BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover

Subject: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: MARINER
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 06:51 PM

I have just found some mention of the trial of Shawna Forde for the murder of a man and his young daughter in Tucson in 2009.It astonishes me that, as a regular watcher of CNN and Fox I have never heard it mentioned. Yet if a car crashes in the middle of nowhere they ,especially Fox, are all over it. How Come ?. Is there a ban on the reporting of this horrendous crime and trial ?.Perhaps I have missed it but neither have I seen a mention of it here either.Why ?

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 11:17 PM

Arivaca is a small town, an hour south of Tucson, but...

I don't remember hearing about this myself, although I don't read the Tucson paper any more and mostly I get local news on the public radio station.

Tragic.

Murder in the Desert, in the Tucson Weekly, January 2010.

Trial in Arivaca killings starts this week, in the Arizona Daily Star (Tucson).

~ Becky in Long Beach (and often Tucson)

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 11:33 PM

Fox isn't going to report on the Forde case, because they don't want egg on their faces. CNN is too busy with Egypt right now, and of course there's the superbowl. I don't know why they didn't cover this when it happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: MARINER
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 02:39 AM

Hmm! I have noted that the accused are said to be an offshoot of some Minute Man group and the victims Hispanic and can't help thinking that were the roles reversed, ie. ,the victims White and the accused Hispanic, O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck would be all over it like a rash.They would be tried ,and convicted in the great court of Cable News. Would I be correct in my assumption , do you think ?.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 01:06 PM

I read the articles linked to by Desert Dancer, above. They seemed to push every emotional and manipulative button they could, while being short on facts and evidence.

I'm out of here. Except to say, Mariner, that I really don't think our country looks the other way when a man murders a little girl in cold blood. Hispanic, white, or not. I suspect you have been reading and believing too many of those articles.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: MARINER
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 01:44 PM

I don't live in your country and I am just trying to figure out why this trial is getting so little coverage. Seeing that it is being so sparsely covered the only information appears to be from such as the links above, so what do you expect people to think ?.If someone crashed a car or got into a chase with the police in Dog's Dick Montana or some other hub of the universe Fox would be giving it blanket coverage yet when a Hispanic child gets so cruelly murdered ,not a word!.One can but surmise that the reason might just be political and doesn't fit into the Fox scenario.Please forgive me if this annoys you ,but I come from a country where News Channels actually report news, not just what suits their political agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 02:44 PM

"I come from a country where News Channels actually report news, not just what suits their political agenda." Mariner

If they did NOT, you would never know, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: pdq
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 03:06 PM

What MARINER really said was...

         "I come from a country where my politics is reported as NEWS, therefore it must be TRUTH."

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 03:19 PM

I'm in Everett, Washington, (USA) and she was actually captured and arrested here. She spent quite a while in our local jail. Her trial is getting some coverage up here in our local press. bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 03:22 PM

Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover



FOX, Lou Dobbs, Shawna Forde. Huh!

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: MARINER
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 06:38 PM

No pdq all political views from all parties are reported as news. Some of it I don't agree with but at least the general public is kept informed and can make up their own minds .

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 12:10 AM

I can't do much, but I just forwarded the story to a couple of my acquaintances at the local paper. They aren't fans of Fox over there. So it might get featured.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 01:47 AM

I heard some fairly extensive discussion of the case and the possibilities of a death sentence on the news this evening. But then, I listen to National Public Radio, not Fox and their ilk.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: MARINER
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 02:53 AM

When I am in the US I listen to NPR as well. It is one of the news outlets that seem free of the baleful influence of The Dirty Digger.
By the way, my initial post was a genuine inquiry and I still am puzzled as to why the trial has so little coverage when news of a far lesser importance seems to be on a loop,popping up every few minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 05:29 AM

HEY MAGGIE ... check your MC PM's. bob

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 10:44 AM

Nothing there Bob - did you send to Stilly River Sage?

I'm up and running with a new computer and am finally to the point of doing the scanning and recording stuff I've wanted for years. I hope I'll find a few of the songs you've asked about in the process.

Back to your regular discussion. I must say that though I did hear this story, this woman sounds like such a loser that I personally have very little interest in her activities and no sympathy with her current circumstances. She sounds like a social cancer from the get go, who managed to take a lot of other like-minded idiots on her journey.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 12:53 PM

Maggie ... for some reason I've lost your real e-mail addy? I sent you a note on MudCat PM. bob

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Neil D
Date: 06 Feb 11 - 03:50 AM

Huffington Post article

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 09:36 AM

Activist Shawna Forde guilty of migrants' murder

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 12:46 PM

"my initial post was a genuine inquiry and I still am puzzled as to why the trial has so little coverage"

I looked at the two articles linked above.   The articles make a big to-do of her anti-immigration bias and her supposed Minuteman connection, but that's such decoration, to keep from telling the same sordid story once again. Actually, the home invasion she was in was a typical drug crime. They thought there would be money and drugs in the home, and they wanted them. Killing a small child is druggie behavior.

Google 'drug-child-death', and you will see accounts from all over the country about this.

It is sad but true that while illegal drug use is decreasing, the brutality of druggies gets worse all the time. Sad to say, shooting a young child is not rare for these people. I feel very bad about the Brisenia's death, but I have deaths right in my own home town to grieve. Three-year-old Luz, for example, who was shot to death by 15-year-olds who were after her uncle. The teacher who was shot by 'a stray bullet' while coming home from a play. The tragedies go on and on.

