BS: we are in danger.....

Subject: BS: we are in danger.....
From: tarheel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:04 AM

Our country is in grave danger and we should be worried. Worried for ourselves, for our families, neighbors, and eveyone who is a citizen in this country.

I know you are thinking I am some kind of nut, but lets consider what is going on. First of all, since the demorcrates too over in the November elections, it seems that those in the republican party are being ousted, investigeted, fired, bashed, trashed and etc. Why is this? Because Clinton was impeached? Is this tit for tat, get even time?

They are trying to convience everyone that going to Iraq was wrong, it's an illegal war. Now, they are trying their best to bring our troops home. Well maybe they will succeed, who knows. But isn't that just want the terrorist want? Don't they think that our armed services are weak and cowards and if the people whine enough, popular opinion will win and they will "cut and run."

What's going to happen if we lose this one and the military of our great country are called home? That will give the terrorist the oppurtunity they are waiting for. How long do you think it will be before there is a blood bath in the mid-east. Far worse than any one can comprehend. How long do you think it will take them to hit our shores? You say it won't happen? Are you willing to gamble with the lives of our citizens and as a matter of fact, America, as we know it.

When we pay too much attention to the politically correct agenda, I call it a cult, sorry folks, but that is my opinion, it becomes extreme and I don't think that is what it is all about. When you start paying more attention to John Doe insulted Mary and call for a law suit, then I believe it is time to back down, change this stupidity and get back on track. More attention is given to the government stepping into the rights of a christian than they seem to be in securing our borders, north, south, east and west, than they are in protecting our homeland. A land called America that was fought for, gained its' freedomes and became great. It became great because those were willing to fight, die and therefore accomplish a goal to keep our country free from all atrocities.

The goverment is so crazed and mixed up today, via all parties involved. We need some of the old school republican and democrates back in office. Those who aren't afraid to open their mouths in fear of being canned, sued, or dethroned. We need canidates strong and will say what they mean, and mean what they say. I haven't seen any pop up yet. Our nation should get back to prayer, prayer for our leaders, our service personnel and those in charge to keep our country safe and secure, not only for ourselves, but our children, grandchildren, and their children.

If you could stop bashing, trashing, and condeming, perhaps you could find time to bow on bended knee and ask God for help. This country is great, the greatest country in the world, people sneak in, come in illegally just to get here. If it weren't so great, why would they want to?

However if it keeps going on the downward trend, how long do you suppose it will remain a giant amoung all nations? How long do you think we will be looked up as the strongest and free nation we project to be? I think we are growing weaker, day by day, week by week and especially year by year.

When it became apparent that it takes a village to raise our kids, it began a whole new can of worms. No one needed to help me raise my kids, especially a village or the government. No one need tell me where, when, or how I can pray, home, school or public establishment, nor do they need to tell me how to end a prayer in fear of insulting someone. If I insult someone.......good, then I know I am doing something right and what God has commanded us to do, the way He directed, and the source that we can refer to.

Wake up America, look to the future and not dwell on the past. Make changes where ever they need to be made and establish a government that will project the founding fathers blueprint.

Stand tall America, shine a light that other nations will follow into the dawn of a new day where political correctness is replaced by politically incorrectness. Stand up, be strong, express you love for our God, this country, our citizens and provide the means for saftey of our fellow man.
tar...

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: John O'L
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:41 AM

That's the tomohawk calling the hatchet blunt isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:13 AM

Might as well sharpen it (the hatchet) with a banana. LOL

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: skarpi
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:38 AM

Tarheel, you should be glad for those soldiers to go home
and defend you r country , the so called president of your
country should be in shame , how he treats you wounded soldiers
and another thing why are you after the oil ?? why dont spent more
money on hydrogyn power ?? help us Icelanders to finish what
we have started to make this power we everything to make it
and at the same time these changes of the earth may recover and be normal
again
we should not be in need of the arab oil .

take you r soldiers home to their familys and help them
to recover after this madness .

all the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:46 AM

You have access to great meds, tarheel. A generation envies you.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:34 AM

I guess as Christians we can't sometimes understand how people can 'allow' certain things to happen Tarheel....but whatever suggestions we make our words will disappear into the mist of time as have those of the Bible for so many people...although some non-Christians still quote the Bible in an effort to deny Christianity. The decline in Society is predicted in the Bible, as is the fall but we need to be patient and vigilant if we accept the truth of Gods word.
No-one said being a Christian would be easy and it will predictably get harder leading to persecution and possibly death for those who are faithful followers but we can't change the so called 'progress' within this world.
Take it easy friend, relax a bit and wait for the inevitable changes that are coming.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:47 AM

GS,

If that's gonna happen, then there is NOTHING we can do. And in North America, it's the fundies who are persecuting others at this point. Hate to take issue with you on this, but that's where it's at right now, IMO. Best to you.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: John O'L
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:22 AM

My God's gonna bash your God but good...

