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Subject: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:09 PM 16 are killed in attack on U.S. Embassy in Yemen Robert Worth September 17, 2008 Heavily armed militants opened fire on the United States Embassy in Sana, Yemen, on Wednesday and detonated a car bomb at its gates, in an attack that left at least 16 people dead including six of the attackers, Yemeni officials said. No Americans were killed or injured in the blast or when guards began to return fire, said a Yemeni official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter. Yemeni security officials and witnesses said the death toll was at least 16, including four bystanders, one of them an Indian woman. The other dead were six attackers and six security guards, the Yemeni officials said, speaking in return for anonymity because they were not authorized to brief reporters. Yemen's official Saba news agency also reported that 16 people were killed. Ryan Gliha, an embassy spokesman, said via e-mail that the attack took place at 9:15 a.m. The embassy would remain closed for now, he said, but gave no further details. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/17/africa/18yemen.php
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: open mike Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:20 PM more info here: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gPT0H4QNxbnAnToQZo5c3pTkPk7AD938J9500 |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:28 PM So, What does president elect Obama propose to do to bring justice to bear on the attackers? Attack, Beg and plead, bribe or appease? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: pdq Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:35 PM Whine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:35 PM It's Bush you should be asking that about. Obama isn't President yet! |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:57 PM Damn. I spailled Ebmassy wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:59 PM 1) Find the people who ordered the attack. 2) Kill them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:02 PM Agreed, Peace. But if they are Iranian government officials? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:03 PM 1) Find the people who ordered the attack. 2) Kill them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:06 PM Part of the problem we have with 'law' these days is that there seems to be one for some folks and the same law is applied differently for other folks. The USA spends millions on spec ops. Hell, the money's already spent. Use it to get a few things straight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: pdq Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:07 PM Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran! Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran! Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran! Let's bomb Iran! (actually, we will let the Israelis do our dirty work for us, again) |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:11 PM not that I disagree with you, but... Don't we need to get international approval ( from Russia, Venezuala, China, Iran, etc) for any action we want to take? Shouldn't we let the UN take action for us, even if it has shown it will not? Don't we need a Congressional study of why the perps might have wanted to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the US, and address solveing that before taking any action that might inflict harm on anyone, even those responsible? (sarcastic comments) |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:15 PM Mention of the UN in this (or most other) contexts reminds me of the song "No balls at all No balls at all A fourteen inch penis and No balls at all." |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:18 PM But they ( the UN) are doing such a wonderful job in keeping Iran from developing Nuclear weapons! Last year it was "five years before they could have them" and now it is "At least two years before they have a nuclear bomb." See what progress they have made! Of COURSE we should stand back and let the UN handle it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: PoppaGator Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:20 PM I'm all in favor of targeting the individuals involved and obiterating their worthless asses. This whole conflict, since 9-11 and even before, has nothing to do with nation-states, and therefore cannot be dealt with by any conventional approach to "war," where war is understood to be a conflict between one nation versus another. As we have seen in Iraq, targeting a nation or a government has no impact upon terrorist groups, except to swell their ranks by giving (relatively) innocent civilians impacted by "collateral damage" very good reason to hate and fear us, and for many of their young men to join up with our REAL enemies. There has been a lot of controversy for many years about the shamefullness and international-illegality of, say, covert assassination plots such as what the CIA may or may not have ever planned for Fidel Castro. I say, go for it! I completely reject the notion that all-out warfare, which causes widespread damage and suffering to so many people and families on both sides, is somehow preferable, or "more honorable," than simply identifying and eliminating a few guilty individuals. There would be no need to mobilize thousands of citizen soldiers; the entire project could be carried out by small groups of well-qualified and highly-motivated military "lifers," and I'm quite confident that, unhampered by political controversy and media coverage, they'd get the job done admirably well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM IMO, were that to happen to a Canadian embassy, I would expect my government to unleash JTF2 with specific orders to hunt down and kill the people responsible for giving the orders to bomb the embassy. Regardless of who, where or why. Period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:24 PM The problem has been, imo, that government officials are immune and we kill civilians to get 'even'. Piss on that. Find the fucks and shoot them. That's it, that's all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:25 PM "I say, go for it! I completely reject the notion that all-out warfare, which causes widespread damage and suffering to so many people and families on both sides, is somehow preferable, or "more honorable," than simply identifying and eliminating a few guilty individuals. There would be no need to mobilize thousands of citizen soldiers; the entire project could be carried out by small groups of well-qualified and highly-motivated military "lifers," and I'm quite confident that, unhampered by political controversy and media coverage, they'd get the job done admirably well. " Agreed. But what about the removal of individuals that have styated the intent to attack another state? Should one wait until after the attack, even if tha attack itself will kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, or remove that individual before he can develope the WMD to perform the attack with? