BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?

Subject: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:23 AM

Help, Mudcatters!

This is NOT a music thread. It has nothing to do with music at all! But it is no worse than some of the other BS in the threads today!

Hardi amd I missed the episode that explains how TV DA Adam Schiff left office as DA. And they never refer to it in the show! So it's been driving us nuts for weeks!

I just spent the last hour trying to find out where the hell Adam (the character played by Steven Hill) went this season. Oh I found out that the ACTOR decided to retire from the show, and there were even various forums arguing about whether the change in cast made any sense-- and there was a site with episode synopses, but I did not find any for THIS year.

And BTW! The forums out there-- (shudder).... NOTHING compares to MUDCAT, even on this place's worst day!

C'mon, admit it-- you watch some TV, right?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:30 AM

I don't know why he left, but I do know this...

Adam Shift was the BEST character on any TV show EVER!!!

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:32 AM

I missed that episode where they introduced her.....Sorry. On the older episodes on A&E, I've seen each one at least 17 times........Karen and I play "Name That Episode" as we watch the first few seconds.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:33 AM

That's why it's making us so nuts!

No one could toss back a drink or a line like Adam!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:33 AM

I miss him too, but I don't see the show very often.

I like the new lady alright.

But I still miss the prosecutor that Angie Harmond replaced (though I can't remember her name).

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:35 AM

That's "SCHIFF" Clinton you dumbass!!! Yeah, I agree....great character....I miss him already.

That show has done really well with a changing cast.....Now with Steven Hill gone, that completes the whole cycle....not an original member left.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Matt_R
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:36 AM

Adam Schiff left as DA after his wife died of cancer...

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:37 AM

Harmon is leaving soon and we'll have yet another assistant to McCoy.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:38 AM

His wife died of cancer a couple of seasons ago though no?

Shift? Schiff? Whatever! Back off spaw, or I'll bury my foot in yer ass!

LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:39 AM

Angie Harmon replaced Carey Lowell as.... oh well! Can't recall that now! CRS!

Spaw, we do that too! I can usually spot them now in the opening shot... before the dialog, I'm announcing, "This is the one where...." But worse-- I also missed part one of the current two-part Nero Wolfe, due to the Gathering!!!! (I hate it when that happens! *G*) But don't you think that now that Timothy Hutton is directing, he is also overacting as the glib Archie, just a TAD??? And didn't you always think Nero would be Orson Welles? Too bad he died... him and Hutton, wouldda been good...

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:40 AM

Who watches SVU as well?

I try to remember when it's on, but I keep missing it.. Seems like the only shows I watch with any regularity these days are History Bites, Dark Angel, and Win Ben Steins Money...

;-)

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:41 AM

Carey Lowell as Jamie something or other...

Yeah the wife died awhile back, and then some jagoff was after Adam's job and making bad press for him.... but how did they resolve his exit???

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:46 AM

Yes, Sport Violence Unit. Bad at first but got better. Too sleazy at the start... now, more drama, more acting.

We preferred (for the record), HOMICIDE until that silly Luther Mahoney story line. Mike Kellerman, IMNSHO, drew a series of really stupid story lines. I liked Bo Felton's death best, and Kay's trip home to find a murder to solve, and how about that coffin sex stuff?

But we like NYPD Blue best. FX has early reruns on nowadays-- before Diane arrives. Our time zone, Mudcat time that is, 7 PM.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:46 AM

The jagov was Robert Vaughn (that's Napoleon Solo to you Clinton).......

I like Nero too, but then again, I liked the books and I like Tim Hutton...and I loved his Dad. Died much too young.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:48 AM

Maybe Tim Hutton will do Ellery Queen sometime - that'd be cool

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:59 AM

Well, yeah the Wolfe books... I had all of them at one point and read them so thoroughly they fell apart!

