Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 07:24 PM

Apparently this is the center of the universe.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 07:30 PM

Peace - that's not just cool that's CHILLY!

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:19 PM

You folks are beginning to scare me . . . .

Peppers me a#se, sIx. That is a galactic cluster. It is a shot that was taken by a friend of mine who lives in THIS spiral galaxy.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:23 PM

AND, further to THAT while we're on it, another frind of mine who lives here in a nebula (the name of which escapes me just now) was with him when he took the shot! So, smarty pants, there ya go.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:25 PM

Next you'll be saying the moon doesn't look like this to you.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:28 PM

Fooled y'all didn't I. I bet, JUST BET ya thought it was gonna be this, huh?

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:28 PM

And with that I wish you Earthlings a goodnight.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Janie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:43 PM

LOL Peace!

Ebbie, them be little baby belly buttons:>)

Janie

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:59 PM

Here we

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:01 PM

" Peppers me a#se "

Now there is an expression that is more painful than it sounds.   Jalepenos, they only burn you twice. Ouch.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:10 PM

Posted without comment.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:18 PM

The universe is not easy to get photographs of...for obvious reasons....but here is a map of it.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:26 PM

and if you look REALLY close on the 'back' side, you can see this interesting galaxy (The Hubble telescope had to be programed in reverse Polish notation to get this image!)

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:35 PM

Here's the special lens of the Hubble that had to be installed to cope with the negative curvature of the universe...it confuses the photons so they can be tracked in all four....um...5 dimensions.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:35 PM

Put on yer shades fer this one . . . .

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:39 PM

Bill, yer last one made me see this:

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: michaelr
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:43 PM

Well, this thread appears to be going off-topic just a bit...

I think there's way too much BS. This shit has got to stop. I applaud the "censors" for taking all those threads off the board.

Joe has said he proposed changes to Max. Presumably Max is thinking about them. If he decides to do something, something will be done.

Maybe he'll make an executive decision. Maybe he'll put it to a vote. Maybe he'll decide to leave things as they are. Maybe he'll comment and maybe he won't. Maybe he'll just say, "Fuck all you idiots, you ruined this place for yourselves, and I'm shutting it down."

Point is, all this hysterical yammering just wastes space on a server that would probably like its load lightened. It's my belief that most of the Mudcat members are here for the music forum, and the wealth of information and knowledge it comprises. I, for one, would not miss the BS section much if it went away.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:53 PM

Peace...of course it made you think that way! That is a major component of the Universe!

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:58 PM

EUREKA. The real meaning of wormholes explained at last . . . .

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Janie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:00 PM

Oh no you don't! This thread has officially been hijacked--and we ain't given up w'out a fight!!!!

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/exhibit/map_shape.html

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Janie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:03 PM

Let's try that again.

The real skinny on the shape of the universe!

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:23 PM

Hijacked? I thought it became a real thread again!

We have found the center of the universe! Huzzah!

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 06:02 AM

God try Michael. I may not agree with what you say in your post but I do recognise your right to say it and your bravery to try and say it in this thread probably deserves a considered response.

This conduct instigated, encouraged and eagerly followed could in part be due the the resident scapegoat being absent.

Martin Gibson to vist Europe

The point is - where is the right place for all this BS? It is here on this section. So why try to squeeze it eleswhere? For without this section acting as a safety valve it would be in every post all over the music section.

This is the point - the two sections are different animals. To treat them the same (as the current failed measures attempt to do), to make any attempt to 'tidy-up' the BS section or impose more censorship or make any further restrictions to it (other than encourage posters by example, not to indulge and respond in kind to the worst excesses) will have a knock-on effect to the music section.

That is why the bit about having a 'review' of all the Guest posts on the music section was 'tacked-on' as an afterthought to Joe Offer's peoposal. If it is not broke - please stop tinkering with it by attempts to further shape it to the tastes of a certain few...