Poor little Luz, with her beautiful dark eyes! I wish I could take her in my arms and protect her from the bad guys, but I can't. It's too late.

And have you paid attention to what's going on in Mexico? Thousands of deaths!

The next time somebody says that drug use is 'a victimless crime,' please give them an earful.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: pdq
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 01:19 PM

...this is what happened to Shawna Forde in early 2009:

Head of the Minuteman American Defense Attacked

"On Monday night at around 8pm Shawna was in her kitchen when she was brutally attacked. She was cold cocked and beaten with a bat or some kind of instrument all over her body. She was also cut with a blade on several locations of her body including her neck. She was raped and she prefers not to release any further details at this time.

There was a large 13 with a circle around it. During her statement she could recall someone calling to "drown the bitch" as she was being raped. When in the hospital the officer asked if she had drawn a bath she told him "no". After returning home the next day her tub was filled with water.

She is recovering slowly and in a lot of pain. She remember's a young boy, possibly a white male and another that spoke in Spanish. She believes there to be 3 attackers at this time and in and out of consciousness she recalls some Spanish being spoken. She has had some memory return but it is still blurry.

Shawna has been investigating drug cartel operations from Nogales to Sells. She had broken in pretty deep as far as locations and the ins and out of operations. She was working on discovering the connections here in WA state along with human trafficking of young girls."

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 01:58 PM

pdq - source for your info?

From the Tucson Weekly article linked above:

Shawna Forde did not enjoy what would be called an ideal childhood.

As an infant, she was placed up for adoption. By age 20, she had a history of prostitution, felonies and theft. Her name came up again in Everett, Wash., between December 2008 and January 2009, when she was at the center of the violent spree that she blamed on Mexican drug cartels. That rampage included the shooting of her husband and the alleged attack against her by members of MS-13. Later, she showed up in an alley with gunshot wounds. But Everett police quickly cast doubt on her rape claims. And those who knew her smelled a setup, aimed at gaining attention. Among them was her half-brother, Merrill Metzger.

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The facts of the attack on her appear to be in question. And that ist to say nothing of the fact that such an injury to her might excuse her replying in kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 04:51 PM

Sorry, garbled my last sentence in editing. It should read,

And that is to say nothing of the fact that such an injury to her should not excuse her replying in kind.

Forde convicted in killing of Arivaca man, daughter, Arizona Daily Star, yesterday.

The jury has found her eligible for the death penalty.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: LadyJean
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 11:46 PM

The story hasn't gotten much coverage where I live, because we don't have a large Hispanic population here. We had two rampage shootings here in Pittsburgh in 2000, both racially motiviated. But neither got any press coverage outside of the city.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 04:54 AM

The story hasn't gotten much coverage where I live, because we don't have a large Hispanic population here.

That would seem to say something really worrying about the way people think where you live, LadyJean. What's the "race" of a nine-year-old murder victim got to do with anything?

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 03:57 PM

Race has nothing to do with it.

These crimes are happening everywhere. We even have a term for them - home invasions. Why would a newspaper or broadcaster devote space to a crime in Arrivaca when it could report on a similar crime right at home?

As time passes, fewer people are doing illegal drugs. This means that dealers get more for customers, inventory and money all the time. They are cold-blooded, stupid and violent. We need to face this.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 04:49 PM

Race has nothing to do with it.

LadyJean's comment: "because we don't have a large Hispanic population here" seemed to indicate that she thought it did.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 17 Feb 11 - 12:11 AM

Well, I'm convinced she was wrong. LadyJean may live 1000 miles from Brisenia and Gina, you know. America is huge.

The media and the government, meanwhile, are publicizing issues such as "Should we let people use plastic shopping bags?" and "Do you buy your vegetables from local farmers?"

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 07:23 PM

Tucson jury sentences border activist to death.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:13 AM

border activist?

Oh please....

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 12:45 PM

Their words, not mine!

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: LadyJean
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:09 PM

The killings were on the other side of the country from where I live. We don't get a lot of news about eastern Pennsylvania here in western Pennsylvania.

You'd have thought Nancy Grace of Headline News, the scourge of child murderers, and accuse child murderers, and suspected child murderers, well you get the idea, would have said a good deal about the case. She didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 02:21 PM

A profound film on Shawna Forde - an Arizona Daily Star columnist's note about a film made by a Belgian filmmaker about Shawna Forde (with a link to the 50-minute film on Vimeo).

"What he's produced is a surprisingly profound, profoundly sad 50-minute video on Forde and her family. The movie is not about the murders per se, and it does not focus much on the victims. Some viewers may not like that. But I think it does a great job explaining in an oblique way how we got here, to the May 30, 2009 murders and their aftermath. It does so with beautiful landscape videography that creates a dream-like atmosphere that deepens as the film goes on."

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: BS: Shawna Forde trial, why so little cover
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 06:24 PM

Becky, I understand. Not to worry.

How many of you have heard of Gevonte Anderson? He was just convicted of shooting his former girlfriend and her new beau to death. Her nephews, age 9 and 7 were visiting, so he stabbed them both to death. The 7-year-old was stabbed 125 times.

He left his one-year old son to toddle about the place, weeping and covered in blood, till someone found him hours later. It's a good thing he was too little to be a witness.

But wait, there's no racial angle, so who cares, really?