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:48 AM

tarheel, I appreciate your concern for your country. Everyone else is equally concerned, I assure you, including people in other countries. Most of the people in the other countries think that yours has been taken over by a criminal administration that is launching illegal wars.

Could it be that you're backing the wrong side? Consider that it is always a possibility.

You assert that the USA is "the greatest country in the world". How would you feel to hear a Frenchman assert that France is the greatest country in the world? Or a Canadian assert that Canada is the greatest country in the world? Or a Russian? Or a Chinese? They're all great countries in one respect or another. You have to remember how it sounds to people in other countries who are also proud of their own country and believe in it when you say that the USA is "the greatest country in the world". There IS no greatest country in the world. Never was, never will be. We are equals before God, tarheel.

You mention that a lot of people want to move to the USA. True. But did you know that of all the G8 nations, Canada is the one growing the fastest from immigration? Per capita, tarheel, we are more popular with immigrants than the USA is. Maybe that's because we are better liked in the world, it's safer here, and we have free medicare. Consider the possibility that not everyone thinks the USA is the ultimate and best place to move to.

You are worried about terrorists. Well, you should be! When a huge superpower sends its corporate hitmen all over the world and sends its army in and invades people who won't do what its business community wants, then you can expect a terrorist response to that. Did you think that the terrorists just appeared suddenly for no reason other than that they are "evil" or that they are "religious fanatics"? You are mistaken. They appeared directly because of the actions of American business people and the USA armed forces overseas.

They believe they are defending their homelands and their ways of life.

You're just backing the wrong horse, my friend, that's all. You're on the wrong side, but you don't realize it. Your government is the biggest terrorist on the face of the Earth right now. You're in the same frustrating and troubling position as a loyal, patriotic German or Japanese soldier would have been in in 1944. The side you're backing is NOT defending the American way of life, it's betraying it.

But, hey, do I expect you to believe that??? Naw....

Go ahead and be concerned, but don't imagine that the rest of us aren't equally concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: kendall
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 06:39 AM

I don't mean to "Pile on", or write a long winded response, so I'll just sum up how I see it:

A little boy came home with a black eye, and his Father asked how he got it. The boy said "It all started when he hit me back."

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Bee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:07 AM

I won't add to the responses to tarheel...'nuff said... but Georgiansilver:

"...although some non-Christians still quote the Bible in an effort to deny Christianity." - Georgiansilver

On another thread, another Christian tells me the only proper and useful way to argue with a Christian is to understand and use their theology, one's own logic and reason is not enough. AFAICS, there's no satisfying Christians - they appear to have 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' down to a science.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:16 AM

Excellent Kendall.

Thanks for sharing that one.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:04 AM

Matthew 22:21. Also Ecclesiastes 3:1-22.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:15 AM

If you beat a dog it will become mean.

If you let sleeping dogs lie , they will sleep.

The Germans ended up making the Jewish population stronger.

What does not kill a people or myth, makes it stronger.

Only England was able to totally exterminate an entire race/tribe of people right down to the last female, and they were the Tasmanians.

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The more America attacks Muslims the more they will seek the empire/Caliphate that is legend to them.

We are in danger in that nuclear weapons and germ warfare are currently waiting on standby on both sides.

The atmosphere knows no political border.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Bee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:26 AM

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/aboriginal/beothuk.html

Not only England. The Beothuks of Newfoundland were exterminated by a combination of European people, including English, with some assistance from the Mi'q Ma'q First Nation, although disease was a major factor in their extinction as well.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:20 PM

There is documentation that bin Laden hoped that the US would go to war (although he thought it would be Afghanistan where we would drain ourselves of our blood and resources). If - and it is a BIG if - we go home before we have destroyed ourselves, don't you think it possible that bin Laden will be disappointed?

