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Subject: BS: election thoughts... From: tarheel Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:16 PM I find great humor in the fact that the Democratic party thinks it has all the answer to fix things...( pardon me while i lay on the floor laughing my ass off!) They think that taking control of the senate and congress is equivalent to finding Willie Wonka's golden ticket. Hallelujah, we're saved! bwahaha...it's just the same old stuff. Wipe'em all out and start fresh...get back to the basics and away from big money players. Tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: jeffp Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:23 PM Yep, them grapes are sour, all right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Wesley S Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:40 PM And the republicans DIDN'T think they had all the answers? Pull the other one please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Peace Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:55 PM If you did laugh your ass off, the most intelligent part of you would disappear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Don Firth Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:18 PM Hmm. I need not comment. I see that jeffp, Wesley S, and Peace have this thread well in hand. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Big Mick Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:45 PM tarheel, I try, I really do, to not tell you that you are an idiot. I would bet I would like you in person, but your posts just make me lose control. You, a proponent of all things on the right (conservative)........ You, who thinks Reagan was the greatest President ever....... You who are a mouthpiece for the Republicans..... You want to get big money out of politics?????????? Excuse me while I piss myself!!! How come that was never an issue while your guys were winning??????? It is only an issue when you got your collective asses handed to you. The truth in what you said is this. The Democrats have no time to waste. Unlike your Republican heroes, we can waste no time with partisan bullshit. We need to get into the leadership role, take the issues laid out to us by your guys (in their ineptitude and arrogance), and get on with the journey to recovery. If we waste one second in gloating and kicking asses, we will blow it in two years. And that cycle will start immediately. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: SINSULL Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:54 PM What Mick said plus: No one has all the answers. I will say with certainty that had bush not been elected we would not be in Iraq and Afghanistan now with no hope of getting out with any credibility and leaving behind a disaster for the local citizens. And NO. I do not believe that they are better off now than before Saddam. Nor do I believe that invasion was our only option. "away from the big money players"???? You mean like Cheney and bush? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: tarheel Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:46 PM 09 Nov 06 - 02:16 PM jeffp 09 Nov 06 - 02:23 PM Wesley S 09 Nov 06 - 02:40 PM Peace 09 Nov 06 - 02:55 PM Don Firth 09 Nov 06 - 03:18 PM Big Mick 09 Nov 06 - 03:45 PM SINSULL You people make me SICK!!! you cant respond to a post without insulting the member and his family here! i could sit here and think of things to call all of you,but to be honest...none of you are worth the trouble! Tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,lox Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:52 PM I don't think any of them has said anything particularly offensive at all. They have displayed a measure of wit, and it has been a little acidic, but no more so than your "ROTF". I take it you're not "ROTF" any more? or if you are it might just be a little indigestion? I recommend a little milk of magnesia, perhaps padded out with a fat slice of humble pie :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Big Mick Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:03 PM Look tarheel, I truly am sorry because I think you are someone who really believes what you write. But it just seems like you don't really care to understand the issues. You do have the annoying habit of gloating and pointing out how we are all deluded liberals with no grasp of what it takes in the real world. Let me tell you something, ole buddy. I am a patriot. I am a veteran. I have shed blood. I own guns. And I am a liberal progressive. I did not mean to insult your family, nor do I think I did. But if you took it that way, I apologize. But you need to remember that what you post is there for all to see and respond to. When you do it from the position you have taken for quite a bit now, folks come to respond a certain way. What you sow, so shall you reap. