Martin Carthy gig cancelled

Subject: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: GUEST,Sugwash
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 07:04 PM

Just heard that Martin Carthy has had to cancel his booking at Folk on the Moor, near Plymouth, due to Norma being taken seriously unwell (sic).

I'm sure that we all wish Norma a speedy recovery from whatever ails her.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 02:42 AM

Very bad news

Best wishes Norma

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 04:19 AM

Hope it's nothing too serious. Get well Norma

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Sugwash
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 04:29 AM

Forgot to mention that the gig is this Sunday, 20th January. A singers night will take place instead.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: r.padgett
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 04:36 AM

O dear

Get well soon Norma


Ray

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 10:05 AM

The word from Norma's nephew, Olly, is that she has the flu and although poorly, no panic.
Martin

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: GUEST,David at Mystic Seaport USA
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 11:01 AM

Very best wishes to Norma. Please get well soon. Hello to Martin.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 12:30 PM

Thread drift, but someone gave me the acoustic masters dvd of Martin Carthy for my birthday today.

What a brilliant musician. Its a fabulous dvd - get it!

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 01:27 PM

But, WLD, he isn't an oik and sings in a funny voice (even if he is IMHO the best indivudual folk musician of the last 20 years)

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 01:47 PM

don't take me too literally....

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: pavane
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 02:45 AM

Only the last 20 years? What about the 1960's, when he was copied by Dylan and Paul Simon, to name just two? His 1964 album was surely a masterpiece.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 03:05 AM

There are other contenders from the revival. From that period it is not so clear-cut: -

Peter Bellamy, Dave Swarbrick, Kirkpatrick, Nic Jones, Vin Garbutt, Maddy Prior, Jean Redpath, June Tabor, etc...

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: TheSnail
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 03:38 AM

...and let's not forget Norma Waterson.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: pavane
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 03:41 AM

Agreed, good competition there. And the only one from that list I haven't seen live is Jean Redpath.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 03:49 AM

Best wishes and kind regards for a speedy recovery, Norma.

Regards to Martin.

Erica and Bryn Pugh

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: theleveller
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 03:57 AM

This is terrible news. Norma is a wonderful lady - she and the other Watersons (and John) gave me lots of helpful advice when I was starting out in folk music over 40 years ago and Sunday nights at The Blue Bell in Hull were a joy. I last saw her and Martin at Shepley when we had a nice conversation in the loo queue. Best wishes, Norma and I hope you make a swift recovery.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 04:20 AM

Good wishes to Norma though I'll be keeping very well clear as I've no wish to catch it.

Of course the Watersons (both before and after the arrival of Carthy) were tremendously important in the revival but just to list contemporaries who influenced you way back then is pointless. Everyone Richard Bridge named is worthy of acclaim (though Jean Ritchie surely counts as traditional, as would Hedy West and probably Peggy Seeger too).

It also depends on your own progress around the countryside. If I cite The High Level Ranters, Lou Killen, Bob Davenport & The Rakes, Swarb & Martin, The Young Tradition, JKP, Pete Coe, Bob Pegg and The Clash you could trace my itinerary up to the mid 70s. If you wanted to.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 04:40 AM

and lets not forget Marty Wilde and The Vernons Girls.....

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 04:46 AM

From which we can gather that WLD had a diverse upbringing.
The Vernons Girls were clearly traditional in the Liverpool sense of the word.
As for Marty Wilde, it depends on your interpretation of Larry Parnes and his stables.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 05:54 AM

I saw Marty Wilde live, recently and he was very good. He sang all his traditional songs.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 05:54 AM

Good God we'll have Mike Sarne cited as a folk revivalist next!

The point I was making, without I hope detracting from the wonder of Norma's singing (there is a pretty-pretty version on the Imagined village of a broken token song I first heard from a Norma Waterson recording, and the difference is startling) was that for 20 years there has not been a contender for Martin Carthy's throne as best individual folk musician, whereas during the revival there were others of comparable status (and I forgot Alistair Anderson and Alex Atterson too).

It is sad to see Norma Waterson's health so fragile.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: mattkeen
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 08:04 AM

Get well soon -(with a reminder: she has only got the flu)

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 08:28 AM

I bet it's flu rather than a bad cold. Definitions again....

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: stallion
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 12:12 PM

only the bloody flu, it laid me low for five weeks and my voice still hasn't recovered six weeks on form getting better! It was nasty and I thought I was dying I felt so rotten. get well soon Norma

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 01:08 PM

Genuine flu is dangerous.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 02:17 PM

Especially if it is Man Flu :-)

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 02:32 PM

Not.

Subject: RE: Martin Carthy gig cancelled
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 02:53 PM

Ingenuine flu... I've had it once or twice, and I wouldn't recommend it matey....

I've been around a bit (roughed it in a few places), and as a man of the world I can assure you - life has little worse to offer than an insincere streptococus.

In fact theres a saying:-

Give me a germ that's straight and true!
Straight of back and eyes of blue!
Then what care I, of streaming snot
bad catarrh, and fever hot!
An honest germ, with coughs of phelegm
And snotty sneezes is a gem!