BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 30 Jan 26 - 04:38 AM

O sorry misunderstood ~ yes I have it and have re read the content

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jan 26 - 05:16 AM

No probs Ray!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Feb 26 - 03:50 AM

I am pleased Mandelson has resigned

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 02 Feb 26 - 03:56 AM

So Sir Keir has been making deals with China, due to Big T's attitude to Tariffs

Indeed many countries are appalled at the yet to be proved legitimacy of the confetti tariffs being weaponised

Time will tell if the high costs being extorted from US population by tariff imposition was worth while!

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Feb 26 - 03:07 AM

”Time will tell if the high costs being extorted from US population by tariff imposition was worth while!”

And all the while, he’s telling the Magats that his tariffs have brought “Billions of dollars flowing into the US”. Are they really such dumb-f*cks that they don’t realise those billions aren’t ‘flowing into the US’, they are flowing straight out of their own pockets?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Feb 26 - 03:49 AM

Are they really such dumb-f*cks that they don’t realise those billions aren’t ‘flowing into the US’, they are flowing straight out of their own pockets? QUOTE
Yes

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 26 - 02:28 AM

yes, but nnly those who voted for him

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Feb 26 - 12:39 PM

Backwoodsman:
You quote "From Daniel Lismore (UK-based artist, designer & perfumer) on his FB Page…
“Polls say Reform voters are the least educated.
Polling consistently shows that Reform UK draws its strongest support from voters with lower levels of formal educational attainment. That fact matters. Not as a slur, but because it helps explain a pattern that keeps repeating.

I saw that polling, but could find no evidence that 'weighting' had been applied to the figures.
A quick Google for percentage of entrants to 'higher education' gives the following:
Higher education (HE) entry in the UK has grown significantly, rising from ~3% in the 1950s to ~8% in 1970, ~19% by 1990, and peaking near 50% by the late 2010s. Recent data shows 18-year-old entry rates increased from 24.7% in 2006 to a 38.2% peak in 2021, settling at 36.3% in 2025.
The House of Commons Library

So if Reform are supported mainly by the older generation then that will always mean that those supporters will have lower levels of 'education', but higher levels of life experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Feb 26 - 09:17 PM

Jeremy Corbyn said (of Peter Mandelson)

"Under my leadership of the Labour Party, Peter Mandelson had no role, no influence and no part to play, because I do not trust the man and I do not believe the man."

Labour Party, take note.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 02:01 AM

Starmer under great pressure regarding ill fated Mandelson appointment

following Epstein revelations

Who knows what happens next ~ replacements in the wings queuing up

Farage seen as in Trump terms

Liberals regaining ground; Greens re emergence

Tories still there but so defections to Farage ~ far right party?

Ray

too many parties can distort future of politics!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 02:59 AM

”I do not trust the man and I do not believe the man."

The same could easily be said about Farage. In fact, about the whole Reform UK Limited company posing as a political party - especially since the mass defections of some of the worst elements of the Tory party, who were instrumental in creating the shit-show we were left with in 2024.

FWIW, I’ve also thought, for many years, that there was something very unsavoury and ‘wrong’ about Mandelson. I wouldn’t have trusted him as far as I could spit.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 07:19 AM

”I do not trust the man and I do not believe the man."

The same could easily be said about Farage. In fact, about the whole Reform UK Limited company posing as a political party

Also much of the Labour party!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 08:46 AM

Your opinion, Nigel. And, as we both know, opinions are like arse-holes - everybody has one!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 09:31 AM

Not just much of the Labour party, Nigel. Sadly, many politicians are of the same ilk nowadays. I am not sure where it all started but Blair wond with a massive populist manufesto and it has got steadily worse since.

I think BWM has mentioned the ultimate snake oil salesman though, although I am not sure if Farage learned from Johnson or vice-versa.

As to Mandleson, Well, he was one of the first people to whom the term spin doctor was applied. Anyone who can make a living from turning facts on their heads and creating stories from the flimsiest of sources should never have been in such a position of power in the first place. Dominic Cummins next???

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 09:33 AM

Your opinion, Nigel. And, as we both know, opinions are like arse-holes - everybody has one!

Just as the comment I replied to was just your opinion. But I avoid unnecessary crudities.

Mine is not 'just my opinion'.
Rachel Reeves has been clearly shown to have lied on her c.v. and in her electoral statements.
Ex-Deputy leader, Rayner was avoiding tax, by lying.
Starmer assured Parliament that due process had been followed in appointing Mandelson (although he now says that during that due process he was happy to rely on lies from Mandelson).
Mandelson? Well, even the 'current' PM says he's a liar . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 10:34 AM

Anyone who can make a living from turning facts on their heads and creating stories from the flimsiest of sources should never have been in such a position of power in the first place
. . .and should not be able to find a PM naïve enough to accept his lies at face value.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 10:53 AM

Nigel, my comment was intended to be light-hearted - maybe you need to grow a SoH? ;-)

A supporter of the Tories (and, if my suspicionss are correct, Reform UK Ltd, the limited company pretending to be a political party) should really hold back from trying to take the high ground over politicians' lies - the lies put about by your (two?) parties are well-documented and are legion. Glass-houses, stones, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 11:03 AM

. . .and should not be able to find a PM naïve enough to accept his lies at face value.

Very true, Nigel. If naivete is what it was. Spin doctors are very useful until they get found out. I suspect Mandleson looked like the ideal ambassador for Trump's USA. In either case it was bad judgement on Starmer's part but he was not the first and will not be the last to fall for their own spin!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 11:11 AM

"Mine is not 'just my opinion'.
Rachel Reeves has been clearly shown to have lied on her c.v. and in her electoral statements.
Ex-Deputy leader, Rayner was avoiding tax, by lying.
Starmer assured Parliament that due process had been followed in appointing Mandelson (although he now says that during that due process he was happy to rely on lies from Mandelson).
Mandelson? Well, even the 'current' PM says he's a liar . . ."

I don't think you will many in the ranks of Labour supporters who would try and justify the actions of the individuals you mention Nigel.

However when similar accusations where levelled at members of conservative governments hordes of you fellow conservatives sought to justify their actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 26 - 12:31 PM

”I don't think you will many in the ranks of Labour supporters who would try and justify the actions of the individuals you mention Nigel.

However when similar accusations were levelled at members of conservative governments hordes of you fellow conservatives sought to justify their actions.”

Yep, precisely my point, Raggy.