BS: Give em shit, Canada

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:37 PM

And what pray tell is Washington's position on Darfur?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:40 PM

Dickey: I happen to like the US. I did not start slagging it until you got pissy about Canada. In fact, I am one of the Canucks here who has spoken on behalf of the US on Mudcat, and very often too. As for Maine and people streaming across the border, "So what?"

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:41 PM

"according to Ward Churchill"

"Interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano stated, ""While Professor Churchill has the constitutional right to express his political views, his essay on 9/11 has outraged and appalled us and the general public."

Following an investigation of Churchill's past research, the University's Standing Committee on Research Misconduct recommended Churchill be sanctioned for repeated acts of "serious research misconduct." On June 26, 2006, CU Interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano issued a notice of intent to dismiss Churchill from his faculty position at the University of Colorado Boulder. Churchill has been "relieved of his duties by interim chancellor Phil DiStefano.."

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:46 PM

"So, Dickey, what are you doing to make the world a better place?"

Putting things into perspective.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:48 PM

"Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. "

Very peaceful statement there. Yell that the world over and peace will inevitably follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:50 PM

"you got pissy about Canada"

I think the title of this thread is quite pissy.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:02 PM

"The surprising thing is that it actually goes on in the United States.

Again, focus on the US. Ignore what it says about other countries. Only the US matters for some reason.

The article is titled "Modern Day Slavery Around The World"

Which you renamed to "Slavery in the US"

Newsweek Magazine (May 4, 1992) reports that slavery is widespread in two African countries, Mauritania and Sudan. In Mauritania, over 100,000 Africans are enslaved. Their families were made slaves by the sword during the 12th century invasions. In the centuries that followed, they accepted it as natural."

What are you doing to abolish slavery?

The American Anti-Slavery Group is a U.S.-based non-profit dedicated to the abolition of modern day slavery. While many believe that the slave trade ended some time ago, there are still over 27 million people held in bondage today.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:05 PM

"Did Canada support Arar when he was detained by the US government as instructed to by the Canadian government?"

I'd like to see your sources that say the Canadian government instructed the U.S. to detain Arar.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:13 PM

"I think the title of this thread is quite pissy."

Then take it up with the thread originator.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:16 PM

"I am very happy that he's alive"

Sounds poaitive to me.

"I've heard a lot about what happens there"

How much of that is truth and how much is hearsay, rumors or a product of the Al Qaeda handbook:

"Lesson Eighteen
PRISONS AND DETENTION CENTERS

2. Complain [to the court] of mistreatment while in prison. "

What have we "heard" about other prisons like the ones in Syria?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:16 PM

"Again, focus on the US. Ignore what it says about other countries. Only the US matters for some reason."

Bullshit. Read the link associated with my post on that. It mentions many countries, NOT just the US. Keriste, you are so narrow-minded your scratch pads are 1/4" wide.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:22 PM

Your link "from here. Just for Dickey!" points to an article entitled "Modern Day Slavery Around The World"

The phrase "Slavery in the US" does not appear on that page, yet you say it is from that page.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:24 PM

Try reading the WHOLE article. The quoted stuff is FROM that page.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:25 PM

"An ABC TV show recently did an expose on slavery as it exists today. It focused on three countries: India, Brazil, and the United States."

The capitalized stuff was MY title. Notice that the title is NOT included in the quotation marks. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:37 PM

"Unlike the CIA and FBI who drop the fuckin' ball completely"

What did the Canadian equivalents to the CIA and FBI do with the ball? England? Spain? Indonesia?

How about other countrys of the world? Why not put the 10 million candlepower spotlight on them? Was there bombings in Europe? Indonesia?

When the US acts proactively to prevent terrorist attacks it is a blunder.

When the US does not act proactively to prevent terrorist attacks it is a blunder.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:44 PM

I take it that this was a vietnamese prison?

Tom Harkin, then an aide to the congressional group, convinced two of the Congressmen to investigate stories of torture in the Tiger Cages off the coast of Viet Nam (the French built them in 1939 to hold political opponents; similar ones in French Guinea became famous in the movie Papillion, starring Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman).

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:51 PM

Have a nice day, Dickey. I have no more time for you today. When you wish to discuss wrongs--even American wrongs--then perhaps we'll have some common ground. As it is we have a simple misunderstanding complicated by a fervent hatred for each other. Also, FYI, when Canada drops the ball--which it does--I have written to the existing government to express my displeasure. I personally doubt you have ever taken the time to do that with your government, either State or Federal.

