BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?

Subject: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 11:46 AM

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/sen-john-mccain-authors-bill-to-detain-americans-indefinitely-without-trial


"WASHINGTON D.C. - The man once held as a P.O.W. and tortured after his A4E-SKYHAWK jet was shot down during the Vietnam War has authored a bill entitled, -S.3081 - Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010- which thus far has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee. The bill outlines the process by which Americans may be held indefinitely, without notice of their Miranda Rights, and without ever being charged with a crime. Worse detainment of an individual according to the legislation is authorized by mere suspicion that the individual did or seeks to harm any asset of the United States government or any civilian target."


So if this passes, I guess McCain would like them to start with the Hutaree militia. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 12:00 PM

What a perfect way to be able to just "detain" anyone you don't like...

That is what dictatorships normally do, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 12:01 PM

Yeah. You think the Tea Party people will be campaigning against this bill?

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 12:04 PM

Stupid bills tend to never get out of committee.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 01:35 PM

McCain? Interesting... since HE was detained indefinitely by another country a number of years ago.

I guess it's all ok if it's done for OUR 'security'.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: DougR
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 01:41 PM

McCain detained indefinitely? Strange, he's my U.S. Senator and is running for re-election. I had no idea he was also still a prisoner in Vietnam. Does he commute Bill?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: pdq
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 01:43 PM

The people I know in Arizona will be voting for J. D. Hayworth in the Republican primary.

No bets, but I doubt that #1 RINO McCain will survive his primary race this year.

He has been a huge roadblock to illegal immigration reform, as was governor Janet Napolitano.

Just what he offers after strong national defence is unlcear. McCain is Democrat-lite at best.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 01:47 PM

Seems to me he thought it was indefinitely during his imprisonment....
indefinitely doesn't necessarily mean 'forever'.
He was a wonderful example of a hero and a patriot who knew what 'resistance' meant.
I am rather disappointed in his ideas in later years.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 01:54 PM

I don't know why you think this is the action of a RINO, pdq. This is a very Republican type of bill. It's exactly what the Bush Republicans put into practice during that administration, only McCain is trying to make it law.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM

If I am reading this correctly, if I join a group the president feels belongs on this list, I lose my Miranda rights and rights to a lawyer. Sounds a bit like the McCarthy years to me:
The bill:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3081

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:17 PM

I'm sure McCain thinks this bill will only go after Musilms and Arabs who are American citizens, but I think maybe he's not thinking things through very carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 03:12 PM

It is certainly worded very vaguely to include anyone the president decides is a threat to national security. Nixon would have had everyone from the Smothers Brothers to Walter Cronkite under lock and key.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 03:23 PM

Yes, that's basically the premise of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: MarkS
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 03:26 PM

I would hope the bill would go after any individual or group (ethnicity or religious affiliation be damned) who wants to do the rest of us violent harm to advance their own agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 03:43 PM

You think people should be held indefinitely, with no access to due process on merely a suspicion, MarkS?

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 04:14 PM

McCain is playing to the right - that he thinks he may be losing. This bill, as he well knows, has no chance of ever going for a vote, much less of passage.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 04:19 PM

Well, he's not making any friends with the Tea Party people. I read some of their opinions about this bill, and they're pretty pissed off about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 04:27 PM

The word "indefinitely" simply means "until it's over", Doug. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 04:49 PM

LH and Doug, to put it better, "indefinitely" means, "We're not setting an end date, nor even a standard by which an end date could be figured. It will end when and if we decide to end it."

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:42 PM

Unconstitutional on the face of it, according to what's posted here.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 07:23 PM

Undemocratic too.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 08:22 PM

That's right, Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 08:03 PM

"thinks this bill will only go after Musilms and Arabs who are American citizens, but I think maybe he's not thinking things through very carefully."

The very sort of stupid non-thinking that allowed McCarthy to get started (and Edgar Hoover too...). The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 09:03 PM

Maybe this is excatly what America needs!!! I mean, let's lock granny up for jay-walkin'... And Junior fir skippin' school... I mean, the list is endless depending on what one person's defination of "threat" is...

The interesting thing about this is that the Tea Party folks would back this in a heartbeat because they are too stupid to realize that there will come a day when "They came afetr me and there was no one left to defend me..."

I mean, let's get friggin' real here... The right wing is having a nice little run here but their policies are, ahhhhh, very facist... Of course they don't know that... They really don't know much of anything other than they say they are against big government... Of course, that isn't rue either because they will fight with the social worker who has to tell them that the Medicare had run out on granny and that granny's money, which they thought they were going to inherit, will now have to go toward paying for granny at the long-term care facility... But that's the Tea Party in a *nut*shell... Too ignorant to actually engage in the critical thinking it takes to see laws locking everyone up ain't all that smart...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 10:22 PM

"see laws locking everyone up ain't all that smart"

It is - until they come for you...

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 10:38 PM

Considering some of the signs carried and verbal threats made by Tea Party people, I think they would be easy targets of such a law themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:02 AM

If there's any kind of sentiment in the Republican party for this bill, they must never be allowed to control both chambers and the white house again.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:45 AM

The bill has several sponsors.

Subject: RE: BS: Will they start with the Hutaree?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:45 PM

McCain must suffer from PTSD. He has lost all objectivity.

The so-called Tea Party don't understand the history behind the name that they use.
The original Tea Party was a protest against the East India Tea Company, a corporation owned by the King and Queen of England.

Tea Partiers love corporations because they support people who love corporations and think corporations do a better job of governing then the US government. Of course, corporations now own the government through lobbyists and the Obama cabinet with Rubin and Geitner and the other Wall Streeters. Welcome to the United Corporate States of America.

You ready to pay the insurance companies through mandates? I'm sure Aetna et. al like that idea.

The so-called Tea Party is a revolt without a guiding principle. It's a bunch of white people who are freaking out because we have a black president.

Some of the Tea Partiers are "brown shirts" with guns. They think they can intimidate
others with weaponry. It's kind of a fascist uprising of sorts.

The Hutaree are rationalized as "patriots" by some members of the so-called Tea Party.
They are of course traitors to the US and it's Constitution. Are they any worse than the
slimy C Street renters? The latter are certainly enablers.