BS: Weaponization of Space

Subject: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 08:53 PM

Am I the only Canadian that feels proud that Canada has refused to comply with the request from the U.S. to join them in the weaponization of space? Yes, we belong to Norad but thats not the same as launching a missle. And Yes, the U.S. is pissed and says that we have relinquished the sovereignty of our air space. WHaaaaaaaat?

Looks like the U.S. has big plans. Those plans include the weaponization of space. Listen up, World, Canada is sounding the alarm.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:09 PM

"we're the cops of the world boys!" It was all prophecied by Phil

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:10 PM

Quite proud not to join those warmongering folk. The best defence would be to act peacefully. I don't mind spending money on the military though, so long as it's aimed towards peacekeeping, recovery, arctic patrols, search and rescue, and the like. Peaceful acts are led by example.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:17 PM

"cops of the world"? That's offensive to me.

And for the record, no such sovereignty has been relinquished. That's an extension of the "if you're not for us you're against us" bullshit.
It's paranoid, backward thinking. Mind you, peace doesn't pay the military industry as well.

Canada can't do much to actually stop the Excited States from putting weapons into space, but we can sleep better knowing we have a conscience.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:20 PM

Mooh, "Cops of the World" is a song by Phil Ochs.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:24 PM

Rapaire...Maybe you know our Guest, but I didn't/don't believe he meant it peacefully. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:27 PM

Sniff, I ain't even Canadian but I wish I was so I could also be proud that my country wasn't into puttin' weapons in orbit... Heck, some danged 15 years old pudder geek could blow up a couple countries by jus' messin' 'round... No, no one will be safer with bombs 'er lazers 'er whatevera circlin' the Earth. No one...

BTW, is it me or is this entire wat thing gettin' a little out o' hand?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:27 PM

*war* thing....

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:28 PM

And what was that line about treaties being a pain in the ass or neck or something? I may get the irony, but Guest delivered his cops remark as a one-liner so I assumed the worst.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:08 PM

I think that Canadians realize that American missile-based space weapons won't be simply defensive, but will eventually be used aggressively. We all know that, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:23 AM

Now somebody will post about Canada selling asbestos to third-world countries and how holier-than-thou we are.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:52 AM

This is a GOOD thing. I would suggest investing in: 1. Northrop 2. Raytheon 3. Boeing 4.Rolls 5. Farber AG and 6. look into the roots of Krupp all are positioned for excellent returns over the ensuing decade as global security is expanded into space. We are looking towards a much safer future for our grand-children as they are looked after beneath the loving arms of machines.

Sincerely,

Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 06:18 AM

I would be more ashamed and indignant if Canada had participated than proud because we have refused. Paul Martin was all in favour of kissing George Bush's arse, and only a minority government has saved the day. Democracy only seems to truly work with minority governments. Otherwise it is an elected dictatorship. The saddest fact is that the Liberals were a better alternative than the Conservatives. If that bunch of bastards were in power we would be arming space and ducking bullets in Iraq.
       Obie

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:14 AM

Obie...Agreed.

In much of the world it seems that the Shrub comes off looking like a lunatic asshole, and no matter how purportedly righteous his agenda, few want to follow such a person. (Leader of the free world my ass. Not MY free world!) That his agenda is also lunatic just makes him easier to refuse. His Christianity is obviously false, his methods deceitful, and his ego...what the hell does that bootlicking Blair see in him anyway?

I believe the world is waiting for Shrub to go away, that a less threatening peace is possible. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd give peace a chance by acting on its behalf first. Beating your neighbours into submission isn't peace.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:41 AM

Little Johnny has been accused of licking somewhere else...

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 10:25 AM

Making sure Canada will not have any legal standing or claim to the sky (ionosphere) above their heads is but one push by the Rumsfeld space "defense" program.

The plan is crazier than you could imagine.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:17 PM

Obie I agree that Martin would be right there with Bush if it weren't for the Canadian people. Martin knows that being re-elected depends on listening to the voice of the people. He also knows that with a minority govt. the opposition is very powerful. Thank goodness the government in power at this time is balanced in a way that doesn't give him the power to act alone.

Donuel - Why does the Rumsfield space 'defense' program take away the legal standing of Canadian claims to the skies above our nation?

Somebody has referred to the U.S. as the cops of the world. I would say that Bully of the World is more accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 03:03 PM

Weapons in space are not really that much different than NORAD's "DEW". I.E. "blow up the rockets over Canada before they can reach the USA".
As the filling in the sandwich between the USA and Russia we realized long ago that our only hope was for peace. I hope that our prescent government does not forget that!
       Obie

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 03:49 PM

I can't think of a better place to put weapons than in space...

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: John O'L
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 05:41 PM

If anybody ever accepts the Voyager invitation we want to be able to
give them a good old Earthly welcome don't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:37 PM

Welcome to our world. How do ya get here? Turn on the geiger counter and look for the hot spot in a spiral galaxy . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 12:53 AM

Here's a little more information on weapons in space;

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/space_weapons/page.cfm?pageID=1157

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Peace
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 12:55 AM

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/space_weapons/page.cfm?pageID=1157

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 04:56 AM

brucie...Cool link, thanks. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: sian, west wales
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 05:32 AM

Well, I'm with Di. and Obie. The news was covered by BBC World Service in the middle of the (British) night but there doesn't seem to have been anything in the British press otherwise. So, I'm proud of Canada, not too chuffed with Britain. And I'm surprised by Martin; as you say, thank God for minority government.

The American government made some comment, didn't it?, that Canada would be 'outside the room' when decisions were made. Isn't this whole bout of militaristic mania about people invading other people's airspace? So, USA airspace must never be violated, but it doesn't work t'other way 'round?

siân

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 02:49 PM

Welcome, Mooh. But it was found by dianavan. Hope you'rte doing well.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 06:19 PM

Oops, sorry! Thanks dianavan! Doin' swell. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Weaponization of Space
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 06:21 PM

I just listened to cross- sountry check-up on CBC. Seems that there is plenty of controversy around Martin's decision. Seems he and Pettigrew forgot to tell the U.S. ambassador that they were backing out. Oops!

Also seems to be a problem in as much as Canada is already supplying NORAD with tracking and communication technology. Canada also wants contracts to build some of the weaponary and other doo-dads that go along with the whole program.

The biggest problem seems to be that if a missle were heading for the U.S. over Canadian air space, the U.S. wouldn't have time to ask Canada's permission to shoot it down.

In the final analysis, everyone seems to wonder what the U.S. is afraid of. Korea or China? Neither makes much sense.

What makes more sense is that the U.S. is trying to escalate the arms race (more profit for the military-industrial complex) and China would go bankrupt (like Russia) trying to keep up.

Like I said before, its a good thing its a minority government or Martin would be trying to make a big buck from all of this. At this point it looks like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.