Please notice that it was me who posted the first comprehensive statement about Canada's screw up in the Arar affair. You are so fuckin' blind that you can't even recognize that your country has buggered up. That makes you the worst kind of patriot--the same kind that spout "My country right or wrong" or "Kill a commie for Christ". Nope. No more time for you today.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 01:52 PM

"..In Canada, Diefenbaker's Conservative Party supported the U.S. policy in Vietnam.
His external affairs secretary stating in 1962 that "any action the U.S. has taken has been in a measure of defence against communist action."

In 1965, Paul Martin spoke for the Pearson (Liberal) government, stating that "the American forces were in their right in answering those attacks against them and South Vietnam as provided by section 51 of the United Nations Charter" (a section restricted to members of the UN, a status not held by "South" Vietnam.)

The Canadian ICC contingent twice offered legitimation for U.S. troop intervention and air war over North Vietnam; it furnished the U.S. with strategic intelligence about the location of enemy troop movements; and it acted as messengers by relaying threats issued from the American military. One Canadian retired military officer once stated that he was "bloody ashamed of some of the things I was required to do..."

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:01 PM

You are right about that, GUEST. I was twice at demonstrations in Montreal over just that involvement. We have had more than our share of sleazy politicians in Ottawa. As many as the USA in Washington. To quote me ol' Pappy, "There is NO point talking morals is a whore house."

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:24 PM

Bell ringer

Another

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:30 PM

Both World Wars certainly brought out the propaganda from ALL the countries involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:31 PM

Genocide in Canada: The Untold Story

""I believe the conditions are being deliberately created in our Indian boarding schools to spread infectious disease. The death rate often exceeds fifty percent. This is a national crime."
Dr. Peter Bryce, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Indian Affairs, April 15, 1907

"Then he kicked her. She went rolling down the stairs. She just lay there. She wasn't moving; she wasn't breathing. I see that all the time."
Harriett Nahanee, eyewitness to the murder of Maisie Shaw, age 14, by Alberni Indian Residential School Principal Alfred Caldwell on December 24, 1946..."

At least here is one person that has the guts to say what he believes.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:33 PM

Peace:

I am glad to see you are considering ALL the countries involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:34 PM

Yes. And that issue has been and continues to be addressed by Ottawa. It's a smear on the country. No doubt about that. But other than an attack on Canada, what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:39 PM

I have addressed more than once on this thread issues and history in which I think Canada has acted dishonourably. I do not let my country off the hook simply because it's my country. You could take a lesson from that. I personally have no wish to pillory the USA. I lived and worked there for about five years. I am close friends with many Americans, but we don't allow politics to get in the way of those friendships. Canada has some seriously bad history to do with Native peoples, minorities, and we do have a language issue. We tend to behave as badly in war as any other country. War seems to bring that out in soldiers far too frequently. I do not pretend that my country has clean hands. You might stop pretending that yours does.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:45 PM

Overview of the death penalty worldwide in 2006

Looks like Iran tops the list. They hang people there for drug violations.

Saudi Arabia publicly beheaded 35 men and 4 women for murder and drug offences.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:47 PM

If ya didn't know where this was from, how would ya tell?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:48 PM

The last post was mine.

"You might stop pretending that yours does"

I am not pretending anything. I am merely placing this mean sprirted, holier than thou attack in the perspective that you lack.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:50 PM

Regarding the death penalty. The Khmer Rouge, Argentinian junta, Chilean military put everyone to shame. And what the world is presently allowing in the Sudan is shameful. Of course, people have become fodder for multi-nationals and 'national interests', whatever the disguise, and I suppose we all share in that shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM

Dickey--where did the attacks start?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:00 PM

From here maybe?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:02 PM

The attack is in the title of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:04 PM

"If ya didn't know where this was from, how would ya tell?"

I don't know Guvnah.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:29 PM

The last post was mine.

I will admit that the US has made mistakes but I am not going to hang my head in shame because other countrys make mistakes.

I am not going to try to equate, quantify or justify one mistake against the other but merely point out the fact that everybody makes mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:30 PM

Dickey - Please reply.

I'd like to see your sources that say the Canadian government instructed the U.S. to detain Arar.

btw - I don't know where you are from, Dickey, but where I'm from, "give em shit" means stand up for yourself or talk back or don't take it or call them on their 'bs'. Calling the phrase 'mean-spirited' is stretching it a bit.

