BS: BIG BOATS

Subject: BS: BIG BOATS
From: open mike
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:43 AM

i once sailed in the caribbean on a 4 masted clipper ship.
I think it was 360 feet long, and had at least 2 maybe 3 swimming
pools. We gopt to climb up in the rigging...way, way, up above the ocean. ths ship the Royal Clipper is half again as long, with 5 masts.
http://www.starclippers.com/ships_rc.html

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:50 AM

Woah... I bet that was fun!

Biggest boats I've ever been on were ferries. I've spent a lot of time in canoes and some time in small open sailboats though. Tons of fun.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 06:44 AM

HMS Bulwark - Royal (Real?) Navy Commando Carrier - Lovely jolly from Singapore via Hog Kong to Kobe (Japan) to visit Expo 7o at the Governments expense . 22000 tons of grey painted rust !
Not many RAF bods have drawn their tot !!
And I found the place to buy my D35 in Hong Kong !!

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: kendall
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:51 AM

At the risk of being thought a pedantic, ships are not boats, and boats are not ships.
If you get confused, think of it this way, a ship can carry a boat but a boat can not carry a ship.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 09:32 AM

So my Navy friend was wrong when, referring the the USS Nimitz (CV 68), to which he was then assigned, he said, "I'd better get back to the boat"?

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 10:38 AM

'I think we're going to need a bigger boat'!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Celtaddict
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 12:04 PM

I am sure there are both definitions and traditions involved in "ship" vs. "boat" but members of the U.S. Navy do routinely refer to the ship on which they themselves serve as "the Boat." It seems like a term of familiarity, almost a nickname, to call a ship a boat. This does go as far as the senior enlisted member of the crew being referred to as the COB, the Chief of the Boat.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: open mike
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:15 PM

what about Jo9hn's curry ship--does it float?
i picture it like the Balclutha...with a kitchen.
tied to it's mooring and fixing take out food.
There's another term...when canoeing, kayaking
or inner tubing you start at the put in and
end at the take out.....right?

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Terry K
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:50 PM

There's a coincidence! I'll be on the "Star Clipper" in the Mediterranean in September. It's 115 metres long and carries 170 passengers, though they like to say "guests".

The "Star Flyer" is the identical sister ship and the "Royal Clipper" is the latest and biggest (134 metres) addition to the fleet.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 02:31 PM

Gin Palaces! Try a voyage with the STA on either of their Brigs 'Prince William' or 'Stavros S. Niarchos', where you ARE the crew working the ship on deck, handling sails aloft etc. etc. Or even better, take a trip with the Jubilee Sailing Trust on one of their two ships 'Tenacious' or 'Lord Nelson' and work alongside disabled crew-members. That's real tall-ship sailing for you.
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: GUEST,Shanghaiceltic
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 04:51 PM

In the RN being in boats referred to being a submariner. And we used to say there were only two types of ships, submarines and targets.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: wildlone
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 06:48 PM

I shall be aboard a Man of War on June the 28th in Portsmouth as there is going to be a re-enactment of Trafalgar.
Trafalgar Festival
I have also fought on board the tall ship Astrid at Weymouth.
I will be going to France by ferry on the 17th of June to take part in the battle of Waterloo.
dave

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: kendall
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 08:28 PM

Submarines are called boats, even the Germans called them "Das Boot"
Iv'e never heard a sailor call his ship a boat (unless he was in a submarine)

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: open mike
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:22 PM

say hi to napoleon for me.

yes it was on the star clipper i sailed...to see the total solar eclipse
in '98 off of Guadalupe. trip of a lifetime!!

the barefoot sailing adventures sound good too, smaller craft,
friendlier group.

Jubilee sounds great, too!

hey, kendall how's your boat?

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:31 PM

Well, gol danged... Sho nuff beats out the 27 foot Oday I use to crew on.....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 12:23 AM

We also referred to those on surface ships as being 'skimmers'

The biggest boats I served on were the repeat Valiant SSN's, also served in a couple of SSK's (conventional boats-deisal electric. The smallest boat I ever went on was a deep sea recovery submarine, designed to rescue crew from a downed boat.

Tiny, cramped and very 'cosy'.

Largest sailing ship I ever crewed was the Winston Churchill and the smallest a tiny Drascombe lugger which a friend persuaded me to go sailing across the Solent in mid-winter just to have a beer in Ryde. Stupid idea as it was bitter cold, blowing a bastard and the lugger was open to all weather apart from a sort of dog house affair in the bows.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 12:28 AM

they all can sink

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 06:11 AM

But what ever size it is , a boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money !

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: kendall
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 06:46 AM

I sold my boat. She still needs work and I'm just not up to it.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 07:10 AM

Terry> with a boat you constantly hope that it is a hole in the water, and not water in the hole. I dread a flooded basement.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 08:04 AM

I let the guy call it whatever he wanted, Kendall. He was an Admiral and it was his flagship, so I figured "What the hell?" and assumed that he knew more about it that I, a mere ex-Infantryman, did.

I don't usually associate with Admirals. More like the stewards and the black hole gang.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 09:04 AM

As long as we're being pedantic, If it ain't got 3 or more masts, all rigged with square sail, it ain't a ship. Powered vessels are just that.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Terry K
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 01:38 AM

Strollin Johnny used the term "gin palaces" as a term of derision for Star Clipper.

I actually like palaces and am rather good at gin, so it sounds like I'll be in exactly the right place!

If I want rope-pulling and wet-getting I simply stick to my own gaff-rigged sloop.

The in-between is chartering a 40 footer in the Greek Islands(There's a white one, and a white one, and a white one, and a white one, and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same - credit to SK8), and I'm afraid I do that too.

There's more than one way of enjoying being on the water.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 07:53 AM

Saddo! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 08:31 AM

I do small ships, and I do bigger ships, and I'll do clipper ships, submarines, motorboats, rowboats, canoes, aircraft carriers, battleships, and freighters, but I won't sail on a garbage scow (just an example).

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: kendall
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:20 PM

Sloop...one mast
brig   two masts, both square rigged
hemaphrodite brig...formast square rigged, main mast fore and aft rigged.
Schooner..two, three four or even 5 masts all fore and aft rigged.
Ship... three or more masts all square rigged
Barque (Bark)... three masts, fore main square rigged, mizzen mast fore and aft rigged.
Barquentine fore mast square rigged, main and mizzen fore and aft.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:27 PM

So, what kind of elegant craft is it that has 23 masts rigged fore-and-aft?

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Celtaddict
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 12:05 AM

Irish Rover aside, I am still boggling over the hermaphrodite brig; why should those poor folks with genetic/developmental flukes be locked up? Sorry. Thanks for the definitions, Kendall.
And I may not have made it plain. In the U.S. Navy, from 14 years active duty in San Diego, Keflavik (Iceland), and Groton (all of which have plenty of subs but surface vessels too), I did not hear sailors refer to ships as boats, but commonly they refer to the specific one on which they serve as The Boat.
Sort of like The Old Man or The Old Lady I suppose, and clearly a term of familiarity, as distinct from more formal references.

Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 06:38 AM

I used to model ships that ranged from 1-5 feet long.
The rigging was always the most tedious part.