BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?

Subject: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:17 AM

My mate Dave from Berkshire is an ace welder but can't understand who so many people turned up just to see him doing his job.

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:23 AM

I should think it would be a good deal more interesting than the other little occurence in Windsor today

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:34 AM

It's not that easy to see a good welder at work these days, especially if you haven't got eyeshields.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 07:36 AM

Billy Connolly was welder, perhaps he could have joined them together! Let no man put asunder what 'The Big Yin' has joined together ;~)
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: gnu
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 08:12 AM

Well, I for one, am absolutely glued to the coverage... for the hats!!! More bonnets than an Easter Day Parade. Some are just hilarious. Seriously, it's woth a laugh, er, ah, look.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 08:48 AM

Thread title reminded me of this, poem
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 08:48 AM

What Welding ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 09:10 AM

That was a brazing remark Eric, what a brass neck!
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 09:38 AM

Kamila in Greek is pronounced "Camilla" and means "camel".
The Greek jokes back home are numberd in their dozens.
And "no".

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 03:36 PM

Very apt George, given that she has a face like the North end of a Southbound camel.

DT

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 04:06 PM

Nice Kipling, Giok. I don't wish anyone ill, but that Charles has made a nasty hash of things, ruined Di's life (and indirectly got her killed)-- was interesting to note at the blessing the guy in the red dress making each of them individually recite a promise of absolute fidelity! Notice the Queen could sing the hymn without the book. Different tune than the one in our hymnal, but the words were familiar to me (not talking about God Save The Queen). Well, one hopes Di's boys will get some peace for a bit. If they love their Dad, maybe his happiness will give them some calm.    Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 04:32 PM

Thanks for the Kipling endorsement Tanny but I've got to disagree with you about Charles ruining Diana's life. She was an immature and sad little girl who was out of her depth as brood mare to the Windsor family. Charles never wanted to marry her, and unfortunately couldn't maintain the charade, her childish retaliation in sleeping with some very odd blokes was sad. It was an arranged marriage, and nobody expects them to work where the people involved adhere to a different cultural background. I am equally sad for them both, and can't blame one more than the other.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 05:19 PM

Right -- immature and sad, then kidnapped, abused, and tossed in the trash, rather like some of our serial child molesters might do.
The rule in America is that the "child" (one falling into a specific age range stated in the law) is not to blame for the abuse. The "guilty" party is the "adult" who should know better. Granted, Diana would have been outside the legal limits, but the characterization is basically correct.   
Sorry, I understand that the Royal Family's historicity makes them valuable to you folks, but I'm raised to believe no one should have the kind of clout they have to do stuff to their own citizens.
I don't just criticize your gov. -- I know who my own representatives/senators are and maintain contact with them and try to stay informed here. And I vote.   Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 05:31 PM

Unfortunately, Tannywheeler, so did lots of other people in the US election. Good luck to good old Prince Charles and his wife, who is an attractive midle-aged woman who did not ask to be cast as the killer of the sainted Diana. If the poisonous rancour of the media would abate a bit it's even possible that they could be happy together.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 05:34 PM

The funniest thing was seeing them all pile into buses to get to the bunfight!

Wonder who was collecing bus fares and did they argue about who got to sit in the back seat?!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 02:21 AM

My mate Dave never had to bewail his manifold sins before he got down to his welding.

A bus did stop by to ogle him, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 03:22 AM

Frankly, it irritates me when so many people comment on Camilla's looks. Not every 57-year old woman is a Jane Fonda (I saw JF in an interview the other night. She's 62 and looks fabulous. Without a face lift. Great bones.) and not that many middleaged men are all that handsome either. At a certain point, I should expect that life-worn, life-won character is to become more important than it was in the nubile, youthful years. I expect better of folky Mudcats, somehow.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 03:39 AM

Agreed Ebbie, I think the lady looks just fine, and we like her in our house don't care about the naysayers, and the lemon suckers.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:13 AM

I think she looked radiant. I can only agree with most of Gioks comments re Diana with the exception that she was a 'child'. She long had her sights set on nabbing a royal and think she was so full of her own importance that she forgot what the role of the wife of the heir to the throne is. No child just self centred and calculating. If anyone did any ruining of lives (including her own) it was Diana. I am just glad we now have a proper Princess of Wales.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:16 AM

Thats right, Ebbie. I actually admire her dignity through all of this.

For God's sake, they're in love. Have been for a long time. Let them be together for whatever reason. Give them a little peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:35 AM

The only person who retains any dignity in this sorry affair is Andrew Parker Bowles, an officer and a gentleman.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:41 AM

A personal friend then Eric?
G..

