BS: Outbreak of honesty

Subject: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 12:19 PM

Dear Martin
Self knowledge comes as a surprise to some but not to others.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 12:30 PM

Martin's my buddy. That's that. Rough edges and all.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 12:36 PM

It's not honesty, but a whirlpool of confused identities vying for the speaker's hammer. Stirred up by wankers from without, which just redoubles the difficulty.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 12:44 PM

Self-knowledge is the most empowering thing I know of, and the pursuit of it is a lifelong task.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 01:28 PM

And if anyone ever tells you that they know themselves completely you can bet your bottom dollar that they are a log way from the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 01:55 PM

martin gibson is the most encowering catter, and his pursuit seems to be someone's task recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 02:29 PM

encowering ??????

Does that mean that MG cowers, or makes others cower?

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 02:31 PM

, makes others, i believe. this is open to interpretation, as the word was only invented half an hour ago!

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 02:32 PM

To cower is to cower. To encower must be to induce cowering in others. Martin Gibson has not had that effect, in all honesty.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 02:45 PM

Transitivity of the verb.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:08 PM

I like it: Stop trying to encower me! Or, You don't encower me!

Good one, freda

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: kendall
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:22 PM

Standing up for yourself imbiggins you

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:07 PM

Does standing up make one upstanding?

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:17 PM

Only if done with understanding.,...

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Amergin
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:25 PM

That's outstanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:59 PM

The trouble, when you come in as a GUEST, is that there's no way of knowing whether it's you or anyone else. It's a choice people make when they decide not to come in as members (or that's imposed on them sometimes by the computer system they are using.)

"Encowering" - that's a good neologism. Less clumsy than "disempowering", or "intimnidating" but has the same kind of meaning. And it doesn't sound so much like psychobabble either, for some reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:56 PM

"..To encower must be to induce cowering in others. Martin Gibson has not had that effect, in all honesty."

amos, to get back to the name of this thread (outbreak of honesty) i will now break out with something personal and honest. in doing so i will also break one of my own rules and say something which may call down the wrath of the real martin gibson.

martin, your continual outbreaks of negative assaults on various people here in the cat, i personally at one stage found very distressing. i have never said this before because i didn't want to get on your list of nasties that you want to hate.

i come in here to have fun, not to read a bucket of vitriol as it flies past. so now i don't read your comments any more, which seems to have solved the prob.

well, ive said it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 07:16 PM

As one of the targets of Martin's insulting attacks, I have to say that I've moved beyond being upset about what he says. That's the cruelest punishment of all, because he has openly stated that he comes in to insult people and expose their hipocrisy. Say wot u want, Martin. I no longer pay any attention to anything you say, as you've lost all credibility.

Still Jerry after all these years

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 07:37 PM

Well, there ya go, dear!! I was..dare I say it?...WRONG!! My god, my god. Will I ever recover fromt his? Oh, no. Say it ain;t so.

But what the hell. For you, I'll just take my medicine like a wombat. :>)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 07:50 PM

amos, no need for medicine. what a dill i was to be bothered! but just letting him know the eefct he can have.

x freda

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 08:04 PM

Since it's "GUEST,Martin Gibson" it's always quite possible that any particular post might be from someone completely different, so there is absolutely no point in bearing any animus towards someone who might not be the offender on any occasion. Why bother anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 08:45 PM

well said as usual, Mr McG. but some of us get side tracked occasionally. it was a matter of encountering, reacting, adjusting.

i have a capacity to empathise. this is usually a good quality, but can be a downfall sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 04:49 AM

Kevin the horrible thought just struck me, that any one of us could actually BE Martin Gibson. Scary or what?
Hey you out there; stop talking to yourself whoever you are!
John

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 05:33 AM

Any of us could be any of us... Deep and a bit frightening. Maybe we are all figments of each others imagination, ghosts in the machine...

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 05:37 AM

is anybody really out there, or is this like that Jim Carey movie?

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Megan L
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 01:07 PM

would the last figment out switch my imagination of

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 01:34 PM

Wow. (No exclamation point, but said in a Ben Stein deadpan)

I am a topic. Not that I am looking for the attention.

What is interesting is how some posters attack me by "pretending" they are me. I have considered giving up my "guest" position and looking into "the real thing" but probably won't if it also means giving up my privacy. I just haven't gotten around to it because frankly, it is just not that important to me.

As the "real guest Martin Gibson" I have not really attacked any one just to do it. I have in most cases given certain posters a nice dose of honesty from me because:

A. You deserve it.
B. You have anti-semetic undertones.
C. You are complete bullshit.
D. You are very boring and like to make this place so. (Jerry, I know you are reading this and you absolutely have no edge to your posts, and I assume your personality or your music).

The truth hurts. Sorry. Many of you really only post below the line and don't really notice that I tend to post more in the music section. There are many posters here who I do not read either and I do not really care if they read me. I usually don't for one of the reasons I list above.

My thanks to Brucie who I believe does know where I am coming from, and to Amos who though I don't always see eye to eye with, are regulars here who register zero on the bullshit meter.