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: kendall
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:55 PM

And there were the Arawaks and the Careeb Indians that Columbus and his VD infested gang killed off by infecting and working them to death.

Why do we celebrate Columbus Day?

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: bobad
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:03 PM

"Why do we celebrate Columbus Day?"

Because he was a good christian bringing salvation to the heathens in the name of God and king.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:09 PM

Excellent point, Donuel. Yes, the Nazis quite unintentionally and very stupidly made the Jews stronger. The Roman persecutions of Christians made the Christians stronger. The Americans and French made the Vietnamese stronger. The Israelis and Palestinians have been mutually making each other stronger for quite some time now. The Americans are doing an incredible job at making Muslim fundamentalism stronger all over the world.

As you say, "What does not kill a people or myth, makes it stronger."

There is no friggin' way the USA will ever succeed in destroying or finally defeating Islam.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:38 PM

Hmmmmm???

Let me see if I have this right there, t-heel...

We were attacked by 19 Saudis on 9/11, so we've, ahhhh, now attacked two other countries, we've been told that our attacking one (Iraq) has emboldened the terrorists, there are now more act of terrorism in the world than any time prior to 9/11, and you say we should continue down this path???

Insanity= repeating a behavior, expecting differnt results...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:04 PM

Remember the World sympathy and support the US had after 9-11.

IF it happened again a dozen times over, the US would not get that World sympathy and support back.

way to go neo cons

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Bee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:48 PM

Oh, I think American citizens in general still rate a fair amount of world sympathy - but my dear friends: your government!

When I look at US people posting on Mudcat, f'rinstance, it is only one or two who personify the paranoid, ultra-nationalist, isolationist sort. I think there's one on every niche message board. They do congregate at some sites made special for 'em, where they no doubt create great quote mines for opposing extremists of whatever country.

When I think of 9/11, I think of the tourists from Iowa I met, here on vacation, kind of sad and lost, yet still able to pause and compliment us on our beautiful province, and admire the way every home had a garden and flowering bushes. They were nice people, and we felt deeply for them. That kind of memory can't be erased by the likes of George Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:52 PM

I certainly believe that the US is in grave danger. There is danger from without because of the actions of our government in the interests of major busincess conglomerates and danger from within due to having placed people in high office who have no regard for the people of this country and because so many good intentioned citizens have been manipulated by carefully constructed lies and fear. The best defense this country has against terrorism is leaving Iraq. Certainly terrorists will claim a victory and Bush certainly hopes to see the war continue until he is out of office. I suspect the terrorists hope to see the war continue as well as it provides their best recruiting tool.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: GUEST,curious
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:01 PM

The same "cut and run" hype was peddled in the U.S. during the Vietnam war years, tarheel. Didn't sell then, won't sell now.

I'm curious, do you think GWBush is a Christian?

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:02 PM

BEE...you stated:-
On another thread, another Christian tells me the only proper and useful way to argue with a Christian is to understand and use their theology, one's own logic and reason is not enough. AFAICS, there's no satisfying Christians - they appear to have 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' down to a science.

Attempting to play one so called Christians views off against another is as simplistic as attempting to play one person off against another.
Could you please give me a reference for the other thread as I cannot believe a true Christian would suggest arguing with a Christian....

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 09:15 AM

I disagree with virtually everything Tarheel has said in this thread--but I'm so happy that he actually wrote his posting himself--instead of the usual Bushie approach of linking to all sorts of absurd websites or, even worse, cut and paste of those sources of wisdom.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 09:28 AM

"Cut and run" has to be one of the stupidest phrases ever invented. All of the top brass, including Bush has stated in public that we can not win a military victory over there. Cut and run? NO, I say use your friggin' head for something besides a hatrack! We went there looking for a fight and we found it. Trouble is, we bit off more than we could chew.
If we couldn't win in four years, what makes anyone think we can win at all?

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Bee
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 12:56 PM

"BEE...you stated:-
On another thread, another Christian tells me the only proper and useful way to argue with a Christian is to understand and use their theology, one's own logic and reason is not enough. AFAICS, there's no satisfying Christians - they appear to have 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' down to a science.