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:28 PM Yemen believes al Qaeda is responsible for the attack, al-Basha said. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the the explosions "bear the hallmarks of an al Qaeda attack." Media reports said Islamic Jihad in Yemen -- which is affiliated with al Qaeda -- has claimed responsibility for the attack, but CNN could not independently confirm those reports. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/17/yemen.blast/index.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: John MacKenzie Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:34 PM I wonder just what the US is doing in Yemen anyway? Has it got oil? XG |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM The US should not have embassies in other countries???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: pdq Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM The United States has a right to be anywhere it wants to be, as long as the counrty welcomes us. Yemen has been friendly for a long time and their government does not want us the think their country unsafe for American tourists and businessmen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Bill D Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:41 PM such interesting comments..... What we DO, of course,is what we can. IF we can find the individuals who did this, we deal with them....harshly. There is, so far no evidence that Yemen knew about or condoned the attack, (different form the situation in Afghanistan in 2001), so we can't exactly go barreling thru Yemen, corralling suspects. This is a different world today! We used to be able to IDENTIFY our enemies...now they are often just malcontents hiding among innocents..(or at least non-violent non-friends). There IS no obvious way to combat fanatical idiots. We can, at least, try to get those 'innocents' to be more friendly and not just make MORE enemies, like we have done in Iraq...but gee, that's wimpy,huh? Whadda ya' want...we should just nuke every place where suspected terrorists 'might' live? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM Straw man, BillD. We have been discussing the identification and removal of those who commited, planned, or ordered the attack. The goal is to prevent the use of nukes, either by others on us, or by us or our allies on others in response to attacks ( that could have been prevented, had action been taken) Hardly "just nuke every place where suspected terrorists 'might' live" |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:53 PM Who mentioned nukes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:55 PM Actually, I did, but in refernce to preventing their use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: pdq Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:02 PM While a familiar group of fools is talking about out-of-fashion eyeglasses and lipstick on various farm animals, the real world is being ignored. This is a dangerous place and we need somebody who recognizes that as president. Perhaps this event will bring a few people back to reality. Just hoping. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: John MacKenzie Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:28 PM They do have oil after all. JM |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:33 PM So? What does that have to do with the price of eggs in Ethiopia? If this was our embassy in New Zealand or Haiti, we should react the same way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:43 PM Let the Yemen officials / police (or whatever) find them .... It was their citizens that were killed in this horrific incident. and let them apply their method of justice. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:49 PM ... and if the country of Yemen won't hunt down the culprits and apply justice. ... pull the embassy out of the country, warn all U.S. citizens to stay out of the country since it is a f&%k up. but then ... there is oil over there. Is there not? bi |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop) Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:07 PM Let me see, now. The U. S. embassy in Yemen was bombed. If I were Bush, what would I do? I know! Invade Venezuela! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: Mrrzy Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:09 PM Nothing has changed, has it, *sigh* -- (Y'all may or may not recall or already know that my dad was killed in the first of all embassy car-bombings, now more than 15 years ago... when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn? |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Emabssy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 08 - 10:33 PM A. UBL's daddy was from Yemen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Laden B. The people responsible for bombing the USS Cole were allowed to escape in Yemen. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189744.php |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 17 Sep 08 - 10:51 PM A. UBL's daddy was from Yemen. B. The people responsible for bombing the USS Cole were allowed to escape in Yemen. so ... who gives a rat's ass. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Barry Finn Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:42 AM What to do if the Yemen Embassey in the US were bombed by home grown terrorists? Now reapply your logic. Yemen would A) Bomb the US where they thought a high concentration of terrorists lived/worshiped/worked, Queens or Brooklyn or both B) Send in a high trained military hit squad & wipe out all the JDL that reside in Manhattan. C) Seek regime change in Sacramento though invasion. D) Ask for a trial in the world court because they knew that the US government was behind the attack & seek billions in resitution. E) None of the above or all of the above. F) Lets make another rash, knee jerk reaction & cause US to complete the mission for the terrorists by doing far more harm to ourselves than the terrorist could possibly imagine, like the last time. Lots of logic happening here. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:52 AM Turn the other cheek. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Barry Finn Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:57 AM If it had happened here I believe Yemen would allow the crime commited on our soil to be investigated & tried here by our government. