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Subject: BS: Karl Rove ....is running out the door! From: Alba Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:17 AM Sometimes.. (and these times are rare these days).. the News in the Political world gives me cause to smile. Today is such a day. It is being reported this morning that Snarl (Karl) Rove (aka The President's brain) is planning to leave the White House on August 31st 2007 to spend more time with his family........ Let the spin begin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:20 AM So does that leave the president in the same postion as Dorothy's scarecrow, looking for a brain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:53 AM Rigin... I made just the cartoon to fit your scenario. All the best characters of the Wizard of Oz are there...while Rove floats away in his balloon powered by his own methane. even the wicked witch of the West looks a bit like the IRanian president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:00 AM Don't fall for this crap-- he'll still be involved, he just won't be on the publicly-viewable payroll. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Sorcha Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:11 AM Yup, I'm with Whizzy on this. And, let's wait and see who is 'In' too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:13 AM it also is a technical sheild from indictments, probes and subpeonas that will at least buy time. Karl is leaving to spend more time with his felons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:16 AM I don't trust these guys as far as I can throw them, so I'm sure this isn't good news even though it might SEEM like good news. Rove is probably going to nurture the next Republican they would like to usher into the office. I wonder if he'll be more difficult to prosecute from where he's headed now? Link Karl Rove, President Bush's close friend and chief political strategist, plans to leave the administration at the end of August, the White House said Monday. A longtime member of Mr. Bush's inner circle, Rove was nicknamed "the architect" by the president for designing the strategy that twice won him the White House. A criminal investigation put Rove under scrutiny for months during the investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name but he was never charged with any crime. In a more recent controversy, Rove, citing executive privilege, has refused to testify before Congress about the firing of U.S. attorneys. Mr. Bush was expected to make a statement Monday with Rove. Later Monday, Rove, his wife and their son were to accompany Mr. Bush on Air Force One when the president flies to Texas for his vacation. "Obviously it's a big loss to us," White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said. "He's a great colleague, a good friend, and a brilliant mind. He will be greatly missed, but we know he wouldn't be going if he wasn't sure this was the right time to be giving more to his family, his wife Darby and their son. He will continue to be one of the president's greatest friends." It's very unusual for top presidential aides to stay for all eight years. The jobs are burnout jobs, reports CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller. The president goes through top aides over the course of his eight years in office, so Rove's decision to step down while a surprise is by no means unprecedented. Since Democrats won control of Congress in November, a number of other top administration officials have announced their resignations. Among those who have left are White House counselor Dan Bartlett, budget director Rob Portman, chief White House attorney Harriet Miers, political director Sara Taylor, deputy national security adviser J.D. Crouch and Meghan O'Sullivan, another deputy national security adviser who worked on Iraq. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was forced out immediately after the election as the unpopular war in Iraq dragged on. Rove became one of Washington's most influential figures during Mr. Bush's presidency. He is known as a ruthless political warrior who has an encyclopedic command of political minutiae and a wonkish love of policy. Rove met Mr. Bush in the early 1970s, when both men were in their 20s. Once inside the White House, Rove grew into a right-hand man. Rove is expected to write a book after he leaves. He disclosed his departure in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. He said he decided to leave after White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten told senior aides that if they stayed past Labor Day they would be obliged to remain through the end of the president's term in January 2009. "I just think it's time," Rove said in an interview at this home on Saturday. He first floated the idea of leaving to Mr. Bush a year ago, the newspaper said, and friends confirmed he'd been talking about it even earlier. However, he said he didn't want to depart right after the Democrats regained control of Congress and then got drawn into policy battles over the Iraq war and immigration. (Follow the link for the rest of the story) SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:20 AM I think they have the goods on him for the greatest vote tampering fraud in the history of the US. As an architect he is needed to build a bridge in Minnisota. