I walked out of session

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:45 PM

Go use those hankies for your morris dancing,Gizmo and stick your opinions where the sun don't shine. Morris dancing pussy!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:02 PM

Our last pussy was called Gizmo! He didn't dance Morris though. Used to sneeze a lot. Why would anyone want to stick their opinions in our cellar btw? That's the only place I can think of where the sun don't shine.

DtG

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:21 PM

... politicans's brains?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Peace
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:47 PM

"Morris dancing pussy!"

A strange image there.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:53 PM

"Well, Cluin, what sort of prats come to your gigs to watch you doing that?"


I call them the audience, melodeonboy. I don't look down on them (or people from other sides of anything either). They are just like me. They go out to have a good time. Their buying the drinks and being happy and tipping both me and the bar staff keeps the place in business. My keeping them buying the drinks keeps me in a gig. I'm not delivering a lesson in culture; I'm entertaining. If I can't engage them at least as much as the boob tube, with help of my microphone and amplified instruments, I have no business being up there. I don't blame my shortcomings on intrusive modern life, insensitive bar managers or undesireable audience members.

And often what happens on the TV is part of the fun. Part of engaging the audience, sharing fun with them. We're there to keep the party going, not make them shut up and tow the line and listen quietly. They have enough of that in their everyday lives.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: number 6
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:54 PM

I think he's referring to the Morris car .. they were real clunkers (like clogging) weren't they.

.. i'm gone.

biLL

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Gizmo
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 07:16 PM

Guest,

How about we have a nice intelligent debate, minus the insults.

Perhaps you could PM with your opinions, and likewise I will take on board on what constructive things you may say. Otherwise, I will just assume that this is just attention grabbing nonsense, and not worth any of my time to reply to you in future.

Rest assured, it is not that I can't, I just won't.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:18 AM

"is just immature"

That's answering like with like....

" How about we have a nice intelligent debate"
Show any sign of it, and sure.... Or are you just here to suck and moan that someone used some 'language', like a sobbing pussy-man?

"I have no business being up there."
You have lots of business being up there... People who whine and suck and piss and moan that the whole world doesn't stop and sniff everytime they fart are the ones who have no business being in front of a crowd...

If you can entertain in a bar, you can entertain anywhere.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:15 AM

Prick.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:23 AM

This discussion was supposed to be about sessions not gigs. A gig is for entertaining others (hopefully), a session is for sharing with other musicians. In the latter you hope that other customers (the session participants are also customers) enjoy the music and come back to listen but that's not necessary.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:26 AM

I would even talk to an arsehole like that.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,King Solomon
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:39 AM

If he was any good one might see some ground for his uncouth conceit.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Shaneo
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 06:56 AM

I have heard that the t.v will be turned off in the future for the sessions on mondays.We had only sang three songs before I left,
still I wont be back.mabey I'm too stubborn ?
This was the set list for the night.

The Ferryman
This Land Is Your Land[Irish version]
The Nightingale
Uncle Nobby's Steamboat
Trad.Tunes
Home Boys Home
[invite a singer from the bar to sing]
Joe Hill
Leaving Nancy
The Streets Of London
Monto
A Pair Of Brown Eyes
Irish Soldier Laddie
More trad tunes
James Larkin
Black Is The Colour
[invite more singers from bar]
Sam Hall
Whiskey On A Sunday
A Soldier's Song


Thanks for the comments ,

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:46 AM

Good God!

Somebody actually PLANNED the songs IN ADVANCE?!

Bloody Hell! What an interesting concept!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Ernest
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:46 AM

A session with a pre-fabricated set list sounds a bit strange to me. I know that every session has it`s "standards", but a set list sounds more like a gig or a rehearsal. I`ve seen sessions where a group of musicians playing together as a band elsewhere dominated a session but this was something only the other musicians (or close followers) noticed.

Are you doing those songs regularly so that people might have thought there were less repetitions on tv?*

Best
Ernest


*= highly improbable, I know...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:48 AM

Wait a minute - there's hope yet...