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,lox Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:11 PM I really wouldn't lose any sleep mick. The first post is laughing at you, and the second saying how sore he is for being laughed at. And if he wasn't laughing at you whowas he laughing at? ... er ... oh ... I suppose it is you (and me and anyone else at whom he can direct his deluded triumphalism and bitterness |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Peace Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM "i could sit here and think of things to call all of you,but to be honest...none of you are worth the trouble!" Many moons back you requested prayers for your wife. I did pray for her, and you. Meanwhile, on another thread, you were calling me an asshole because I held a different political opinion than yours--I think it was over Blacks and Whites, and I think I disagreed with you over a racist 'joke' you had posted. Since then, I have responded to none of your threads. I opened this one without realizing it was yours, and lo, nothing has changed, Chuck. So be it. Ta ta. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Don Firth Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:54 PM Tarheel, you started this thread with a chip on your shoulder, so what did you expect? If you can't stand the heat, don't sit on the barbecue! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,jaze Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:18 PM I truly hope no one with half a brain expects the Democrats to fix all the country's problems in two years. Let's be realistic. Happy as I am there's been a change, I think we should hope for a move in a different and more positive direction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Lox Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:22 PM It's about someone fixing the brakes really isn't it. Reparing the sabotage that's been done to them and trying to prevent more being done. Bush runs the country like a drunk man drives a car. He won't be able to be so reckless now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM "You people make me SICK!!! you cant respond to a post without insulting the member and his family here!" When did I insult you or your family ?? I just happen to disagree with one of your political views. There's a huge difference. Can't you tell the difference? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:49 PM There is a bit of truth to the two party system acting like good cop bad cop. But nature provides us with the pendulum as a model for finding the center of gravity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:51 PM Well, t-heel, first of all I don't think you have been doing much laughin over the last couple of days and thats, if you want to think an insult, isn't meant to be one but... ...hey, one of the major reasons that so many of the Bush/Republican policies have failed is because they have been driven by a small circle of people with a small pool of ideas within Bush's inner circle... Now what's wrong with that??? Lot's... I took a "creativitu" class about 35 years ago and one of ther things I learned from it is that the greater number of ideas/options that were considered the greater chance for a successsfull solution to a problem... The Dems have been completely left out of "the discussion" since 2000 and the Republican Congress since 9/11 has also... Yeah, McCain has done a little grandstandin' but has backed down to Bush twice now on torture but other than that Bush (and his little circle) have made policy... Now if I am a CEO and my company is losing $$$ I want ideas and not yes-men... Do the Dems have answers to all the problems confrontin' the country??? No, they don't... But it is obvious that Bush doesn't either, but... ...as I learned in the creativity class that maybe with a larger pool of ideas the US will be better off... Okay, tarman, seein' as you live in North Carolina, let me put it in a manner that maybe you will better understand: NASCAR!!! That's right, NASCAR... You take the #28 car and let it run around the Cahrlotte track and it runs 187mph... You take the #9 car and it also runs 187mph... You with me so far??? Now you take both these cars and let 'um run together an' guess what??? They run 194mph together because the lead car has less drag on the back of it and the trailing car has less air to move on the front... This purdy much is why Bush has failed and what the Dems can bring to the table.. Nuthin' funny about it... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: TIA Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:23 PM The Repo's had 12 years. Is everything perfect Mr. T? Now you're ready to dismiss the Dems before they are even sworn in? Brainless. Oops, I meant you, not your family. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: tarheel Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:30 PM FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SAID I HAD A CHIP ON MY SHOULDER YOU SEEM TO ALWAYS BRING UP RECENT OR OLDER POST OF MINE>>>SO I ASSUME YOU FOLKS ARE STILL FUMING ABOUT THEM>>> I DONT EVEN REMEMBER YOUR LAST POST,LET ALONE THE OLDER ONES!!! as my wife PEG says...PUT A SOCK IN IT! ALL OF YOU!!! don't bother to respond because she is going to the hospital tonight and will be there a long time as will i also, by her bed side!! and for those who called me "old fart"..you'll be happy to know that my recent birthday i was 70 years old and many of you will never make it to that mark...no matter how hard you try!! "SO REMEMBER WHILE YOU'RE YOUNG...OLD AGE TO YOU WILL COME... AND YOU'LL BE OLD and GREY and ON LY IN THE WAY...