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 07:07 AM

Yeah, both ex cavalry.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 07:23 AM

Diana though that being a princess would be all about glamour. Camilla knows better what she's married into.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 07:37 AM

I'd have had more interest in watching welding than the wedding.

I don't like the royal family but I would still wish them happiness as a couple.

Oddly enough, I wish the media would leave them alone. That is not for reasons of any sympathy for them on this issue because as far as I'm concerned it goes with the job and the privelages. I would just prefer it if I didn't have to see them in the papers or on tv so often - unless of course we have something like Charles getting caught saying ""Bloody people. I can't bear that man. I mean he's so awful, really he is." when being interviewed by Nicholas Witchell - I can laugh at that...

Overall though I think the media issues are probably quite perverse. As far as I can make out the ones who encourage the media are the pro-royals who will be the first to say "oh poor Charles, why don't they leave him alone" and the antis are probably mostly like me in not wanting so much coverage and therefore not encouraging the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: maire-aine
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 03:27 PM

I'm tired of all this Camilla-bashing. I'd venture to say that most of the people slinging these comments about her looks are not matinee idols or ravishing beauties themselves. Sounds like sour grapes to me. I wish them well in their marriage. The critics should just go get a life. I expect that, given half a chance, she'll be good for the country.

Maryanne

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 03:54 PM

I was one of the lucky ones ! We were asked to play in Windsor on Saturday a while before the wedding date was announced , but had already been book to do a nice little Ferry Run to Roscoff and Cork
and so were well out of the way for the weekend !

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:08 PM

Obviously Princess Anne thought the bus ride was hilarious too. She was beside a window and had a big grin on her face.
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 05:46 PM

Diana got killed because she got in a car driven by a drunk driver and didn't bother to put on her safety belt. A very silly way to go, but that's how things go.
.............................

I can't see why people get all indignant about the Royal Family. "The lottery of birth" is just another lottery after all, and noone gets all steamed up about people who win the other lotteries. If we're to have rich people around, I think I'd sooner they were people who knew they'd done nothing to earn it, rather than those who think it was all down to their own actions.

At least, if you know you haven't earned your privileges, there's a chance you might be aware of some kind of responsibility to do something towards deserving them. Doesn't always work of course, but the signs are that's how Charles sees it, and that he is reasonably aware of the absurdity of the whole business.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: *daylia*
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 05:57 PM

I am just glad we now have a proper Princess of Wales

Me too. She's probably much happier now, in spite of the rigor mortis. (For which her role as wife to the heir to the throne was undoubtedly the best preparation).

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 08:23 PM

"She's probably much happier now, in spite of the rigor mortis." daylia

I expect that is meant to be a humo(u)ous line, daylia. But in actuality rigor mortis would hardly be the correct term. Not even to mention that Diana isn't living in the bones.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 01:06 AM

Insert 'r'.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 03:39 AM

I saw them on t.v. and they looked very happy.

I liked her feathered hat and her bright red suit.

Camilla makes a statement without saying a thing.

Why shouldn't a king marry his true love? He should have the same freedom to choose his partner as we do.

I think the press is being very nasty and I am glad Charles feels free to make snide remarks to the press. He shouldn't have to please anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,J
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 08:15 AM

Yes, why should Cams say anything? She's had the best of all worlds for 34 years.

Now, if she gets the elbow, just watch - and learn!

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 08:34 AM

Well, as they say, "When a man marries his mistress it creates a job opening."

I couldn't make it and sent my regrets, wishing them happiness and joy.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 10:03 AM

I expect that is meant to be a humo(u)ous line, daylia   

Yeah. :-/   'Post-humo(uro)us' would be more accurate. I wasn't in the greatest of moods yesterday, sorry.

But in actuality rigor mortis would hardly be the correct term.

Right again! And especially since so little time was lost embalming her body after the crash. Hmmmm .... I wonder why ....

I think the press is being very nasty and I am glad Charles feels free to make snide remarks to the press. He shouldn't have to please anyone.

Well, no-one - least of all the royal, rich and famous I suppose - 'has to' please a single soul. But life, in particular married life, does tend to be more pleasant when we choose to do more than the bare minimum for one another.

Maybe the best way to make peace with the newlyweds is to ponder Diana's own words, as posted yesterday on another thread here:

"I think the biggest disease the world suffers from in this day and age is the disease of people feeling unloved. I know that I can give love for a minute, for half an hour, for a day, for a month, but I can give. I am very happy to do that, I want to do that."