Hutton's dad? Huh? CRS. Who? What?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 01:02 AM

Jim Hutton....Played "Ellery Queen" among many other things.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 01:07 AM

Uh...... did I used to know that? Hmmmm.....

Guess I better get some sleep!

Isn't it funny how Nero Wolfe NEVER leaves his home... except when he does?? I mean, he keeps breaking that rule....

Goyya love him though!

I always liked that Saul Panzer fellow, and Fred.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 01:08 AM

Goyya = ypto = Gotta

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 May 01 - 02:12 AM

SVU blows. It's just an icky version of Law and Order, with crap acting. How many s&m-loving transexual hookers can be sodomized and murdered by their own illegitimate millionaire infant children, only to have things complicated by their former lover's trained Chilean rape-dog's diplomatic immunity, in NYC in one season? SVU knows the answer.

I've been a fan of the REAL Law and Order since the beginning, though. I'm glad that boney Texan is leaving. She's the only character I haven't grown to like. I miss Steven Hill, too. I like Dianne Wiest, too, though. (I think that's her name. I'm tired.)

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 03 May 01 - 04:42 AM

Thread creep! I'm a great fan of the Nero Wolfe books and I'm gradually collecting them all(I've even got the cook-book!)and never knew there was a tv series. I remember a one-off with Frank Cannon (was that an actor or another part he played?) who was much too small (IMO). Wolfe has to be tall as well as fat. I always thought Raymond Burr was born to play the part but I suppose he was too busy with other products. Is this an old series? I can't remember it ever being on UK terrestrial tv ( but we only got our own tv in the mid-70s).I'd be interested in hearing about the casting of the main characters.
RtS

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 07:22 AM

Hiya Skiff.........It's a new series on A&E here in the states............don't know about you guys, sorry. I like it, at least the costuming is great! Here's a link

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: LR Mole
Date: 03 May 01 - 09:58 AM

Steven Hill was also the first leader of the TV Mission Impossible team, first season. Mr. Briggs. What I can't figure is the folk who prefer Moriarity to Waterston, from the early ones. De gustibus non est dispudandum, I reckon.

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 10:28 AM

There's nothing more subjective than taste eh LR... -I- forinstance,much prefer Moriarity... And in difference to L Rex's rant, I sorta dig SVU as well...

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 11:46 AM

But where did ADAM go?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Kim C
Date: 03 May 01 - 11:47 AM

I liked Moriarty but I am a big Waterston fan anyway... loved him in "I'll Fly Away."

Mister and I were just talking the other night about how Law & Order has had a complete cast turnover and the show's been on - how many years? Awhile.

Wasn't Chris Noth on there originally as the partner of the man who was assassinated in his front yard?

I will only watch SVU if Nash Bridges is a rerun. Although I sort of like Ice-T's character. And Belzer.

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 11:48 AM

Probably somewhere to lay down for about a year... He always looked so tired!!

LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 May 01 - 11:54 AM

Richard Belzer's on SVU right? I like him though I can't watch the show very often. I wonder why they had to make it about sex crimes - why couldn't they just make it the say as L & O with a different cast (and would it kill them to move it out of New York?) Why do the networks think that if there isn't a billion NY shows on TV that all of the US will stop watching TV?

I actually get tired of watching NYPD Blue about halfway through each season because I don't like the way most of the characters talk and act (and before I get flammed: There is nothing wrong with NYers - It is just that enough is enough.)

How about a Law And Order from Montreal - that'd be something interesting (assuming that people kill each other there - though it didn't stop Colin Dexter from killing off people in peaceful Oxford for the Morse books).

RANT OVER - And now back to your regular programming.

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:04 PM

There is a great English detective novel series about a fella called The Toff, by Creasey (Sp?). That would be great on TV-- has it been?

CH, I like the image that comes, Adam wandering around with his hair all sticking out, in a raggedy bathrobe, hasn't shaved in weeks... half-smoked cigars everywhere.... brooding over it all. McCoy stops by once in awhile to get fresh inspiration...

