BS: Obama disappoints again

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: michaelr
Date: 06 May 10 - 01:20 AM

If Arnold can figure it out after the fact, I expect Obama to be smart enough to know better before. It's not the first ever oil spill, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 06 May 10 - 01:24 AM

Your partisanship has affected your ability to reason. The two just aren't comparable. We were told these rigs were safe, there were failsafe valves, etc. Just as we're told nuclear plants are safe. Both have comparable safety records. Now we know it's an illusion. And people are telling us to step up nuclear power production. I hope Obama is smart enough to see before the next Chernobyl that it's not as safe as its advocates claim.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 May 10 - 11:55 AM

"Your partisanship has affected your ability to reason."

That's an almost universal problem, isn't it? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 06 May 10 - 11:57 AM

I've never had any problem with it. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 May 10 - 12:04 PM

Good, good... ;-) So, are you gonna vote for Chongo next time? I think I can safely promise that he will disappoint in much more dramatic, exciting, and entertaining ways than Mr Obama is capable of. 8 years of Chongo in the Oval Office could make people forget all about George Bush, in fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 06 May 10 - 12:08 PM

What's in it for me?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 06 May 10 - 12:13 PM

Wait -- can Chongo prove he was born in the USA?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 May 10 - 05:06 PM

What's in it for you? You have to ASK???? Why, the glow of knowing you've done the right thing for your country, man!

Chongo was not born in the USA. He makes no bones about that. He was born in Africa. He intends to challenge the unfair constitutional provision that bars people from being president who weren't born in America...and hopefully to get an amendment passed before the next election that will remove that impediment.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 May 10 - 05:29 PM

Ah. So he and Ahnold will be on the same ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 May 10 - 05:51 PM

That is the one problem with Chongo's plan....a niggling little detail that has caused some concern in APP planning and strategy rooms.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 10 - 06:09 PM

I can see the TEa Party revving up on that one. Proposition 8 will have NOTHING on Proposition 666--An Act Forbidding Other Species from Entering Human Politics in the United States of America. Hoooboy, they'll have a field day with that one!! Wait 'til the Mormons hear about it!!!



A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 May 10 - 07:09 PM

Chongo has already written off any idea of getting support from the Mormons. As for the Tea Party....well, not much hope of support there either.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 06 May 10 - 10:42 PM

Look, I only vote for the Democrats because I know they will continue funding NPR. If I'm going to vote for Chongo I need a good, selfish reason. Like for instance people who make billions of dollars a second voting for the Republicans. You know.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 May 10 - 11:05 PM

I understand. I'll have to check with Chongo and see what kind of platform the APP is working out for next time, and then I'll get back to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 May 10 - 01:24 AM

billions of dollars a second would be a good enough reason for me.

Where do I apply?

I would only need to work a tiny fraction of a second and then retire.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 May 10 - 05:00 AM

""Chongo has already written off any idea of getting support from the Mormons. As for the Tea Party....well, not much hope of support there either.""

There used to be a Daily event in London, which would be right up Chongo's street.

It was known as the Chimps' Tea Party, and it took place at Regnt's Park Zoo.

Learn the lesson of history Chongo. You are the natural leader of the Tea Party!.........Now Go and sort 'em out!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 10 - 10:51 AM

"David Brooks: Gail, would you mind if I praised Barack Obama today? I thought not. I'm feeling grateful to the prez these days because we happen to be in the middle of a bunch of midsized crises. There's the oil spill in the Gulf (which is verging on a big crisis, I guess). There's the Times Square bomber. There are various floods in Tennessee and elsewhere. The European Union is falling apart over the Greek debt crisis, and so on and so on.

It's good to have a president with equipoise.
It seems to me that Obama is handling his role, which ranges from the marginal to the significant, in these events with calm professionalism. He's active yet not annoying. He's not taking credit for everything. He's not creating friction by making any missteps. He is calm, cool and collected.

Gail Collins: Please, feel free to applaud the president as much as you like. But I'm sorry I can't return the favor when it comes to the Republicans. All we're hearing is carping or sullen silence. And there's John McCain, complaining again about giving the alleged Times Square bomber his Miranda rights. (Nothing worse than handling a prisoner in a way that will make it possible to take him to trial.) And while it's not exactly in the same category with Rush Limbaugh's claim that the administration wanted a big oil spill, I was kind of bemused by the House minority leader, John Boehner, who seems to be claiming that a monster spill demonstrates our need for more offshore drilling.

David Brooks: Sometimes people fault Obama for being too cool. I can see their point 5 percent of the time, but 95 percent of the time, it's good to have a president with equipoise. Times like this — with stuff bubbling in all directions — are typical.

This is why people elected him over McCain.
Gail Collins: Well, this is why people elected him. When the economy collapsed they looked at him and McCain and decided in about three seconds which one they wanted running the show in a crisis.

David Brooks: When the oil thing blew, he mobilized what he could, he delegated authority, especially to the Coast Guard, and he reminded the world that even amid disasters like this, we still need a variety of energy sources.

Gail Collins: Certainly true, but I suspect we won't be hearing a whole lot of "drill, baby, drill" in the near future.

David Brooks: It took a long time to get to the point when we stopped debating which energy source was best and started agreeing that we need a lot of different sources. The debate went from "x or y" to "x and y." We could have lost that near-consensus, but Obama kept his head, while still putting pressure on BP. Those are small acts of statesmanship, but valuable ones.

I especially appreciate this because I have never been able to assign moral value to different energy sources. ..."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 May 10 - 12:13 PM

Not again! Don't you have anything meaningful to do today, Amos? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 May 10 - 12:21 PM

Today?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: michaelr
Date: 08 May 10 - 01:06 AM

In the news today: BP's application for the Deepwater Horizon well was approved without an Environmental Impact Report. They were given an exemption intended for projects mith minimal impact such as building outhouses or hiking trails.

It's inconceivable this could have happened without someone getting paid off.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 08 May 10 - 01:16 AM

But what does that have to do with Obama? Don't tell me they've done all the planning and work on this thing since January 2008?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 08 May 10 - 01:16 AM

Um, I mean January 2009. Nothing like a brain fart to ruin a good piece of spleen.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: michaelr
Date: 08 May 10 - 11:08 AM

I'm not blaming Obama. I was responding to an exchange between bb and Amos from May 5, before all that Chongo nonsense appeared in this thread.

In fact, I don't know when the Gulf well was approved; it may have been when Bush was still in office. If anyone was paid off, it was likely someone in Mineral Management, which had some kind of sex/corruption scandal in recent years, IIRC.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 10 - 11:50 AM

Little Hawk

That brief excerpt from a discussion between David Brooks and Gale whoosis from the New York Times is a lot more germane to this thread than all your bullshit about imaginary ne'er-do-well mini-cephalic simians.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 May 10 - 04:52 PM

Heh! Feeling a bit titchy today, are we, Amos?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 08 May 10 - 07:06 PM

Either it was when Bush was still in office, or they approved it, built a rig in a mile of water, and drilled 35k feet in a single year. That's some feat.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: michaelr
Date: 08 May 10 - 08:10 PM

Yeah, it would be interesting to find out more about MMS's approval process.

However, the Deepwater Horizon was not a "rig" that was "built" in a mile of water. It was a ship that traveled there under its own power.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama disappoints again
From: mousethief
Date: 08 May 10 - 09:32 PM

I knew that.