BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for Obama

Subject: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 10:00 AM

I read this letter yesterday from Christopher Buckley, conservative and son of the renowned William F. Buckley, Jr.
It explains the reason some conservatives I know are voting for a Democrat for the first time.


Sorry, Dad, I'm voting for Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

Great article. Thanks, Alice.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:01 PM

Thanks, Alice. reminds me of a small rally I went to, yesterday. Colorado's Senator Salazar, one of my fav. politicians/people was there, along with some other heavy-hitters for Obama. What was neat, was Sen. Salazar pointed out the few, very prominent Republicans who were there and rather proud of themselves for being there. Any of them wh consider themselves truly conservative are appalled at what has happened to their party.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:06 PM

Excellent article. More evidence that if the old McCain were still running, many more thinking people would vote for him. But he seems to have been banished in favor of the new improved win-at-any-cost McCain--i.e. the one at the beck and call of the people who tormented McCain in 2000.

At this rate, McCain will be left with only the know-nothings supporting him. Question is: how many of them are there?   And it's too bad a few seem to be Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 05:50 PM

The thinking person's type of conservatism. I can respect that. Not the racist mob type behavior we are seeing whipped up in Palin's campaign.
I used to watch William F. Buckley, Jr. on PBS. I think if he were alive now he would be ashamed of what his party is doing this election. (And it was always a great vocabulary builder to listen to him speak.;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:22 PM

"McCain will be left with only the know-nothings supporting him. Question is: how many of them are there?"


                   There seem to be quit a few of them. The problem is, right now most of them are supporting Obama. He'll have to find a way to win them over.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 04:28 AM

If I knew less, I'd support either one...but alas, no such misfortune!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:05 AM

The KN component according to actual survey of stupidheads nation-wide has given McCain a 65-35 lead in the dumkopf vote.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:19 AM

Graduates from Ivy League Institutions being the dumbest, I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:00 PM

Pay no attention to Mr. Buckley. He's literate, and you know that's suspicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Alice
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:18 PM

Yes, he is just another elitist. How could anyone trust his judgment.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:35 PM

Rig:

It takes brain power of an above-average degree even to apply to some of these places, let alone get in, and even more to graduate.

Don't be bitter.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 06:43 PM

If that's always true, how would Dubya have got into Yale?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: quokka
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 07:32 PM

Well it was quite a while ago, and I think that the children of privilege and wealth used to be able to get in to universities quite easily no matter what - don't know if that's changed any, has it?
Here in Australia you can buy your way in if you're rich but intellectually challenged, especially if you're not from here. Educating overseas students has become a major source of income for tertiary institutions.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 08:01 PM

Stringpulling by those with dynastic reputations and big endowment donations always works its magic, ebven if less so now than in GWB's time.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:02 PM

"It takes brain power of an above-average degree even to apply to some of these places, let alone get in, and even more to graduate."


                  Yes! George W. Bush managed to capture an advanced degree. Now there's a graduate we can all be proud of.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:04 PM

"Stringpulling by those with dynastic reputations and big endowment donations always works its magic, ebven if less so now than in GWB's time."


                   And, of course, affirmative action can get a basket case into one of those places.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:21 PM

Yeah, but it won't let you head the Harvard Law Review.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: TIA
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:41 PM

And how many of Obama's ancestors were Harvard men (thereby affording him all those legacy points)?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 11:43 PM

"And, of course, affirmative action can get a basket case into one of those places."

I wonder why any country would ever NEED affirmative action . . . ?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Alice
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 12:38 AM

From David Brooks, Oct 9, The Class War Before Palin

"Driven by a need to engage elite opinion, conservatives tried to build an intellectual counterestablishment with think tanks and magazines. They disdained the ideas of the liberal professoriate, but they did not disdain the idea of a cultivated mind."

snip

"But no American politician plays the class-warfare card as constantly as Palin. Nobody so relentlessly divides the world between the "normal Joe Sixpack American" and the coastal elite."

the article, click here

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html?em

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: M.Ted
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 02:27 AM

Leave us not forget that the eminent Mr. Brooks is a National Review Alumnus, mentored by the Senior Buckley and close friend to the Junior Buckley. In 2006, he actually proposed a new "McCain/Lieberman" party. The Conservative Journalists have been falling away from McCain in a measured and well timed effort--Even Charles Krauthammer, the Conservative Bulldog, never fails to remind us that" Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament", and often mentions that McCain is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 07:51 AM

Elites are elites, there ain't nothin' much can be done about 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 12:20 PM

Hardly ever agreed with anything that William F. Buckley said, but I loved to hear him say it.

I miss him.

Russ (old fashioned liberal)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 08:54 PM

13 Oct 2008 7:51 AM:

So tell us, Mr. Hypocrite, exactly why you support McCain/Palen. Since the only way to keep them out of power is to support Obama--as any thinking person knows. (But perhaps that excludes you).

