather be a thinker. You may have trouble with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 05:34 PM

Who the hell is Saul Alinsky? Never heard of him.

I'm hardly a "radical." I'm a Classic Liberal--no relation to a "so-called liberal," no matter how many times Paul E. Parrot squawks the expression.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 07:08 PM

"550 metric tonnes of Yellow Cake Uranium" are only a WMD if you drop it on one of those buses with no roof! LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 07:12 PM

>>Now, you said: "...Bush who went to war using the falsified information regarding Saddam trying to purchase Yellow Cake from Niger.." after saying that the presence of such material was not important. So why can it possibly be important to have tried to get more?<<<

Because they already had 550 metric tonnes that they were not using?

LOLOLOLOLOL and HAHAHAHA!

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 03:26 PM

DF: "Who the hell is Saul Alinsky? Never heard of him."

Well there goes your notion of being politically 'well read' (read: literate!)

GfS

P.S. He's the guy who wrote the TACTICS for bringing socialistic changes, while not relying on the truth....just tactics...look him up, you'll drool with delight....though looking up Beethoven would be a better exercise!

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 03:48 PM

Not my cuppa, Goofus. Obviously yours, however.

I've always found facts and the truth to be the most powerful and persuasive arguments. Especially to the sane and intelligent.

But whatever turns your crank, Goofy....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 05:01 PM

Seems like one of those old trendy "catch-all" type of lists, gfs,of the type promoted in more recent years by the likes of Oprah.

I seem to recall reading about this "somewhat confused guy" awhile back, when he was promoting Lucifer, and stating that when he died he prefered to go to hell, versus heaven, as he could better advise folks on how to be radicals there (and, I am not saying heaven, or hell exists or not).

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 05:48 PM

DF: "I've always found facts and the truth to be the most powerful and persuasive arguments. Especially to the sane and intelligent."

When I think of Beethoven verses political activism, One can only be reminded that Austria and Germany have had lots of zealots on both sides of the spectrum, 'left' or 'right', Monarchs, Kaisers, several wars and political overhauls...and each time they were accompanied, with sincere and not-so-sincere activists....only to be overturned, by the next bunch, cut from the same cookie cutter, right?

Beethoven's music has outlasted ALL of them....unchanged!!
What is it that he was 'listening to', within him, that reached into the 'eternal'???.....or at least relative eternal, when compared to all the shit you political know-it-alls, think you know so much about?

I''d rather dial into what he was talking about.

GfS

P.S. WWII Nazi Germany was defeated, but Fascism survived, and you, and resembling ilk, though sincerely denying it, are still trying to promote it, though I'm convinced that it's presentation is well disguised....and though you might 'get it up' to be sincere, you're sincerely wrong....

....Ask Ludwig

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 06:08 PM

Nice post Sanity, I think you've hit on something very important with your music analogy.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 06:51 PM

Nasty Germany was a fact, whose government embraced a particular ideology, not an ideology in and of itself—and it was defeated in World War II. Yes, Fascism still exists—it's an idea or body of ideas, and it will be around as long as there are human beings who want to lord it over everybody else. It's one of a number of totalitarian ideas, and ideas don't die out, as long as there are people around who embrace them.

Classical Liberalism doesn't want to lord it over anyone. It is the very antithesis of Fascism, seeking to leave everyone free to make his or her own choices and seek their own destinies, as long as they do not impinge on the freedom of others to do the same.

That's not the same thing as Capitalism, which is an economic theory whose goal has always been to maximize profit no matter what it has to do. Unrestrained (unregulated) Capitalism almost invariably leads to Fascism, in which big business and the government are the same.

See Benito Mussolini and his description of the "fasces," from which Fascism derives its name—and his explanation of why this symbolizes the relationship—or sameness—between corporations and government.

(Once again I whistle into the wind, attempting to educate the uneducable.)

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, composers and musicians are not above holding unattractive political or social views. Richard Wagner, for example, was very much a German nationalist, and he was a raving anti-Semite. That didn't keep him from writing some pretty magnificent music—but—that does not absolve him from being a pretty damned nasty person.