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Alba Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:26 AM The grooming of 'Jed' begins! You know the old saying..."Keep your Friends close and your Enemies closer" Timing is everything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:54 AM Alba, maybe you're right. Bush senior was seen to break down and cry over the reality that George has spoiled the dynasty for Jeb. Still if they put bin Laden's head on a stick and pass it to Jeb, the base will be adequately hypnotized by the bouncing head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Mickey191 Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:12 AM CNN just reported that the first thing Rove will do when he returns to Texas is "Go dove hunting with his pals." That is what the closed captions said. I'm a city girl--do people actually hunt doves? If the answer is yes--it somehow fits him to a tee! I Bet George hunts Butterflies! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:19 AM Doves, yes, and country pigeons. Lots of drinking, shooting the pigeons circling over the barn. I'm told that the tiny breast-meat portion is ripped out with a quick pinch and the bird discarded. A delicacy, by the panful. Rove to Jeb: "Got my office ready?" ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Alba Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:26 AM Donuel your post has made me realise that I always get the name 'Jeb' mixed up with the character name 'Jed' of 'The Beverly Hillbillies fame. Slime balls like Snarl Rove do not give up their power as easily as this and offer such a lame ass excuse and the excuse being offered is certainly not worthy coming from the guy Bush called his "Architect" ...surely they all could have come up with something much more substantial by way of an explaination...something that even slightly sounds believable by way of a valid reason for Rove going underground, sorry, I meant to say resigning his position. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: katlaughing Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:28 AM Maybe he'll shoot a friend ala Cheney. Good riddance and I hope he gets muzzled, somehow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Bill D Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:50 AM Donuel...can you post the cartoon anywhere?? As you know, I enjoy them. (who is your ISP? Many ISPs give you a certain amount of free space to host stuff like that. Comcast give me like 10 megs, I think.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Don Firth Date: 13 Aug 07 - 06:51 PM I smell a chubby little rat! It is said by some folks that Karl Rove worships the Devil. Wrong! The Devil worships Karl Rove! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Bobert Date: 13 Aug 07 - 07:24 PM Ditto, Don... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Donuel Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:10 PM Good ol CUT AND RUN Rove is headed for the hills to kill some doves. As a consultant all he needs is his trusty Diebold flash drive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Charley Noble Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:25 PM I'm really sad that Karl has left. He was the only one inside the White House who could outmaneuver Dick Chaney. Of course his goal was to create a Republican dynasty, and he failed at that. The best he could do with the shithead he had was to get him elected and re-elected. Still, I'll miss ol' Karl. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Bobert Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:26 PM Well, I was ridin' to work this mornin' when I heard it an' my first reaction was "Great, it's about time"... And then it wasn't a minute later when I had to ask myself, "Hmmmm, what is the creep up to now???" True story... I do not trust Karl Rove except to use any divisive politics to keep people poloraized... He is a one trick pony... He can not change his spots... So, right now, I think I'll lock my house fir the first time in a couple years... Something is up... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Deckman Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:54 PM He's just taking a little vacation break. Then he'll return in the Fall. He'll be hired by the NRP. He'll run the campaign against Hillory. It doesn't really matter who the Republican candicate will be. The contest will be between Rove and Hillary. Bob(deckman)Nelson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: frogprince Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:07 PM My first thought was that it's the perfect example of a rat deserting a sinking pirate ship (ever try pronouncing pirate ship while holding the tip of your tongue with your fingers?) It will be interesting to see whether the upcoming repubs clamor for Rove's expert assistance, or cringe away to avoid contamination from his rep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Aug 07 - 11:15 PM Heard a fascinating story on "On Point", I think, radio program on public radio. Rove in high school. Mock election, 1968. Principal told the various groups the rules. Rove broke every rule and won the election---representing Eugene McCarthy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,Texas Guest Date: 13 Aug 07 - 11:42 PM My only thought here on Rove leaving is - so what, the damage has been done; who cares where he goes now? I was a delegate to the 2004 Texas Democratic Party Convention and I recall one of the highlights to the three-day