(charlie poole) Tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:33 PM Used to be women were kept out of the new idea and creativity business (except for babies) Now were going to let Democrats contribute as well? What are we coming to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:18 PM Hey, MISTER SCREAMER T-HEEL, did you even read my post??? Doesn't seem like it... Your last post is "Exibit A" on why Bush and the Repubs have failed... You just want the microphone... Well, you've had it for 6 years and look at the mess it has gotten our country into... Heck, I tried to spell it out to you an hour ago with a post that wasn't intended to threaten yer manhood or your family and you respond as some ragin' lunitic??? I thought you were trained in martial arts??? You just blew all yer training out the friggin' window as far as I can see... Yeah, durin' my days in martial arts I'd love it when I'd get someone so angry that they'd forget everything they ever learned... Now, take a deep breath... Go for a walk... Calm your mind... This ain't the end of the friggin' world, buddy... Really, it isn't... What's the worst that can happen here??? No one is coming thru yer door tonight with M-16's... Take a few deep breaths... Okay, if you want to SCREAM, go ahead... Just do it in the woods... Don't embaress yourself... Life's too short... ...plus, no one wins 'um all... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Nov 06 - 11:59 PM Well, Tarheel, Nancy Pelosi and Claire McCaskill, among others have what sounds to me like a good idea. They're saying that the US public did not elect them to try to score points on the other side--but actually to solve problems. Politics can too easily turn into a game--with winners and losers. But that doesn't help the country. Since there is close to a standoff in power between the Republicans and Democrats, there are only two possibilities--gridlock or co-operation. They have opted for the latter. And, in contrast to Mr Bush, who trumpeted his "a uniter not a divider"--then completely turned his back on it while actually in power---it seems Nancy et al. may just mean what they say. At any rate we'll have to wait til January to even start to see any evidence--positive or negative. As I've said elsewhere, I think a top priority for the Democrats--in addition to hiking the minimum wage--is to put together a program to offer all illegal aliens a path to citizenship--without requiring them to leave the US. And kill the US-Mexico fence idea. And they will definitely be able to get enough Republicans behind such a plan on immigration--the business community is already behind it. The people who scream "amnesty" at any such idea are in the distinct minority--and some of their standard-bearers have just been wiped out in the US voting public's recent attack of good sense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:07 AM Now then children, shall we try to work out what the USA needs, and see if it can be presented so it might be too difficult for Bush to veto it? Shall we start with honest elections, with verifiable voter trails and the bribery usually caled "campaign contributions" excluded? Shall we proceed to a different statutory procedure to stop offensive measures being hidden in schedules to unrelated things in late night Washington manouvres? How about the separation of Church and state (eg loss of charitable tax status for "churches" that meddle in politics)? - I am very disturbed by, for example, Rabbi-Sol's apparent approval of the use of areligious bloc-vote in local politics, so this is a local thing as well as a matter for the evangelists who fought for the chimpanzee (a variant, I suppose on the lion lying down with the lamb). How about honest appointment of Supreme court judges so that you never again see the disgrace of the party political division of the Supreme Court as on the "Hanging Chad" litigation? How about some privacy laws so that elections are not fought on the issues of private sexual activity? How about some fair tendering/anticorruption laws so that the defence secretary cannot hand out untendered contracts to the company that pays his pension? How about "common carrier" rules for internet infrastructure? A balance requirement for audiovisual media on political issues? Restrictions on political advertising? Restrictions on media ownership/cross media ownership, so that there is not a concentration of media power in limited hands, and plurality of opinion is protected? Mandatory gender/colour/religion quotas for the election panels in politics? How about a war crimes commission? A constitutional recognition of the right to self-determination of foreign states? A "lemon law" for computer software on the basis that a program has to work? Federal regulation of gambling - maybe like the one decent thing the US has recently done (apart from shackling the chimp) namely clamping down on internet gambling? That should clean up a few acts! How about a Human Rights Act for the USA? (Maybe not quite as loopy as the UK's) A permanent commission on corruption in public life, with additional powers to investigate CIA and FBI? Just a few ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:00 AM Old friend, Paul Stamler, reminds me of the "great humor" and exquisite irony in the fact that the last two Republican senators to give up the ghost were Burns and Allen! Say goodnight, Gracie! Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,Art again Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:02 AM Amazing Gracie, how sweet the sound... Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,lox Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:40 AM Sorry to hear about your wife Tar I hope things work out well for you both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:00 AM I think Richard was suggesting that the United States, as the planet's longest established democracy, ought to start setting the rest of the world a good example rather than a bad example on such matters. Is that asking too much? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST,petr Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:02 PM sure the neocons had all the answers. like - we know he has wmds and we know where they are.. Iraq war will pay for itself... (that an estimated 250,000 soldiers needed to secure Iraq is wildly off the mark) we will be greeted as liberators, the insurgency is in its death throes.. etc.. only 3 months before the Iraq invasion, a reporter overheard GWB asking what the difference is between Sunnis and SHiites in Iraq as didnt know there were 2 different Muslim sects. When Jay Garner was replaced and returned to washington he met with Bush and Rumsfeld and couldnt believe they didnt ask one thing about Iraq like how are we doing out there? and the guy who replaced him, disbanded the army and sent them home with their weapons, instantly creating a cadre of unemployed armed and embittered young men. one of the dumbest military decisions of the past century. when Bush was asked if he was satisfied with how the Iraq war is proceeding he answered no Im not satisfied, we would like the Iraqis to take more charge of their affairs etc... The next question was so you are dissatisfied? He said no of course not... like the guy's an idiot. (He is the decider after all) |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: jeffp Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:31 PM Show me how my post was a personal insult. Then apologize. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Ron Davies Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:06 PM Sorry Richard--your quotas, commissions, restrictions have virtually no chance in the US---main reason being they will all be seen as federal government interference in areas which should not be the jurisdiction of that government. Exhibit A is definitely your gender/colour/ religion quota system for "election panels"--whatever they may be. By the way, what chance would such a requirement have in the UK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:26 PM We have them - semi officially. Central parties tell the local parties that they must have the relevant minorities amongst the candidates to be considered to become the party candidate for the area. US does have the beginnings of "clean funding" requirements already. They need to be expanded across the country. Look again Ron - I don't think you can justify the word "all". Why are you called "Ron Davies" - have you a detailed interest in UK politics and badgers - or is it really your name, or is there another reason? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Ron Davies Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:12 PM Richard-- Oh ye of little faith. I'm fully aware there is another, rather unsavory, Welshman with the same name--a politician--which I'm not. But I'm flattered by being mistaken for somebody who used to, at any rate, have some clout. Or maybe I should feel insulted. Since Davies is a very common Welsh name, there's probably another Ron Davies in Wales itself--a perfectly innocent citizen. But I do have a lively curiosity in affairs outside the US-- as well as inside. Used to work for a PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE--had a real hard time keeping people from stealing the L in the sign . And, to return to the topic, Richard, you're backing off a bit-you now say gender/ religion/etc "semi-officially". Big difference between that and a government regulation requiring it. If you ask the Republicans, they'd love to have more blacks, for instance. But this crop of Republicans appears to think that tax cuts are the answer to everything--and it makes it OK, for instance to appeal to "race-mixing" fears in Tennessee--which we've just seen still works like a charm. For some reason that doesn't help with recruiting blacks. Ironic, since there are actually a fair number of conservatively religious blacks who respond to anti-homosexual marriage and anti-abortion pitches. I know some who very likely voted for Bush last time on that basis. At any rate, you can try to recruit candidates--but if your policies are anathema to your target, you may have a problem--Tennessee ad a case in point. By the way, where do badgers come into it--or is it a kinky connection with my namesake that I'd be better off not knowing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: bobad Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:59 PM My thoughts on the election results are that this scenario may have been averted or at least postponed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Richard Bridge Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:10 AM Ron Davies (the Welsh politician) resigned after apparently late night visits to urban green areas much frequented by homosexuals, beceause he wanted a late night walk in the fresh air and to watch the badgers. After that it all went downhill (or down somewhere). The