P. P. S. And although Beethoven was one of the greatest composers who ever lived (and you seem to be trying to equate yourself with Beethoven), he, also, was a very nasty person, especially toward other musicians and composers. Talented, by all means. But a real surly bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 07:08 PM

Gfs, the Monarchy has out lasted very much in England....but, what does that prove? I suspect not much beyond people seem like having them around.

I suspect you are looking for patterns from a broad spectrum of unrelated factors, to prove some type of theory you have? IMO, this type of approach is an unlikely route to arrive at either a "fact" or any "truth", that would hold much water beyond what you have somehow conjured up "in some type of odd fashion".

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 07:41 PM

It is thought by the politically naïve that Fascism and Communism are opposite ends of the spectrum. But for all practical purposes, there was damned little difference between Germany and Russia during the latter part of the first half of the last century.

And there is little practical difference between a concentration camp and a gulag.

Oh, yes! Hitler and Stalin trimmed their moustaches differently....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 10:03 PM

DF: "Nasty Germany was a fact, whose government embraced a particular ideology, not an ideology in and of itself—and it was defeated in World War II. Yes, Fascism still exists—it's an idea or body of ideas..."

And: "Classical Liberalism doesn't want to lord it over anyone. It is the very antithesis of Fascism, seeking to leave everyone free to make his or her own choices and seek their own destinies, as long as they do not impinge on the freedom of others to do the same."

" "Classical Liberalism doesn't want to lord it over anyone. It is the very antithesis of Fascism, seeking to leave everyone free to make his or her own choices ..."

Yeah like all the 'choices we are FREE to make under Obamacare??..or face penalties??

'Liberalism' today, favors national socialism, right?...

Nazism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist
The full name of Adolf Hitler's party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party).
....and isn't is strangely coincidental, that the die-hard 'so-called liberals' on another current running thread, are all VERY MUCH anti-Semitic??...How many more 'coincidence' does it take to see that the corporate/banksters in collusion with the government, own, and propagate the very propaganda that the 'so-called liberals' are expounding today?...Though it is veiled as for 'everyone's well being'?
Get serious!...How stupid and blind to require all your 'followers' to be???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 11:04 PM

Goofball, how the hell do you come with some of this stuff? Certainly not by any depth of analysis or knowledge of political theory--and practice.

Hopeless....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 11:35 PM

Liberalism does not mean anarchy. NOR does it equate with "National Socialism." If you think that, you're even more ignorant that I ever suspected.

The Affordable Care Act was subject to a VOTE, signed into law by President Obama, and approved by a ruling of the Supreme Court.

Educate yourself, Goofball. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act.

Also http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/.

It allows people who were previously unable to get health insurance to do so. And it requires insurance companies to cover people they previously turned down (for various reasons, such as a pre-existing condition).

It's called the Democratic Process. You don't like this?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 14 - 11:57 PM

GfS is a moron troll who self-promotes as some kind of musical genius whilst spouting tea party talking points couched in the "they all do it" fallacy. Move along. Nothing to see here folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 12:12 AM

Right, Guest. I've got to stop getting sucked into attempts to inform and educate this black hole of ignorance and nincompoopery.

Bloody hopeless!!

His political view, if it can be called that, is "they're all a bunch of crooks," thinking that this absolves him from the responsibility of having to think, analyse, choose, and vote. So when others are going to the polls and exercising their democratic rights and responsibilities, he sneers at them and goes out for a beer.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 12:15 AM

"It's called the Democratic Process. You don't like this?"
Oh so true! It has replaced the democratic process which refers to all the people, irrespective of party affiliation.
Yes, I, for one, do not like the big D, big P currently practiced in the Senate and White House.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 12:52 AM

"Big D, big P...?"

Sorry, John, am I missing something here?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:00 AM

Okay! I get what you mean. Caps.

Well, there's a lot about Congress I'm not real fond of either. Among other things, "Citizens United." That's a giant step toward Fascism (corporations and government acting as one unit--the "fasces").