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 09:54 PM

Ron - For the six-millionth time, I don't really support McCain. I just think Obama would be bad for the country, and probably the world.
                        When this process first started out, there were a number of better choices out there. I still think Ralph Nader is a better choice, but he has no chance in the world of getting elected. We have to play the hand we're dealt.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: DougR
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:57 PM

Like Riginslinger, I'm lukewarm about McCain. Too many times has he sided with liberals to enact (or to try to enact) bad legislation. Obama, however, would, I believe, be a complete disaster, and would bankrupt the country, particularly if the Democrats win both houses of the Congress. At the least, they would saddle our kids, grandkids, greatgrandkids, and their kids with superdooper debt.

Just imagine the make up of his cabinet with William Ayers serving as Director of Homeland Security, Chris Dodd as Secretary of the Treasury, Barney Frank as Secretary of State, and Charles Schumer, Secretary of Defense. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM

"and would bankrupt the country,"

That's a future tense.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:27 PM

LOLOLOLOL

Our future generations have already been saddled with a "superdooper debt", and the country is sliding toward bankruptcy. And we have the Republicans to thank for that. The Republican Party is bankrupt itself, morally, ethically, and in terms of having any worthwhile ideas. It's time to put that poor suffering animal down.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:40 PM

"Sorry, Dad...they sacked me."

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:47 PM

Chris Buckley said that he ".... issued his endorsement on Oct. 5 at the Daily Beast, a Web site owned by Barry Diller's IAC/InteractiveCorp and run by former New Yorker editor Tina Brown. Mr. Buckley said he didn't publish the endorsement in the National Review in hopes that a new venue would soften the reaction from the magazine's arch-conservative readership. It did not."


He said in an interview with Chris Mathews that, following his father's principle that you could say whatever you wished as long as you presented a clear argument, he offered a complete explanation of his position in his endorsement. He went on to note McCain's shifting positions, and Obama's intelligence and leadership.
   The magazine was overwhelmed with emails and calls demanding he be fired....

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:55 PM

I heard a very good interview with Christopher Buckley on my local NPR affiliate a couple of weeks ago. Buckley was in Seattle to do the bookstore circuit for his latest book.

He said, "The way politics has been going for the past few decades, political satire is getting much more difficult to write!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:37 PM

Sometimes the most effective satire is just to directly show the thing you want to satirise.

As with the hugely popular Sarah Palin interview with Katie Couric, which has been moving people around the planet to tears of laughter, punctuated by panic attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:56 PM

There was a nice interview today on MSNBC with WFB, Jr.

Too bad The National Review does have more grit.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:59 PM

LOL

"I mean, gee whiz"


He's better off not hanging around with brownshirts anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:15 PM

Obama would be "bad for the country". Right. Anything you say. Now all we need is even one iota of logic or evidence to back this bald assertion up.

Though you have treated us to quite a few variations on the "bad for the country'' theme, so far you have given precisely zilch support to your theory.

So it looks remarkably like yet another smear.

And it looks like that's all you have to say----ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:08 PM

And presumably worse for the country than Palin one heartbeat away from the White House with a president who'd be 76 by teh next election after this. And as for the little matter of who wuill be worse for the rest of the world...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:39 PM

When I heard this on npr I thought I heard the reporter say that Buckly's son said he was *ucked by Republican conservatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Amos
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:39 PM

Young Buckley copped so much heat after publishing his endorsement of Obama on an obscure blog that he figgered the ethical thing to do was to offer his resignation of his column at the National Review, the magazine his father William F. founded. His resignation was accepted with surprising alacrity.

Chris followed up his "Sorry Dad, I'm Voting for Obama" collumn with a "Sorry, Dad, I was Sacked" column.

I think old Bill would be proud of his boy.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Alice
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 01:22 PM

Amos, Bill D posted that link yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:38 PM

awwww...gee, someone noticed...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Goose Gander
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 02:32 PM

"Obama, however, would, I believe, be a complete disaster, and would bankrupt the country, particularly if the Democrats win both houses of the Congress. At the least, they would saddle our kids, grandkids, greatgrandkids, and their kids with superdooper debt . . ."

You have got to be kidding! Have you been paying attention for the last 8 years? You just described the Bush administration's fiscal policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Amos
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:27 PM

Gawsh darnit, I posted an apology for double-posting the link Bill posted about five minutes after my heartless, rapacious, self-serving and unforgivable error in posting it. And guess what!? It got eaten, probably by a timing setting in a script. Dang.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:39 PM

Hmmm... pulling on your forelock and a day in a hair shirt will mollify me enough this time, Amos.. ☺ (that, and promising to shovel ALL the walks on your street after the next snowstorm)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Buckley's son voting for
From: Alice
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:46 PM

And Amos, check this out...
William Timmons
an hour and a half after I posted the message and link, you posted it again. Wasn't going to say anything, but TWICE in one day?? LOL LOL