You go right ahead and defend the perfect America of your dreams. In my mind, the only way to preserve democracy is to question authority. Blind allegiance is just plain ignorant.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:49 PM

I don't have any. Do you? Why did the US retain Arar? Where are your sources? I need sources but you don't need sources?

As to you last mean spirited, attack the messenger statement, you can go right ahead and defend the perfect Canada of your dreams, expose your lack of knowledge and civility by attacking those that do not agree with you.

I repeat: I will admit that the US has made mistakes but I am not going to hang my head in shame because other countrys make mistakes too.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:58 PM

"I repeat: I will admit that the US has made mistakes but I am not going to hang my head in shame because other countrys make mistakes too. "

Better we all try to get our respective countries to stop making the same mistakes again and again. Now we have common ground. Thank you, Dickey.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 05:39 PM

Yes, Dickie, you need sources.

1. You say Canada instructed the U.S. to detain Arar.

Proove it.

The U.S. questioned Arar based on information supplied by the RCMP.
The U.S. sent him to Jordan and then to Syria to be tortured, Canada did not.

The Canadian government found that he was innocent. The U.S refuses to be held accountable for their actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 12:43 AM

I was hasty in making that assertion. However the US detained him based on information coming from Canada. And Canada tipped off the US that he was entering the US through Vienna.

Now, If you have sources saying anything different let's see them.

The US sent him to Jordan. Jordan sent him to Syria. Where did Canada say to send him?

If Canada did not want the US to detain him why didn't they say let him go on to Canada and we will detain him. Apparently they wanted him sent to Syria to be Interrogated there.

You have to know the actions of Canada before you can lay this at anybodys feet but it appears you know very little and you are not interested in finding out.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 10:10 AM

That I agree with. Because it jives with the Top Cop having his resignation accepted. However, when the Government found out they did their best to get it fixed. And that's a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 10:32 AM

"Apparently they wanted him sent to Syria to be Interrogated there."

I'm not so sure about that but, even so, at least there has been an apology and compensation for Arar. Which takes us right back to the refusal of the U.S. to amend its records which is how this thread started.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 10:41 AM

When one country notifies another that there is a suspected terrorist entering their country, do thay just leave it at that?

Wouldn't they say something like "let us know when you get him" or "hold him for questioning" or something of that nature?

There must have been some instructions given along with the information. What were they? If the Canadians did not want him "interrogated" in Syria Wouldn't they have said so?

In the unlikely even that there were no instructions given, it would mean "we don't want him in Canada" and/or "do whatever you usually do with suspected terrorists".

These details are absent.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 02:11 AM

"Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms forbids Ottawa from deporting anyone to a country where that person may face torture."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/15/AR2007021502172.html

"But under Canada's "security certificate" program, the government can detain and deport immigrants without filing charges and without providing them or their lawyers with evidence if they are deemed a threat to national security."

Three who have been detained are now free on bail. One of them is under what amounts to house arrest.

Lets hope that all of the detainees will have their cases reviewed and that the U.S. will follow suit.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Dickey
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 02:56 PM

"THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT ARE LIARS"

"PARIS, 26 July. (IPS, with reports from Nicholas Read and Petti Fong of the Vancouver Sun) The family of Keyvan Tabesh, a young Iranian shot and killed by a Port Moody police officer on 14 July, expressed shock at the attitude of the Iranian government trying to use the incident as a mean to cover up the death of Ms. Zahra Kazemi, the 54 years-old Iranian-Canadian photojournalist.

On Friday, Iran's Foreign Affairs Minister Kamal Kharrazi said that his ministry has launched an immediate probe into the killing of the young Tabesh and injuring a friend, Amir Aqa'i by the Canadian police.

Family members say they had no idea the Iranian government was going to use the death of their 18-year-old son and brother to deepen a diplomatic incident with Canada.

"We were surprised", said Keyvan's sister, Rita, in an interview from Burnaby. "We never talk to the government".

"The problem is between Keyvan's family and the police", she said softly, but with emotion. "It is a social problem, not a political problem".

Keyvan, 18, was shot by a Port Moody police officer when he approached the officer with a machete in his hand.

Amir, who has recovered from his wound, was not available to comment Thursday, but his father, who declined to give his first name, said he agreed with the Tabeshes that what happened to his son was a matter for Canadian, not Iranian, authorities.

"The Iranian government are liars", Aqa'i's father said. "This is not Iran's business. This happened in Canada, not Iran and It's a Canadian problem, not an Iranian problem".