Please don't tell me that the group of musos REHEARSED as a group beforehand?!!!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:50 AM

Hmm. Not all that purist but surely eclectic enough to provide something for most people - or maybe too bland to rivet?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:17 AM

If you can entertain in a bar, you can entertain anywhere.

Not true. What is might be considered entertaining in a bar in Windsor, Ontario would not be considered 'entertaining' in many other locations around the world.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:54 AM

"What do you call an act like that?"

"The ARISTOCRATS!"

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:56 AM

Don't forget the Drew Carry finger-snap on the punch-line, mate!

It makes or breaks the joke

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 11:09 AM

"I walked out of session"

Minced out more like.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Shaneo
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:05 PM

When there is drink involved sometimes it is good to have a list of songs to know where you are going.
With five in a band there is usually a bit of debate as to what song/tune is next. This can waste a lot of time.
We have about 200 songs/tunes and it can be good to have a few written down in front of yourself just as a reminder, sometimes the mind goes blank,
Seldom would we stick to the set list.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:33 PM

Try Tone Deaf Leopard's "Born to Drink Mild" to get their attention...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Gulliver
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:41 PM

If you enjoy the session, and have nothing better to do anyway on Monday nights, go back. No use cutting off your nose to spite your face--life's too short to keep grudges. I'm sure your mates will be glad to see you.

I too jot down a few songs that I want to do before the session--my memory fades in proportion to the amount of Guinness drunk!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:14 PM

"life's too short to keep grudges"

I'm reminded of the song that says

"Life is too short to worry
Life is too long to wait"


The rest are here

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:16 PM

Life's too short to not have regrets.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

Nice one Clinton. That's it in a nutshell.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Shaneo
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:30 PM

Thanks Clinton , great sentiments in that song , so maybe a leopard can change it's spots after all.
Sometimes you can get so worked up on the little things that you fail to see the big picture.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:21 PM

I rarely even consider trying to see the "Big Picture"... the whole damn thing is too damn big and too damn uncontrolled to worry much about...

Try to keep your strings pretty much in tune
Try to keep your feet warm and dry
If ya gotta drive, don't drink too much
If ya gotta drive, find all the best places to drive fast!

It's just life... it's not rocket surgery.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:50 PM

That set list wasn't something I'd go out of my way to listen to or join in on if I were over that way - apart from the "trad tunes", there was hardly anything of Irish origin in it. If I want to hear English, Scottish and American stuff I've heard a zillion times before, I can do that over here.

Is there anywhere in Dublin where you can hear songs like those in "Sam Henry's Songs of the People", or traditional songs in Irish?

(I'd much rather listen to that set than a TV any day, though).

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:18 PM

Funny, Jack. Over here it's Irish, Scottish and American stuff I've heard a zillion times and didn't want to hear in the first place, and where is the English stuff I want? You must have it there in Ireland. Can we swap?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: kendall
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 06:14 PM

Well, surprise, surprise. Clinton is wrong again. No where did I criticize anyone for liking a song. Nowhere did I criticize anyone for anything. Nowhere did I resort to name calling, but believe me with the years I spent at sea I damn well could.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 06:26 PM

"05 Dec 06 - 04:46 PM"
"If a performer is so needy..."
"It's pathetic..."

But yet you maintain you didn't critizise anyone for anything??? Or resort to name calling?!?!?

I suppose if I ever got my head that far up my backside I'd forget what I posted too....

You got a cupboard full of milk jugs too, Kendall? Maybe you're keeping your frying pan in the sweater drawer?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 06:43 PM

Never walk out of a session
It wont teach no one a lesshen
depressed and pisshed...?
Go on! slash your wrissht!
that's what I call discretion.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Gulliver
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:09 PM

GUEST,Jack Campin: No one is asking you to listen or join in Shaneo's session. I play with similar sets, for two reasons: the musicians are happy playing them and the punters are happy listening or joining in. Usually singers from the floor contribute their own favourites, or the musicians might decide to go off in a different direction, and sing only Dublin songs, or only love songs or rebel songs or whatever. Every week in our sessions different musicians drop by and join in--last week Mary Black was one.   With the right combination and atmosphere you can have great crack with simple songs--the singalongs are best. And most musicians in a Dublin session can call on a wide range of material when needed (as an aside, our little group can sing in Irish, Spanish, Italian, Napulitano, German and Yiddish, and play corresponding tunes). But we fill the pubs we play in every week with the songs people know.