event was the presentation to the assembly of all of the Texas State Reps who walked out and hid in New Mexico so that there was no quorum to hold a vote on redistricting that would allow the republicans to get more seats (y'all remember Tom DeLay, don't ya?). I recall the crowd going wild with applause while I sat there dumb-founded - why were they applauding - the democrats ultimately caved in and returned home to allow a vote in favor of a new redistricting system giving republicans several new seats? HEY FOLKS - THE DAMAGE IS DONE, WE DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. I'll be the first to tell you that the older I get - the less I know. I would have bet a month's salary back in '04 that - given what he had done and where we were headed - GWB was not going to be reelected. Wrong! I will write right now that it will not suprise me for one instant when Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney gets elected in '08. I cannot believe that this country is ready to elect a black man as president - there are just too many folks out there who refuse to cast a vote in that direction (I am NOT one of those). I also cannot believe that there are enough voters in this country to elect Hilary Clinton against the right-wing voters opposed to her who will go to the polls in droves just so she doesn't get in - she'll never get elected. Finally, I also do not believe that the country is intelligent enough to elect a man like Bill Bradley (who isn't running) or John Edwards (who is); therefore, we will have another republican administration elected in '08 - Bush or Romney. But, I'm getting older by the minute and I'll know even less come next November. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Aug 07 - 11:44 PM What's all this 'will resign at the end of the month'? In lowlier positions than his, people have been shown the door on the day they hand in their notice due to the sensitivity of their work. Does this mean he's got another 2 weeks to stick his head in other pies and settle himself a nice little retirement package? Either he has resigned now and is working his notice, or he's planning something. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Amos Date: 14 Aug 07 - 12:16 AM HE needs two weeks to lay down the plan for Romney. Remember, he is dedicated to establishing a permanent Republic majority in the United States government, wily or nilly. He can't do that with Bush, as third terms are not presently legal. He can no more stay away than a scorpion could change his disposition just because a snake asked him to. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 14 Aug 07 - 12:22 AM Please God third terms never DO become legal... Long term leadership of the elected kind do not do well - remember, we in the UK had 11 years of Maggie Thatcher - and look what happened during those 11 years (1979-1990)! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,padgett Date: 14 Aug 07 - 04:11 AM Can't help but think that our American cousins should have plenty for a song starting: As I Roved out~ etc Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Hrothgar Date: 14 Aug 07 - 06:04 AM Sounds like a ship deserting a sinking rat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Aug 07 - 08:52 AM Is Karl Rove on his way to manage the campaign for the other Bush brother in 2012? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Amos Date: 14 Aug 07 - 10:19 AM That is very funny, Hrothgar!! I suspect he'lll be strategizing for Romney and Jed Bush in the near future but no explicit statement has been made from Rover to this effect. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Barry Finn Date: 14 Aug 07 - 11:17 AM What ever he does he needs to be held accountable for his crimes while in office, which I don't much hope for. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,petr Date: 14 Aug 07 - 12:08 PM one of the headlines I saw... Bush's brain has left the building. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Amos Date: 14 Aug 07 - 01:43 PM In a nutshell. What a poltroon. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Bill D Date: 14 Aug 07 - 02:33 PM The Post and several TV pundits are really getting smart these days....they've started saying what *I*ve been saying for several years... ...namely, that Rove's long-range goal was a Republican dynasty, and that he intended to Gerrymander, pack the courts, pass laws, and create 'anger-based' special interest groups that would ensure that Republicans kept control of all branches of government, no matter what the situation!!! That he screwed up and failed was partly due to his inability to put a good face on Bush's ineptness and to the stupid way they conducted the 'war'. When you begin to offend even your conservative base, some of the slimy tricks become pretty obvious....and dead & mangled soldiers from conservative households do cause a wee bit of re-thinking of policy! Add to this all the scandals, both moral & economic, involving Republicans recently, and you have a LOT of 'independants' moving leftish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,petr Date: 14 Aug 07 - 02:44 PM not only Bushs ineptitude but arrogance even to his own republican base. remember the nominations to the Supreme Court and all republicans insisting on an up-or-down vote for the nominee since they held the majority at the time.. But when it came to Bush's own Harriet Myers - suddenly you didnt hear anything about the candidate being given an up or down vote... Since she didnt even get that chance... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Rapparee Date: 15 Aug 07 - 09:32 AM Leaving the White House doesn't prevent you from being investigated and convicted for crimes committed during your employment there -- look at the Watergate mess. Of course, the Pres can pardon you later. "I, George W. Bush, President of the United States of America, hereby pardon George W. Bush...." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: OldPossum Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:48 AM From the webpage Stilly River Sage linked to near the top of this thread: ... Rove possessed a love of history, an encyclopedic command of political minutiae and a wonkish love of policy."Wonkish" ?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: pdq Date: 15 Aug 07 - 11:03 AM "...remember the nominations to the Supreme Court and all republicans insisting on an up-or-down vote for the nominee" That should not surprise anyone who is a citizen if the United States. If it does, read the US Constutution. The concept of filibustering has always applied to legislation, not to nominations. Of course, that was BC (=before Clinton). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,petr Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:10 PM ok so didnt Harriet Myers deserve an up or down vote? and they didnt dare use the nuclear clause... cause one day - when the republicans are the minority - theyd regret it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: pdq Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:54 PM "ok so didnt Harriet Myers deserve an up or down vote?" Harriet Meyers nomination never made it to a vote. When the news media and the Democrats raised a huge din that she was too close to president George W. Bush and that she was not qualified, the nomination was withdrawn. This resulted in a true conservative being nominated and approved to the SCOTUS. "and they didnt dare use the nuclear clause..." The term was "nuclear option" which was just a piece of public relation BS. The Republicans have always shown respect for Democrat presidential nominations. According to the the US Constitution, a presidential nomination shall be approve by majority vote of the legialature, that being 50% plus one. The Republicans even showed respect for Clinton's choice of Ruth "Baader-Meinhoff" Ginsgurg, who is not a very good student of law and was appointed entirely for political reason. BTW, she spearheaded the Kelo case majority, the worst unconstitional disaster in US history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,petr Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:52 PM democrats opposed Harriet Myers? you are kidding of course... it was a republican backlash that got Bush to backpedal on Myers, (William Kristol - 'Disappointed- depressed, demoralized' Limbaugh ditto ) etc etc.. despite nudge nudge wink wink she really is one of us... (Idont want to bother with links) - (and they never did use that talking point again about the 'up or down vote' - exactly because Myers never got one thanks to their own side) nuclear option whatever you want to call it..Republicans knew full well if they set the precedent.. one day the shoe would be on the other foot. worst unconstitutional disaster in US history.?.. I thought that was the patriot act? and spying on Americans, and calling anyone (including US citizens non-combatants thereby taking away constitutional rights), renditions, secret detention camps.. etc.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:52 PM Karl Rove is no more 'out the door' than Henry Kissinger. I'd say its more like he's 'in the closet'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Aug 07 - 05:08 PM from the Washington Post: What History Taught Karl Rove By Michael Gerson Friday, August 17, 2007; Page A23 When I asked Karl Rove this week to summarize his approach to politics, he quoted from memory a 167-year-old letter by Abraham Lincoln to his Whig campaign committee: "Keep a constant watch on the doubtful voters, and from time to time have them talked to by those in whom they have the most confidence." Rove's innovation was to bring this peer-to-peer politics to a continental scale. Microtargeting and intensive turnout efforts helped win West Virginia by 6 points in 2000 (Bob Dole had lost the state by 15 points in 1996) and improbably elected a Republican challenger in a time of Democratic prosperity. "In election after election," Rove observes, "we were applying Lincoln's letter." It is a typical Rove response -- a sophisticated electoral strategy wrapped in an obscure historical reference. His background in direct mail, along with the experience he gained while converting Lyndon Johnson's Texas into a Republican stronghold, has given him a comprehensive understanding of the technologies and trends of politics. But in several years as a colleague, I found Rove to be the most unusual political operative I have ever known; so exceptional he doesn't belong in the category. His most passionate, obsessive love -- after his wife -- is American history. He visits its shrines and collects its scraps -- carefully archived pictures of President William McKinley's funeral, original ballots from the 1860 election. And from American history Rove knows: Events are not moved primarily by techniques; they are moved by ideas. Rove's main