Aqa'i said he and his wife were "very, very upset" when they heard the news about the Iranian government involvement. "You have to know we will solve this problem in Canada", he said. "We love Canada".

But Kharrazi stressed that Iranian foreign ministry would employ all its capacity and implement all diplomatic instruments to clarify the bitter incident and safeguard the rights of all Iranian nationals.

Tehran had also accused Ottawa to order the press not to report the "murder" of the young Iranian. The Foreign Affairs spokesman had said that the "horrifying killing" has created "fear and horror" among the Iranian community in Canada.

The Tabeshes, arrived in Canada on 2000 and are landed immigrants with family members still in Iran.

Kharrazi, reported by the official news agency IRNA, returning the table against Canada, said that Iran found incomprehensible the comparisons made by the Canadian department of foreign affairs between the deaths of Zahra Kazemi and Keyvan Tabesh.

Iranian jurists and observers noted that Iranian statements concerning the killing of Keyvan was "quite similar" to those used by Ottawa with Tehran in the case of the death of Ms. Kazemi while in the custody of the authorities.

Canada recalled its Ambassador from Iran following the burial of Ms. Kazemi in her hometown of Shiraz, in southern Iran, in spite of demands by her son, Stephen Hachemi and the Canadian government to have the body transferred to Canada for autopsy.

The Foreign Affairs Minister further stressed that the preliminary and hasty comments made by Ottawa officials in this regard was not a clear explanation but rather a justification for the indefensible act of Canadian police in murdering the Iranian national.

Asked why Tehran waited more than a week to raise the issue with the Canadians, Kharrazi accused the Canadian government for having failed to carry out its diplomatic duty to immediately notify the Islamic Republic of the incident.

"Noting that Iran was waiting for clear and convincing explanations in this regard, Kharrazi voiced his ministry's insistence upon having detailed, speedy and just investigations into the bitter case and having the person or persons responsible for it tried and punished", the Agency quoted the Minister.

Ken Taylor, a former Canadian ambassador to Tehran between 1979 and 1980, said the Iranian government's call for transparency is "outrageous".

"It's total mischief and absolute nonsense to try and link the two cases together", said Taylor, adding "It weakens their own case by taking this step".

Taylor said the police investigation into the Port Moody shooting is going to be transparent and will follow a set of procedures because the course of justice in Canada is subject to rules of law.

Rejecting Iranian claims, Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham expressed Saturday the hope to see the Iranians carrying "same thorough and open" investigations in the case of Ms. Kazemi as the Canadians are offering in the case of the late Keyvan.

Canada's Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman Reynald Doiron invited Iran on Friday to send observers to Canada to oversee the police investigation into Tabesh's death.

"We are ready to offer them complete and unfettered assistance in communicating with the authorities", he said.

Rita and Keyvan's father, Nasser, a surgeon, both said Keyvan's death was not the business of the Iranian government, and they didn't want what happened to him to be used for political purposes. "We don't want the government to use our family", Rita said. "We just want to know why the police killed our brother.

"We just want justice for our son," said Nasser. "We are not a political family. We are living in Canada now and we want justice in Canada".

Keyvan's mother, Forough Jabalameli, has been quoted as saying her son did not know he was being confronted by a policeman because the officer was dressed in civilian clothes and driving a vehicle without police markings.

Pari Sa'idi, a spokeswoman with the Iranian-Canadian Community of Western Canada, said the Iranian government's comments are in direct retaliation for the Canadian government's demand for answers in Zahra Kazemi's death.

"This is bullying and the Canadian government should not buy it. They're covering their crime. Whatever happened here will be thoroughly investigated", she said Thursday.

Sa'idi, who left Iran in 1985, said she remains too fearful to return to visit her family. Relatives and friends still living in Iran tell her the country remains a virtual prison. "You can close your eyes, shut your mouth and go back to see your family. And if you do see something or say anything they don't like, they'll torture you", she said.

"The Iranian government's suggestion that the investigation into the Port Moody shooting may not be transparent shows poor knowledge of how the Canadian justice system works", Inspector Chris Beach, who is in charge of the Vancouver Police Department's major crimes section told journalists.

Port Moody Police Chief Paul Shrive said the homicide investigation is continuing into Tabesh's shooting and witnesses are still being interviewed. "The attempts by any individuals whether in this country or outside to put any political spin will just not be entertained by us", he added.