Yes, Chris Noth was on for a long while, and his partner did get it out front of his house.

How about when Claire Kincaid got it? Awful.

Or maybe Adam went on a world Scotch-tasting adventure with that heavy crystal he had in his office!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Mooh
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:04 PM

Great show, though I've not seen the new episodes. I figure my 14 year old will become a lawyer because of watching that black woman lawyer kicks the DA's butt a few times. Not a bad role model. So long as she makes enough to keep me in my old age...

What happened to Adam? One of the best actors in any role on TV, ever. IMHO. I always liked the way he was given the last or next to last wry comment at the end of the show. If all TV was this good...but, sigh...it isn't.

Peace. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:11 PM

Did everyone miss the season ended and this season's starter???

ADAM WHERE ARE YOU?

Maybe someone with a faster computer can do the search through all the fan pages and fora to find out-- it's rough going, I gave up after an hour!

Then just at the last, we can make up a song about his leaving and thus create this as a music thread!

I suppose it is not unlike playing Trivial Pursuit between sets at a coffeehouse.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:17 PM

It IS simply a great show....well written and a cast that we all continue to love even as it changes. Fine actors and good direction, well developed scripts..........hard to beat.

Oh...and Blackcatter........They were going to do one in my village, but we don't have a real police station or a police force and only one county deputy ....... and the day the Ice Cream store opens is the biggest day of the year! Some kids got in a fight there last year, but it wouldn't make much of a story.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:18 PM

Claire Kincaid's last episode was one of the best episodes L&O ever made!!!

Clair was by far my favorite ADA...

Hummina hummina hummina ha wa wa!!!

;-)

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:21 PM

Though ole Lenny was gonna eat his gun over that one.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Joy Bennett
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:34 PM

ok, so I remembered that Chris Noth was on from the beginning - and I remember his partner getting shot -- and Paul Sorvino taking his place for a season -- but does anyone remember Chris Noth's partner's name? It has me batty -- we've been trying to remember ----

and yes, it still is to me one of the best shows on TV! How many years has it been on now?

and I do remember Steven Hill as Mr. Briggs on Mission Impossible though I was younger then!

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Kim C
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:42 PM

I don't remember Claire --- that might have happened during the 2 years I had no television, and the period after we got a new TV that I really didn't watch any programs. Seems like I went right from Moriarty to Adam. But I don't remember. Somebody jog my memory.

Did somebody mention Morse? I loved Morse on PBS!!! I couldn't believe they killed him off!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anybody else watch West Wing before L&O comes on?

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:44 PM

George Dzundza played the first lead detective, Max Greevey.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:50 PM

BTW, Paul Sorvino played Phil Cerreta.

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:52 PM

All this stuff and much more can be found on the Law And Order pages on the internet movie database

That's imdb.com for short... Just do a search for "Law & Order" and you'll find most of the stuff yer looking for...

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 12:57 PM

Greavey.

CH, hey, go find Adam for me. I'll do a line break for ya in trade. Come on-- someone-- this computer really sucks!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 May 01 - 04:41 PM

Hey all

Spaw - sounds like you live in Mayberry - one of the best cop shows if you ask me.

So what is the name of the actor who played Claire Kincaid?

& Kim - I watch the whole night - Ed, West Wing and L & O. - I'm out that night (great open-mike a few blocks from my home) but I tape them and stay up till 3 am to watch them. Good Stuff!

And I miss Morse too - but they ran out of stories and that's about it - I certainly wouldn't expect someone other than Dexter to write them. Did you see the retrospective on the series on PBS? It was neat to find out that Colin Dexter did a "Hitchcock" and appeared in every episode - I'm looking forward to seeing them all again to see if I can spot him. I don't have cable so it'll be awhile (assuming they're on cable).

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Bert
Date: 03 May 01 - 04:55 PM

I liked the Morse series too. I would say that I also like Nero Wolfe but I'm never going to admit to reading such stuff.