Attempting to play one so called Christians views off against another is as simplistic as attempting to play one person off against another.
Could you please give me a reference for the other thread as I cannot believe a true Christian would suggest arguing with a Christian...." - Georgiansilver

The other thread is "Confessions of Pete Stark". I am not attempting to play one Christian off against another. I am expressing frustration at constantly receiving mixed messages and getting chided for the method of dialogue I choose to use with regard to theism/atheism. This is a recurring theme - if you don't refer to scripture, you are dismissed, if you do, you are being underhanded. Perhaps I should have used the word 'debate' instead of 'argue': my understanding of the definition of these two words is that they are interchangeable, but of course, 'argue' has a secondary meaning of 'disagree strongly or angrily', which is not what I meant to convey in this instance.

Repeating for reference: "...although some non-Christians still quote the Bible in an effort to deny Christianity." - Georgiansilver

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 01:05 PM

Tarheel, invoking the name of god doesn't change the fact that we have a criminal syndicate operating in the White House that puts Al Capone to shame.

The danger is that the American people are asleep but may be beginning to wake up to the crimes committed by this administration.

The "cutting and running" was done a long time ago by buck-passing opportunists who have official status in our government.

This adminstration has trashed the Constitution in the name of greed and corruption.

There is a solution, for Americans to take back their Democratic ideals.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:26 AM

I cannot believe Tarheel really believes the stuff he wrote at the top of the thread. It's not even cohrent nonsense. He clearly enjoys winding people up.

As for all you Christians, you seem to have the New Testament as some kind of really special source of knowledge and the Old Testament as an opptional back up from which you pick and choose. Where do you stand on shellfish?

Their are many books in the Library, the Bible is one. It doesn't help me mend the car, lay a carpet or understand the history of the natural world and it won't help others with such tasks. However, it is a book in the Library and on my bookshelf. It is not the only book, it is not only your book it is mine too and I am an atheist.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Amergin
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:54 AM

He didn't write it....it is another cut and paste job. Not even an original thought in his skull.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:07 AM

Thanks, that clears that up. In a rational world wouldn't this end the thread?

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:23 AM

Les, you are deluded in thinking that this world is rational...


I'm not making this up you know...

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 12:21 PM

It just occurred to me how Bush gets so many votes. He appeals to the losers of the world.

Its the 'bully syndrome'. George Bush is the bully with all of the losers standing around cheering him on. They give him power and if he wins, they win. If he loses, they lose their only sense of power. They don't really care about right or wrong, they only care about emerging victorious so they can strut their stuff and feel like big men.

What they don't realize is that Bush does not have the capacity to care about them. He only cares about their support. Without the support of the insecure, he becomes the loser. Thats why the propaganda campaign based on creating a nation of fear, has been so successful.

Yes, tarheel, you are in danger because the people of the U.S. are no longer afraid. They no longer believe the lies that put fear in their hearts. They no longer support what is morally wrong and they understand that they can speak out and not be called traitors.

Curl up into a little ball of fear, cry for your fallen leader and find comfort in your bible but do not stand in the way of people who can stand on their own two feet and demand an end to a war based on lies.

Yes, tarheel, you are in danger.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:33 PM

"to keep our country free from all atrocities" - that just a fantasy version of American history. There proabbaly aren't any countries, definitely no big countries which have a history "free from all atrocities", and the USA is definitely not an exception to that.

The general opinion of Christians round the world is that regard pride iss a sin, and humility is a virtue. If there's a version of "Christianity" that sees it the other way round it ought maybe to call itself something else.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 07:18 AM

"to keep our country free from all atrocities"

Do atrocities committed 'in the country, of the country, by the country' count?


:-)

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 07:56 AM

"Only England was able to totally exterminate an entire race/tribe of people right down to the last female, and they were the Tasmanians."

Not so Donuel, England, or more correctly the British Government had very little to do with it. Those hardy sons of the soil, those intrepid pioneers, mostly land hungry settlers and ex-convicts, on the other hand did have something to do with it in large measure. They more or less governed themselves and did pretty much what they wanted to, with little or no interference from London.

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:55 PM

The real danger we face is a nuclear proliferation and a fellow in the white house with an itchy trigger finger.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: we are in danger.....
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:59 PM

He gives the orders. I hope there will be people with the fortitude to disobey that fuck's orders.