UK has some official quotas, but the main parties try to rig the local candidate panels with a view to getting a better balance (by race and gender) of politicians into parliament. I'm saying the US does not seem to be doing so well at that, so it needs a mandatory system to ensure fair representation in that respect. THe US needs a bunch of other reforms too - so does the UK but the reforms we need are different, at least in some respects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Richard Bridge Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:13 AM Oh, yes, I came to this thread to wonder what the opposite of a Republicrat is (ie the type of Republican who moves his expressed stance on issues towards the Democrat consensus to attract swing votes from Democrats). Is it a Democran, or a Demicran, and what is half a cran anyway? A cran is a weight of fishing catch, so is a Demicran a politician who isn't half fishy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:14 PM It's actually a moot point--as I recall, each party (Republicans and Democrats) have about 24% of registered voters. But there are huge numbers of independents. And lots of people vote the person--that is, the issues--- not the party---including those registered with a party. But the deciding factor these days appears to be the independents. Thanks for the info on badgers--I understand they and hedgehogs are both under pressure these days in the UK--true? Yeah, the least that Welsh politician could have done would be to have his affairs with girls, not boys. Must make it rough for any other Welsh Ron Davies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:28 PM You conveniently forget that only 39% of the eligible electorate voted last Tuesday, Ron. So that "50% for the two parties" actually works out to be considerably less, when you are talking about actual eligible voters. Non-partisans and independents actually count the non-voting voters the True Blues and Real Reds insist upon leaving behind. Last time I checked, voters and non-voters alike are still citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Nov 06 - 05:41 PM "Guest": This is a recording: Get a name or a handle..........you know the rest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 06 - 08:22 PM Who died and made you Elvis? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Peace Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:59 PM Elvis is dead? Sheesh. O, ye of little faith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:10 PM ..easy to ignore a valid point based on an illogical bias. It's called "dodging the bullet." |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Don Firth Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:25 PM "39% of the eligible electorate," pathetic as that is, is really pretty good for a mid-term election. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Charley Noble Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:32 PM 39% turnout seems awfully low to me. In Maine the turnout was 59%, almost as much as in the last General Election. In my hometown the turnout was 66%. Is there a source for the 39% figure, before we take a "guest's" posting seriously? Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:44 PM "Many moons back you requested prayers for your wife. I did pray for her .... I also stuck up for ya on another thread when you were being blasted by other members .... and yes, on another thread, you you go ahead and call me an asshole. I don't know what kind of game you are playing here Tarheel but frankly I don't give a rat's ass about what ya post, or how other members take shots at ya. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: dianavan Date: 13 Nov 06 - 05:57 PM Do tarheel, does that mean you are going to vote for a party other than the Dems or Republicans? I can't really fathom you casting a vote for the Green Party. Are you going to vote Socialist or Communist? |
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Subject: RE: BS: election thoughts... From: Bobert Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:49 PM Well, well, well... 39%??? Gee, that ain't good but given the extent that the governemnt has gone to to disenfranchise voers, that ain't bad for a middie... Lets face it... Yeah, alot of folks have just given up on the system and for good reason but lets also get real here in that many states, mostly red ones, have made voting harder over the last few years... Plus, why does the elction have to be on the 1st Tueday in Novemeber... I understand, perhaps, doing the counting on the 1st Tuesday but why not have the polls open beginnin' on the Saturday before the election??? This would make it easier/possible for motre folks to vote... Face it, there are a lot of folks at the bottom of the wage scale, who can't vote because they need the dough... If the polls were open for 4 days more folks would vote, that is for sure... And what is with these silly state picture I.d's required to vote??? This is another attempt to disenfranschise folks at the lower end of the econmic scale as these folks, if they don't hardly have time to vote, surely aren't going to have the time to get these fancy i.d.s... But here's what really gripes my butt... How come the Green party gets locked out of debates??? Seems like the FEC sets the bar just high enough to keep them out... Bobert |