And if anyone does not like our forum - 'warts and all' they can always try to set a better example of posting themselves or they are welcome to go elsewhere, where ganging-up, bullying and shouting down the views of their fellow posters would be considered as acceptable examples to set and follow.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 06:36 AM

Try to think of it this way Roger. It will make life easier for the clones, as anything in the music section that isn't music related can immediately be deleted. No need to justify it over the next 7/8 years, it was non-music related so it just goes no rhyme no reasons.
The only non music posts allowed there could be the Secret Santa ones, thus allowing this bit of shared fun to continue unabated.
Giok

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 06:56 AM

Where is the problem that this proposal is supposed to be fixing for us?

It is proposed only because the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has now publicly admitted the failure of the current measures to impose the peace that he requires.

Should the whole purpose of our forum really now be designed to make life easier for our fellow posters with edit buttons?

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 07:15 AM

Yes Roger!

Have you stopped beating your wife?

G..

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 07:19 AM

"The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum."

Spaw

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:05 AM

The concept of a right to impose all of those things being kept in reserve is one that few of us would argue with.

However we may have some justification to argue when such powers are used as a matter of routine and selectively against certain targets but not against others.

When those trusted to keep the peace indulge themselves in abusive personal attacks and encourage others to follow this example.

And when most of this imposed censorship is undertaken to shape our forum to the tastes of a few and all under the excuse of protecting us from abusive personal attacks.

Methods which now the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has publicly admitted have failed to impose the required peace and who now proposes to turn our BS forum into a private members club and to screen all Guest posts to the music section - but does not wish the posters there to be informed.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:10 AM

WOW!!!! What a complete crock-o-crap!!!! You are soooo good at twisting reality........Is this because you live in a twisted reality? Just curious. And remember......

"The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum."

Spaw

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Alba
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:15 AM

What was that Spaw, I can't hear you. The Mudcat reserves the right to do what....?

* grin *

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Aaron Aardvark
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:38 AM

Perhaps The Rambles hasn't read that bit of the FAQs which Spaw is referring to. It's here:

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Aaron Aardvark
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:39 AM

Or even here: Editorial Policy!

Aaron

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:40 AM

Roger as I have posted before, I too think that some of the editing has been inconsistent.
The answer however is not the total removal of all editing or moderation.
There is a definite 'do as I do and not as I say' attitude comes over sometimes, and that is what needs attention.
Your tendancy to personalise everything has led to the majority of your posts being ignored, even those which contain a deal of common sense.
Learn to turn the other cheek, and concentrate on the real wrongs and not the imagined slights.
Learn to laugh at yourself and practice what you preach, and you may be pleasantly surprised by the support you receive.

Giok

[And stop beating your wife ¦¬]] That was a joke Roger!!

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:33 AM

"The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum."

End of story

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Janie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:53 AM

The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum."

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:59 AM

plus, Roger is using a classic technique of "straw man" argument....inflating a comment or quote way beyond its original formulation by tossing in his personal formulations as **JUDGEMENTS**, such as the following:

"publicly admitted the failure "

"whole purpose ... be designed to make life easier for ... posters with edit buttons"

" does not wish the posters there to be informed."

This is setting up something which twists the original meaning of the quotes, and then sniping at the altered versions.

I gotta, say, though, I have seldom seen this trick done better!

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 10:25 AM

I agree Bill....It's really beautiful as I said somewhere back up the line. But then again pond slime has a natural beauty of sorts too. It just smells bad and is a pain in the ass in your pond.....wait.....Is that an analogy? No........Although a big part of analogy is anal and god knows Roger is anal..........So analogy could be a better analogy..........

Spaw

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 10:27 AM

'"The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum."

End of story'

I think not Ron. Part of the story, maybe.

I have exchange messages with Martin Gibson and registered with him that I felt a few of his posts crossed 'the line'. I find the thread he started wherein he said he's going to Europe to be very offensive, and despite people saying 'if ya don't hate him then you love him and therefore are like him in every way' to be simplistic bullshit. One of those remarks was made by someone who posts her hatred of males very often. Not unlike some of Martin's less fortunate remarks. However, the point is this: That thread is filled with invective and hatred posted by 'the guy next door regular member' of Mudcat. That thread should have been deleted or many of the posts on it deleted. That hasn't happened. It serves to show that the editing of remarks will depend not on content but rather on who is being attacked and by whom. Go to the FAQ, a good missive that has been selectively quoted, and read the WHOLE paragraph on Censorship. It's under the heading "Etiquette and Advice". I guess that some folks is more equal than others.