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Peace Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:34 AM OK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Bert Date: 18 Sep 08 - 01:56 AM ...We can, at least, try to get those 'innocents' to be more friendly and not just make MORE enemies... Right on Bill, the problem is getting people to realize that most Moslems are just ordinary, tolerant, friendly and family oriented people like us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Donuel Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:12 AM Pakistan troops have also followed orders to fire on US troops. We have been sending troops into Pakistan in a desperate missio to get bin Laden before Nov. 4th, with disasterous results in killing scoresof women and children in Pakistan. The minister of Pakistan said the orders to shoot American troops is not a rash decision since Pakistan is a nuclear power. I kid you not.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:40 AM Bombing the Cole was a legitimate military move. Not terrorism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Bill D Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:41 PM well, Bert...I am not sure if you were being sarcastic or serious. IF it was sarcasm, I would simply suggest that no matter how you view "most Muslims", it is still a good idea to not overdo our responses. We already have more battles to fight than we can deal with. and bruce.... yeah..."straw man" ...done so flagrantly that it 'should' be clear it was exaggeration to make a point. If you read the rest of my post and not just the 'straw man' part, you might find the point embedded there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 18 Sep 08 - 12:50 PM BillD, "What we DO, of course,is what we can. IF we can find the individuals who did this, we deal with them....harshly. " which is what has been proposed here. "There is, so far no evidence that Yemen knew about or condoned the attack, (different form the situation in Afghanistan in 2001), so we can't exactly go barreling thru Yemen, corralling suspects." Noone has stated that Yeman was involved, on any official level. The past incidents there ( under Democratic Presidents) ALL had US FBI teams "assistng: the Yemani government. "This is a different world today! We used to be able to IDENTIFY our enemies...now they are often just malcontents hiding among innocents..(or at least non-violent non-friends). There IS no obvious way to combat fanatical idiots. " greed- so what do we do? Investigate, or just allow them to go plan more attacks? "We can, at least, try to get those 'innocents' to be more friendly and not just make MORE enemies, like we have done in Iraq..." When the terrorists kill more civilians and nationals of the country in question than US citizens, one suspects they WOULD appreciate those responsible being brought to justice. Just my opinion, mind you. Perhaps the best thing would be to prohibit all interaction between US and other nations, to remove the temptation for such incidents. Close the Embassies, prohibit traval, and not allow foreign nationals into the US. Have to seal the borders, of course. But then we could not have to worry about it, since they would only kill "foreigners" and that should not be of any concern to us. (Sarcasm) |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 18 Sep 08 - 02:37 PM http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_yemen_us_embassy |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: Greg F. Date: 19 Sep 08 - 11:04 AM Relax, everybody- the BuShite (or McCainite) "War On Terror" will take care of all this. Remember: "Mission Accomplished!!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Sep 08 - 11:11 AM No, O'Bomber will send cruise missles over, like Clinton did. Just wait until he is elected, with a rubberstamp congress to let him do whatever he wants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: US Embassy in Yemen Bombed From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM Yemen's president condemns US embassy attack By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 12 minutes ago SAN'A, Yemen - Yemen's president condemned the U.S. Embassy attack that killed 17 people including one American and vowed to pursue the "criminals" who carry out such acts, the country's news agency reported Friday. In his first remarks since Wednesday's assault, President Ali Abdullah Saleh lashed out against terrorists, saying their actions are a result of "faulty upbringing." "Security forces cannot prevent a terrorist from dying because he has decided to die, and this is a result of an ignorant and backward mind-set," the president was quoted by SABA as saying late Thursday in the town of Hodeida. "They offer no plans to serve the country; their plans are just death and destruction." The attack on the gate of the U.S. Embassy by a half dozen gunmen and two vehicles packed with explosives killed six militants and 11 others including 18-year-old Susan Elbaneh of Lackawanna, N.Y. and her Yemeni husband. None of those killed or wounded were U.S. diplomats or embassy employees. The attackers failed to breach the embassy walls, but it was the deadliest direct assault on a U.S. Embassy in a decade and was the closest extremists have come to penetrating the grounds of the low-slung building in several attempts. There has been no claim of responsibility, but suspicion focused on Osama bin Laden's terror network. Police has rounded up 25 suspected militants with ties to al-Qaida. The attack came at a time of deep economic hardships in the Arab world's poorest country, widespread anti-American sentiment and a return of militants from Iraq's insurgency whom officials believe have been involved in recent attacks on tourists, foreign companies and oil facilities. It also came a few weeks after the State Department allowed the return of nonessential embassy personnel and family members who had been ordered to leave after a mortar attack in March targeting the compound hit a neighboring girls high school instead, killing a Yemeni guard and wounding 13 girls. In his speech, Saleh said such attacks harm not only foreigners but also the stability and security of the country. "These criminal acts are against the stability and development of the country, and they are condemned and rejected," he added. "We shall pursue these criminals wherever they are until they are arrested and brought to justice." Saleh said that the "terrorists" do not want any dealings with the West or with foreign banks. "We still need to deal with the rest of the world," he added. "They (terrorists) want us to shut down the electricity and lights and go back to the past, to the candles, and not ride planes, ships or cars. These are totally backward mind-sets." The president urged Yemenis, including educators, the clergy and intellectuals, to reject extremism and spread the "noble values" of Islam. |