So, while I contemplate "joining" I do know that there are some here who would really want me to do it, because they know that I do add a certain edge and entertainment to an otherwise sometimes very uninteresting place. I do not claim to have an obsession with it here or even consider it so much a part of their lifestyle as some others do. I just continue to be somewhat curious, contribute anonymously, a part time lurker and one who likes to sometimes jump right in and smack some of you right in the middle of your overly and blindly liberal little face. On another forum that was extremely right wing, I played the same part. Being a man in the middle moderate seems to bring this out in me.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 02:38 PM

Most people are moderate in their own estimation, aren't they? Or to put it another way...most people are reasonable in their own estimation.

And everyone believes in freedom...as long as it's their own idea of freedom. The sick mind seeks its own freedom, but directly at the expense of others' freedom.

It is also said that a healthy personality looks for the similarities in others, while an unhealthy one focuses primarily (or exclusively) on the differences. You can see that all the time in the political arena, which is mostly quite unhealthy.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 02:45 PM

Surely someone so supercilious would not deign to patronise an establishment as mundane as The Mudcat Cafe. I recommend you adopt the Groucho Marx viewpoint, in not joining any club that would accept you as a member. That's always assuming they would do so.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 05:39 PM

Actually Groucho Marx was one of my idols.

Surely someone so snobbish would not patronise an establishment that perhaps I or a Groucho would join.

So what does that mean Giok, you might quit if I join or what? I could join as someone with a different name altogether, perhaps? I could easily retire Martin Gibson and join as Jack MacKenzie for example.

I think you have let too many of the "fake" Martin Gibsons perhaps influence you so that perhaps you don't know which side is up. Some of those posters who have posed as me are your real threat. They are quite phony in dealing with this forum, don't you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 05:57 PM

All the Martin Gibson posts are fake.

They're every one written by Kay Harmony.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 06:00 PM

You might as well join, Martin. After all, "Martin Gibson" is a psuedonym anyway, isn't it? As Martin Gibson you are in no danger whatsoever of losing your privacy by posting on Mudcat unless you choose to reveal personal information in some post. But as a non-member you are continually in danger of other people grabbing your psuedonym and pretending to BE you. That's one reason why I joined early on (after a day or two of posting here). You are protected by membership, not compromised by it.

Now I'm not suggesting that this is necessarily of any importance to you, but that's how it is. Members are secure in their identity here. Guests are not.

While your baiting of "liberals" is at time quite understandable, I think the word "liberal" has been getting bad press lately (mostly in the USA). Historically speaking, every authoritarian regime in history has despised liberal forces, persecuted them, and been bolstered up by conservative forces. Thus, if it is your intent to rattle ivory towers, I would suggest that you are far more liberal in nature than you think you are.

But it's all a question of what you think the word "liberal" means...

The fact that it's such a no-no in present day America to be fingered as a "liberal" indicates that present day America is in an authoritarian and paranoid mood. This does not bode well for liberty or freedom.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 06:21 PM

Little Hawk, fine words.

Yes, I am more liberal than probably many realize. I was far from a flag waving Nixonite during the Viet Nam war. Very far. Many know I am from Chicago, still here. I was there on Columbus and Balbo in 1968 during the Democratic convention. I was on a college campus demonstrating and singing and playing guitar doing the Youngbloods Love One Another tune during the Cambodian occupation shortly after the Kent State incident during the moratorium of 1970. My hair was so long, I could trip on it.

I am not the same liberal any longer. Yes, the liberals have taken a beating in present day America and to me it's obvious why and some of it rightfully so. Yet, I do not at all feel threatened by a loss of liberty or freedom. I pretty much live my life as I see fit anyway.

I appreciate your candor. The ability to speak one's mind is always going to offend someone somewhere. This place is no different.

I will consider joining. If that makes a few squirm, that is wholly their problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 06:34 PM

Martin Gibson:

I would love for you to join. Doesn't mean we won't get into a few, but what the hell. Life's short. Make it happen. However, I have come to like the Martin Gibson name, having one of the former and having had one of the latter. Maybe think of keeping it.

Brucie.

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 08:39 PM

Well, and if it has been tainted for your use by the slithy toves who keep abusing it, you could invent another like Parlor Dreadnought, or Purling F-Hole. Just to continue the theme, y'know?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 10:09 PM

Knit One, Purl Two?

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 05:23 AM

No MG I wouldn't leave on your account, after all I've been insulted by experts, so a few 'Windy City' barbs are as nought to me.
Seriously though, you should join, that would stop whoever it is from posting as you.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 05:31 AM

yes, go ahead and join. I order you to!


fred

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 05:55 AM

Martin,
do join. Or not. Probably. Under this name. Or another. And we'll never know. Or you'll tell us it was you.
Like it matters, on a lovely Sunday morning...

Subject: RE: BS: Outbreak of honesty
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 07:02 AM

I agree that you would be a welcome addition to the membership. I've only just come onboard myself, and all I read on this site is an amazing diversity of opinions. Yours is often very rewarding, MG. I think we miss much if we surround ourselves with only like-minded individuals. How can we learn, and keep an open mind if we aren't tweaked by those who question us?