Shambles: I realize that occasionally you can be a single-issue guy. However, until a law is passed that makes that illegal, you just keep writing and addressing what you perceive to be a problem. Many of the folks speaking against you or subjecting you to ridicule have said in the past that 'if one doesn't like a thread, all one has to do is not open it'. Physician, heal thyself.

I don't think you're gonna change jackshit here, Shambles, but no one has made it against the law to piss into the wind.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 10:35 AM

"Although a big part of analogy is anal and god knows Roger is anal"

I don't believe that Roger has attacked you personally. So what this?

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 10:45 AM

I agree with you Peace, and if we were paying for this service then I might have an issue with the "seemingly" arbitrary use of editing. However, this is run by volunteers from what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong) and I do feel that owners of the site can do what they like with it. We can register a complaint if we aren't happy, offer a suggestion, but that is it. If it isn't accepted, that is life. Move on afterwards. This is not the only site on the internet.

What is happening on that Gibson thread is awful. I agree, there are a bunch of people who wear blinders that can't see their actions are just as wrong as the person they complain about. I am not sure if there is anything there that should be deleted however. Those that choose to participate and use demeaning phrases and names are not being very effective. It is easy to see through and they are doing their own cause (whatever that may be) more harm then good. They can't see it, well that is their problem.

People can't have things run the way they would like. Even if 99% of us wanted to see someone barred, it isn't our call to make. If the owners of this site choose to delete some messages and leave others up, that is their call.   I may not agree with the decision, but it is not my call. People like Shambles can jump up and down and complain, but all it does is make others pissed off at him and has little impact on changing anything.

"The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum."   It really is the end of the story.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 11:03 AM

I hear you, Ron. All the best to you.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 11:13 AM

I dunno' if I was "insulting" anyone there Bruce. I think everyone in this place is pretty anal and some a bit moreso than others. The fact that I keep jackin' around with Roger is proof I am........Ain't no big deal is it? If so then like Roger says, we can all just ignore it. That IS his advice I believe.........

The Mudcat Cafe reserves the right to edit, move, combine, rename, or delete all threads and messages posted in the Forum

Repetitve posting that isn't it? That repetitive posting stuff is pretty anal ain't it? Yep.....

Spaw

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 11:18 AM

And those slathering at the jaws on this thread trying to mock shambles says far more about them than he. You should be proud to be so adult.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:16 PM

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Janie - PM
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:00 PM

Oh no you don't! This thread has officially been hijacked--and we ain't given up w'out a fight!!!!

Those certain few posters who post to complain about wasted bandwidth but still post and encourage others post any offensive rubbish to a thread to try to shout down an issue or and individual, must have learned after so many years of this tactic that no ammount of this bullying personal judgement will succeed in anything other than boring most of our forum to death and showing the less attractive aspects of our forum.

The lesson is that like or lump it - every poster has as much right as anyone else on our forum to say what they choose - no matter how boring it or the poster may be judged and that everyone can equally respond or ignore what is posted.

As this obvious fact is pointed out on a regular basic by some of our more sensible contributors - can someone please explain why it appears that our forum is now so obsessed with finding 'fun' ways to try to prevent other posters from having their say? Is it because it may appear that there is now some official encouragement for this online bullying?

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:26 PM

Shambles, if you don't like what you read you could just follow your own advice and not read these posts.
As for your comments about what you read though you seem not to agree with it you could follow your own advice and make no comments about your fellow posters?
Life could be more easy for you if you'd do what you preach.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Peace
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:28 PM

"Life could be more easy for you if you'd do what you preach."

Like would be easier if many who've posted to this thread followed their own advice.

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Janie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:36 PM

Duck and Cover

(sor-rrry----but this thread seemed like as good [or bad] a place as any)

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:42 PM

I think we need a group hug

Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:45 PM

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From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:45 PM

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