I like the Toff (and even Gideon) too, even if they are a little juvenile at times.

But WHEN are they going to make some shows of Joyce Porter's "Dover".

L&A's OK. Tree watches it so it's often on.

The only shows on now that I make a point of watching are Sister Wendy and Robot Wars.

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 May 01 - 05:02 PM

Jill Hennessey played Kincaid.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 03 May 01 - 05:17 PM

Thanks Spaw - I checked it out on the 'Net

I saw this:

From Variety:

NBC has inked a major talent deal, landing Jill Hennessy (``Law & Order'') for the lead in a female coroner pilot. She will play Jordan Cavanaugh, an offbeat coroner who refuses to play by the rules. Hennessy played assistant D.A. Claire Kincaid on ``Law & Order'' from 1993 to 1996. The new series will start filming in Los Angeles in April.

Assuming the writers don't go on strike.

pax yall

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 05:40 PM

Cool!

OK, Bert, but will you admit to watching Junkyard Wars (AKA Scrapheap)??

Anyone?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Bert
Date: 03 May 01 - 05:42 PM

Never!

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Chicken Charlie
Date: 03 May 01 - 07:11 PM

Now that we've all blown our cover and can no longer pretend we don't know what a TV is, L&O is a daily ritual at our house (and shrine of traditional culture) but I quit watching SVU. Partly it was what L. Rex said, but mainly the writers drove me nuts by constantly having the two star gumshoes alternately finish each others' sentences, through whole conversations. That overused gimmick got to me, wonderfully tolerant and understanding soul that I am. (Yes, I have a bridge I will sell you.)

CC

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 01 - 07:25 PM

Nyah nyah Bert, I betcha do! I'll call you up and listen to what's on! *G*

Junkyard Wars! Junkyard Wars! Yeah!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 04 May 01 - 04:26 AM

Thanks for the Nero Wolfe link, 'Spaw. I suspect ot would disappoint me if it aired over here, I've got such a clear pcture in my head of what I think they all look like!
RtS (time I went back to Murder One bookshop and filled a few more gaps!)

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 May 01 - 10:48 AM

Junkyard Wars is fantastic... except for the American version... Holy yawn-o-ramma!

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 01 - 10:55 AM

Anybody see the season opener right after Claire died in the car crash? They occasionally refer to her death, but I missed the opener itself, how was it handled?

Also, I call the other one "SUV" instead of SVU, seems more normal to me. My main objection about it is that it is all Law, and no Order, in that they spend the whole show on the cops part trying to make the arrest, whereas what is so great about the original is that then at the half it switches to trying to get the conviction, so you really see both parts of the legal system. But I just love the actors, the Hungarian woman and her partner. I also really like the new partner for Briscoe on the regular show, and while I miss Adam Schiff a lot, I am reserving judgment in the new DA. When they replaced Claire with Jamie, one of the things I liked the most is that she (Jamie) was a little slimy, and not all ethics before all, she would cut corners and so on, added a real newness to the replacement of one white woman with another. I miss her, and don't like the new one as much, can't even remember her name now.. but then again, the class I teach is on Weds, and I've missed more L&O this season than I would normally allow myself. But if anyone could tell me how they handled Claire's death, I'd be grateful. I did see the car crash, where it wasn't immediately clear to me if she were dead or merely injured...

Subject: RE: BS-iest: Law & Order Fans?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 May 01 - 11:03 AM

I do not recall that Claire's death was referred to much, except that people were obviously NOT saying much to McCoy, who was obviously preoccupied and not getting too close to anybody. They did make a reference to it at one point in the season, and I can't remember the context, but I remember the tone of it as a small thing said with everyone pausing with more deep feeling than words could get at-- a sense that everyone present knew what everyone else was feeling and no need to say it and no help to be had in saying it either. Understated-- pow'ful.

~S~