Ditto. Forgive them, even if they did know exactly what they were doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,J
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 11:32 PM

Any thread that mentions royalty brings out the sycophants and forelock tuggers. Deep down these people believe that anyone born royal or who marries into royalty, are automatically better people than the rest of us.
They love to bow and curtsey before royalty and call these outstandingly ordinary people: MA'AM or SIR, as appropriate.

Always helps to remember one's place.

And did you see these superior people GETTING ON A BUS?
Cor, luv a duck, what larks and them royal too!

J

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 04:27 AM

Rigor Mortis passes after a few hours, it doesn't last forever.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: *daylia*
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 07:19 AM

I was curious and just looked that up, eric Egads I think I found out more than I really needed to know:

"The Embalming Process

The body is placed on stainless steel or porcelain table, then washed with a germicide-insecticide-olfactant. The insides of the nose and mouth are swabbed with the solution.

Rigor mortis (stiffness) is relieved by massage. [and here I thought it was the embalming chemicals that 'relieved' the rigor mortis!] Rarely but sometimes, tendons and muscles are cut in order to place the body in a more natural pose if limbs are distorted by disease, e.g., arthritis

Facial features are set by putting cotton in the nose, eye caps below the eyelids, a mouth former in the mouth (cotton or gauze in the throat to absorb purging fluids). The mouth is then tied shut with wire or sutures. (Glue may be used on the eyelids and lips to keep them closed in an appropriate pose.) Facial hair is shaved if necessary...


Ok you're spared the rest of that description! But there's some interesting viewpoints about the tradition of embalming at that link:

Facts about Embalming

Embalming is rarely required by law ...

... Embalming provides no public health benefit, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Canadian health authorities. Hawaii and Ontario forbid embalming if the person died of certain contagious diseases. Many morticians have been taught, however, that embalming protects the public health, and they continue to perpetrate this myth.

6. Embalming chemicals are highly toxic. Embalmers are required by OSHA to wear a respirator and full-body covering while embalming. Funeral home effluent, however, is not regulated, and waste is flushed into the common sewer system or septic tank.

9. Private or home viewing by family members and close friends can occur without embalming and is far more "traditional" than some of the services promoted by the industry under that name.

10. The funeral industry promotes embalming and viewing as a means to show "proper respect for the body," and to establish the "clear identity" of the corpse so that the reality of death cannot be denied by those who view the body. Many funeral directors are convinced that seeing the body is a necessary part of the grieving process, even if the death was long anticipated.

11. Few funeral directors will participate in the public viewing of a body without embalming and cosmetic restoration. While some people may be comforted by "a beautiful memory picture," as it's called in the trade, 32% of consumers reported that viewing was a negative experience, according to a 1990 survey.

12. Embalming gives funeral homes a sales opportunity to increase consumer spending (by as much as $3,000 or more) for additional body preparation, a more expensive casket with "protective" features perhaps, a more expensive outer burial container, and a more elaborate series of ceremonies.

"I think the elaborate expensive display of an open casket with all the makeup in the slumber room enforces the belief that the person is only asleep, and in my personal opinion would only help to prolong the stage of denial."

Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in
Questions and Answers on Death and Dying"


In the Netherlands, embalming is illegal except for the Royal Family, who can choose to be embalmed or not. Apparently the procedure turns both the corpse and the cemeteries into toxic waste dumps. In Diana's case, due to the head injury it was a closed-casket funeral (if I'm remembering correctly). So why did they embalm her at all - and within hours of death no less???

Sorry if this isn't the most appropriate thread to post this stuff, but I wanted to respond to eric and Ebbie re rigor mortis and embalming, and maybe read some interesting opinions about why it was done to Diana's body at all, let alone so quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 07:12 PM

whatever..

CN

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 06:46 PM

no, weddings are rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Public Domain
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 10:44 AM

Were the welders local or did they pop over from Detroit?

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Saint Camilla
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 06:31 PM

I understand that Detroit supplied a few spinners

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Tam the man
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 01:23 PM

My dad was a welding insepctor/NDT technation (pardon the spelling) and a radiorgapher as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: Kaleea
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 08:11 PM

My Daddy was a welder. One of the best. But not in Windsor. He was in the States. He did, however, weld on some of the Gemini & Titan series missiles. One of them was the shot to the moon in '69.

Subject: RE: BS: Did you go to the Welding in Windsor?
From: GUEST,Curious
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:39 PM

Kaleea


How u no he one o the best?


Might ha been the best.