The folk tradition is kept alive, the musicians have a chance to meet up and play and improve their skills (and get paid or free drink), the punter has a good time and only has to pay for his drink--what's wrong with that?   

Sam Henry collected his songs eighty years ago in rural areas in the North East corner of the country, so there won't be many Dubliners familiar with this material, but there are also sessions that concentrate on traditional Irish and Irish-language material, and of course there are gigs, which you have to pay into, with the likes of Patrick Street, Altan, Dervish, etc.

Slainte, Gulliver

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:18 PM

Never walk when punters talk
As you try to sing your song.
Have some sense, don't take offence,
They're doing nothing wrong.
Don't take the huff, just do you're stuff,
Don't feel misunderstood.
The point you're missin' is that they'll listen
If you're any good.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:23 PM

Just to answer Jack Campin's question:

Yes - there are places in Dublin where you'll hear songs (Irish, English, Scottish..) of which Sam Henry collected versions, and lots of songs in Irish too. The most reliable is the Goilín Singers Club in Mayes pub in Dorset Street on Friday nights - lots of reference ot it in other threads. But beware! You might also hear more familiar songs, music hall favourites, American songs, the odd Polish song etc. etc. etc. In short, with luck, you'll be at a true, organic singing session where the playlist evolves from the conscious, subconscious and occasionally unconscious minds of those present - with no real distinction between "singers" and "listeners". It's not perfect - at times it's a very long way from perfect - but above all, its not "precious"!

Regards

Regards

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:26 PM

Why would anyone be as rude as Clinton is being? Just sign me - puzzled in Portland -- Love you, Kendall!!!!!!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: kendall
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:43 PM

Who did I criticize? Name someone.
I'm beginning to think you took it personal. That was not my intent, just a general observation.
Old saying "Throw a rock into a pack of dogs, only the one it hits will yelp."

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 08:37 PM

Clinton rude? You're wrong there dude,
He tells it like it is.
I think you'll find that he speaks his mind
In a style that's surely his.
Kendall's a guy who don't see eye to eye
With Clinton, he only finds fault,
Their sparring just serves to get on his nerves
It's a shame that they can't call a halt.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Effsee
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:21 PM

Sheesh, that's not Mohammed Ali we have on board here is it?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 11:51 PM

No, no - he'd be too scared to show his face here ...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 12:40 AM

So, after a busy week and a nice mellow glass of beaujolais, I click on this thread wondering if at least one of the world's problems has been solved, that of bands competing with the television in bars.

Silly me, thinking the thread might still be on track. Or that a suggestion to solve the problem might actually have been noticed.

Ah, well. Back to the BS section. It's safer down there. . . I probably won't revisit this thread, so don't bother to snipe. . .

SRS

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 12:42 AM

"just a general observation"

... that was a load of arrogant horseshit!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 02:53 AM

No, CH, to call you an arrogant load of horseshit is to insult horseshit.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 04:45 AM

Just bite the bit, don't talk of horseshit,
The one thing it's good for is roses.
Don't talk of shite, then maybe you might
Convince us before this thread closes.
If it's your passion to talk in this fashion
To try and put over your case,
Try and remember in front of each member
You're both of you just losing face.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Shaneo
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 06:36 AM

My full list of songs is here

These are the songs that you will here at nearly all sessions in Ireland, I play most of them regurarly , This is my own site and my contribution to keeping our songs alive.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:03 AM

Great library of lyrics, Shaneo - thanks!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: kendall
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:15 AM

Yup, I struck a nerve alright.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:37 AM

Kendall - aren't you supposed to be convalescing? I do hope you find this fellow more of an amusing distraction than a petty annoyance ...