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:28 AM

Gosh..I'm not alone!

OK..'we' got the ACA, Asinine Crony Act. This wasn't a move to bring 'affordable healthcare' to anyone..it was brought about, to funnel co-coerced profits to the insurance company cronies, through legislation, and to force everyone to pay increased premiums, plus WAY higher deductibles...to stuff and line the pockets of those cronies, and it was 'presented and packaged' rhetorically, to appeal to the 'so-called liberals'....and as far as passed through Democratic process??...yeah, and it took bribes, waivers, ( its so great that if you vote for it, we'll exempt your state..or favorite 'special interests), political favors just to one party....and all of it ain't over through the Supreme Court, either!
....and all you blind ideologues, this bullshit con job is going to put Republicans in the majority of both houses, and the White House as a 'way' to 'remedy' it....and that will be another disaster!
The Asinine Crony Act, will in effect set 'liberalism' back another 20-30 years!....along with the rest of the crap this guy has promoted!
Are you in favor of NDAA??...like the crap at the IRS??...wait till both houses and the next White House gets control over it! Like the Benghazi lying fest?? Fast and Furious..selling guns to the cartels, and now letting them thrive in human trafficking?? Shovel ready jobs?? Alternative energy crony payouts? Contempt of Congress filed on the AG? Drawing imaginary red lines?? Sending money to Hamas? Soft on Iran, so they have a green light to build nukes??...and then when Israel bombs the shit out of them, you'll criticize Israel over that, too! On the Syria crisis, at the early stages, I posted that they should blockade and set up troops on the borders, to stop any military arms and personnel from getting in or out....HELLO ISIS!..and I could go on and on.I remember during the first primaries I called him 'O-Blabbo', because I thought this guy was an OBVIOUS bullshitter....guess what?....Oh, and you can keep your healthcare and doctor, too!....but your doctor won't be in...he's too busy watching that YouTube video that 'sparked Benghazi'!
Nope, you guys are all subscribers to the liars in DC, that you've become part of their lying apparatus!
So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about!..You can't even cop to the truth, in any way, shape or form!
take you and your lying bullshit,and go down in history, in flames!

Oh, and BTW, I am not affiliated with any party, right or left..but objectively speaking, the TEA Party, in contrast to what the Democrat Party has become, look like a bunch of geniuses!....and a lot of you helped your own party's demise, by NOT holding up their feet to the fire of accountability!!..You just made more Dumb Fuck excuses for it all!

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:29 AM

DF: "Among other things, "Citizens United." That's a giant step toward Fascism (corporations and government acting as one unit--the "fasces").

What the fuck do you think Obamacare is about???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:33 AM

...Constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the keyboard....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 03:44 AM

As an observer from slightly different shores, I did notice that once the trigger term "tea party" was used, Goofus went, in Pavlovian fashion, straight into a rant about Obamacare.

As you said, nothing to see here.






Would Goofus perform gay cure treatment under Obamacare?

Also, he picked on a deaf composer to prove his point. Ha Ha! Let's point and laugh. Mind you, judging by some of the bloodthirsty posts on the Gaza threads, Elgar might be back in fashion with his "Glory, pomp and circumstance of glorious war." Although speaking of Elgar, Goofus has his share of enigma variations.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 04:51 AM

Well, at least you're sticking to the topic:

PATHETIC Goading!!

More stupid name calling and slurs....well it really is all you got!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 04:56 AM

I have been following the Israel thread but have never seen anything remotely "bloodthirsty."
Perhaps you could give an example, or did you make it up?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 05:27 AM

Hang on, I'll cut and paste from one of my own posts, see if that can help you.

All you have to do is look for the blue text with Keith A of Hertford on it, then click on it. The listing you get is easy to wade through, if not a little disturbing at times and as with all pro military right wing crap, contradictory and difficult to substantiate.