The unidentified officer who fired the shots joined the force two years ago from the RCMP and has 25 years of policing experience. He is on leave.

Police say Keyvan had earlier struck another vehicle with a machete and that the police officer followed the car in which he was riding into the Port Moody cul-de-sac where the shooting occurred."

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2003/Jul-2003/iran_canada_relations_26703.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:23 PM

You're really grasping at straws these days.

What has this to do with Maher Arar?

btw - Do you like Martins? Live in Chicago? Play banjo?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Dickey
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 09:58 PM

I thought it had to do with Canada giving shit. Does Canada give a shit?
Maybe Canada should be giving Iran shit instead of having their citizens urging people to give shit to the US.

"INDEPTH: ZAHRA KAZEMI
Iran's changing story
CBC News Online | Updated November 16, 2005

Iranian-Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi died in Iranian custody on July 11, 2003, almost three weeks after she was arrested for taking pictures outside a prison during a student protest in Tehran.

Two days later, Iran's official news agency reported that Kazemi had died in hospital, after suffering a stroke while she was being interrogated. On July 16, 2003, the story changed. Mohammad Ali Abtahi, Iran's vice-president, conceded that Kazemi died as a result of being beaten.

Later, the Iranian government would charge an Iranian security agent in Kazemi's death. He was acquitted of a charge of "quasi-intentional murder. In July 2004, Iran's judiciary said the head injuries that killed Kazemi were the result of an "accident."

The case stayed under the radar screens of most Canadians until March 31, 2005, and the stunning revelations of Shahram Azam, a former staff physician in Iran's Defence Ministry. He said he examined Kazemi in hospital, four days after her arrest.

Azam said Kazemi showed obvious signs of torture, including:

    * Evidence of a very brutal rape.
    * A skull fracture, two broken fingers, missing fingernails, a crushed big toe and a broken nose.
    * Severe abdominal bruising, swelling behind the head and a bruised shoulder.
    * Deep scratches on the neck and evidence of flogging on the legs.

Azam left Iran in August 2004, saying he was seeking medical treatment in Finland. He later went to Sweden and got in touch with Kazemi's son, Stephan Hachemi. With the help of Canadian lawyers, Hachemi helped Azam and his family get to Canada. He was granted landed immigrant status as a refugee sponsored by the government of Canada.

After Kazemi's death, Hachemi demanded that Iran return her body to Canada for burial – but Iran refused. He has also been critical of the federal government, saying Ottawa did not do enough to help his mother. He has demanded that Canada take the case to the International Court of Justice.

Spring 2003:Kazemi leaves Canada for Iran.

June 23, 2003, 5:40 p.m.: Kazemi is arrested while taking photographs outside Evin prison in Tehran during student-led protests. She is later taken into custody and interrogated by police, prosecutors and intelligence officials for 77 hours.

June 27, 2003, 12:20 a.m.: Kazemi is admitted to Baghiatollah hospital in Tehran.

July 3 or 4, 2003: Iranian officials inform Kazemi's family that she's been hospitalized.

July 7, 2003: Officials with Canada's Foreign Affairs Department visit Kazemi in hospital, the first of three such visits before her death.

Kazemi dies in Tehran hospital while under guard.
» CBC STORY: Canadian arrested in Iran brain dead after beating

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/

Dianavan: Why don't you grab a camera, visit Iran and bring us back some photos of their wolderful system of government?

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:04 AM

Canada did give 'em shit and two Iranian intelligence agents who had interrogated Kazemi were charged with complicity in her death. The Teheran prosecutor's office released a statement reading in part, "The charges levelled against the interrogators, who are said to be members of the Intelligence Ministry, are announced as complicity in semi-intentional murder."

You'll have to dig a little deeper, Dickey.

Try to stay on topic, you ugly pervert.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:32 AM

Then they were pardoned.

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:37 AM

"Governments committing gross violations of human rights routinely send representatives to council sessions to stifle criticism or denounce the actions of states with far better records. For example, Iran sent the man responsible for the torture and murder of Zahra Kazemi, a Canadian-Iranian journalist, to represent it at the council's inaugural session last June, and this week it sent Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, the person responsible for organizing the December Holocaust-denial conference in Tehran. "

from

http://www.stljewishlight.com/commentaries/288569735362733.php

Subject: RE: BS: Give em shit, Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:08 AM

Peace - Are you trying to hijack this thread?

What has this to do with Maher Arar?

If you want to talk about Iranian human rights, start a thread about it. I doubt if you'll find anyone who disagrees.