(Back in real time now.) Of particular merit is the claim that bombing children on beaches, hospitals and schools is OK because like The IRA, innocent people were given a fair warning, or would have if the electricity supply wasn't down and people could be warned. Obviously, the children on the beach was just target practice, so no warning was given.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 06:14 AM

"I have been following the Israel thread but have never seen anything remotely "bloodthirsty."
Try your approval of the use of missiles which indiscriminately explode ober civilian areas showering tiny darts on the population below, or your approval of the use of chemical phosphorus flares which burned away the flesh from children s faces as "harmless illumination", or sniper bullets sold to Assad at the time his men were cutting down women carrying children and making a sport of it by offering each other cigarettes for actually shooting through the children before hitting the mother) as "only a few sniper bullets", or suggesting that Assad, whose torture chambers were full of victims - later to be "disappeared", should be sold riot control equipment....?   
The list is pretty endless
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 06:19 AM

It is a lie that I have ever made any post that could remotely be described as "bloodthirsty."

It is just pathetic goading.
Go ahead and produce one if you are not lying.

You can't.
Hopeless liars the pair of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:10 AM

"I defy you to...

You cant...."

Seems like a Keith post if I'm not mistaken.

A huge difference between having style and having a style.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:27 AM

Have you gotten your keyboard hand bound up in your undershirt, gfs? Your normally easy to understand posts recently seem to be as Dylan wrote, "drifting, like a satellite".

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 11:32 AM

Nothing to do with "style" Musket.
You referred to "bloodthirsty" posts in the Israel thread, but you can't produce a single one because there are none.
I was just pointing up your dishonesty.

Or, perhaps you have found one {chortle}

Confident prediction, you will not because there are none.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 12:01 PM

Naw, none at all Keith, if viewed from your skewed sense of morality.

Hey Ed? I take my hat off to you if you reckon Goofus is normally easy to understand. I must be thick as pigshit then cos be buggered if I know which planet he orbits.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 12:19 PM

OK, put up a post that would seem "bloodthirsty" to ANYONE, not just me with my "skewed sense of morality."

Confident prediction, you can't because there are none.
It is all your invention.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:18 PM

"It is a lie that I have ever made any post that could remotely be described as "bloodthirsty."
Then we must presume that firing missiles at civilians that burst, letting loose thousands of darts capable of burying themselves into concrete, never mind human flesh, if what you call normal in your christian world.
As is selling an inhuman dictator ammunition used to train men to shoot through women and children.
Not forgetting proposing the same dictator be sold riot control equipment in order to neutralise all opposition and slam those opposing his terror into already his well-known torture chambers to be mutilated, before being murdered.
You have recently ben given the first example, which you have dismissed as an acceptable way to conduct a war - the other two were your own proposals.
I'd say a surfeit of Draculitis, wouldn't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:39 PM

Put up the "bloodthirsty" post then Jim, if it exists.

Musket said there were some in the current Israel thread.
You clearly agree with me he is wrong about that, but I know I have never made one.
Prove me wrong?
Confident prediction, you can't Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 01:59 PM

"current Israel thread."
"Then we must presume that firing missiles at civilians that burst, letting loose thousands of darts capable of burying themselves into concrete, never mind human flesh, if what you call normal in your christian world."
Apologies accepted
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 03:00 PM

You might add -
You once took umbrage when I accused you of advocating that it was acceptable to kill hostages
Throughout every thread concerning Israel, your defence for their atrocities has been that Hamas has hidden behind hostages, so it was acceptable for them to behave as they do - ie - kill hostages - pretty bloodthirsty by anybody's standard - even John Mclean wouldn't do that, and he's pretty bloodthirsty.
Your perstant defence of atrocities is the most inhuman I have ever encountered in my whole, over-long existence - you seem to get off on it, yet you present it as some weird sect of Christianity.
Odd or what?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jul 14 - 03:07 PM

100.

Goes with the 1 I originally posted.

Jim, Christianity is about having a pathetic excuse for being a twat rather than just being one. If he prays, he must be on the side of the angels.

Angels with dirty faces.. To recall my youth.