influence on the Republican Party has not been a series of tactical innovations but a series of strategic arguments. In this way, Rove is the opposite of a cynical political operator. He is not only a partisan for George W. Bush but the most serious, tireless advocate of Bushism. First, Rove argues that Republicans win as activist reformers, in the tradition of Lincoln, McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt. "We were founded as a reformist party," he said in our conversation this week, "not to be against something, but to help the little guy get ahead." The models he cites are 401(k)s and the mortgage interest deduction -- government policies that encouraged individual wealth and ownership. Then Rove spent several minutes describing, with wonkish delight, the momentum and virtues of health savings accounts, a Bush-era innovation allowing individuals to save tax-free for routine medical expenses. The activist use of government to help individuals get ahead may not sound controversial. Among Republicans, it is. In the 1996 presidential election, Dole's domestic message focused on the limits and flaws of the federal government -- he talked endlessly of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, which constrains federal power in favor of the states. In 2000, Bush's main domestic proposal concerned the use of federal power to catalyze state education reform -- a head-snapping contrast. Second, Rove has argued that tending to your political base and reaching beyond it are not incompatible. He talks of raising "bold colors" on conservative issues such as tax cuts, the protection of unborn life and the appointment of originalist judges. At the same time, he has advocated policy innovations to appeal to new voters. "How can it be all about the base," asks former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, "when Karl is also the biggest supporter of prescription drugs for seniors and immigration reform that allows for earned legalization?" From 2000 to 2004, this approach excited conservative enthusiasm; boosted President Bush's support among Hispanics, Asian Americans, Catholics and women; and increased his popular vote total in his reelection bid by 23 percent. Third, Rove has argued that the Republican Party will need to appeal to minorities or gradually decline. "We can't be the party of America," he says, "and get 13 percent of the African American vote." And given demographic trends, it is hard to imagine that Republicans will remain a national party if they alienate Latinos. Looking back at his career, Rove is particularly proud that "when we ran in Texas in 1998, among the statewide Republican ticket, a minority of the candidates were white men." Rove has shown a consistent commitment to inclusion, as both a moral good and a political necessity. It is sometimes alleged that Rove's arguments have not fully prevailed in the GOP -- which is true. It is further alleged that these arguments have been discredited by events -- which is not true. The complications of Iraq have obscured Rove's victories, not undone them. And his key historical insight is unavoidable: Republicans win as conservative reformers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Riginslinger Date: 17 Aug 07 - 06:04 PM '"We were founded as a reformist party," he said in our conversation this week, "not to be against something, but to help the little guy get ahead."' That might have been how they were founded, but since Reagan they've been about just the opposite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop) Date: 18 Aug 07 - 12:33 AM It happened well before Reagan. Theodore Roosevelt was the last progressive Republican president. When his term was up, he personally chose William Howard Taft as his successor, and Taft got elected. To Roosevelt's surprise, horror, and disgust, he saw Taft turn the Republican Party conservative—into the party of business and privilege. This was when an angry Roosevelt formed the Progressive Party (the "Bull Moose Party"), to run against, and hopefully depose, the Republican Party. But Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic Party candidate, won. The Republican Party has been the party of corporations, wealth, and privilege ever since. Three Republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover) followed Wilson. Hello, Great Depression! Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal" put curbs on predatory corporations and controls on stock market hanky-panky, and pushed through other measures that did a great deal to make sure that the small businessman and the working stiff got a bit more of an even break. The Republicans have been trying to undo what FDR accomplished ever since. Reagan was just a bit more successful at this than most of the other Republican presidents. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Aug 07 - 08:00 AM Re: the Gerson article--"health savings accounts"--it seems obvious this is of interest primarily to people for whom tax considerations are of great importance--i.e. not to a lot of people closer to the bottom of the economic pile--who really need help with medical expenses. Somehow, with few exceptions, Rove's "reforms" tended to benefit the people on top. Not exactly Lincoln. Or even TR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: Bobert Date: 18 Aug 07 - 08:38 AM I read the Michael Gerson op-ed piece in the Post this week that bb posted above and there are some good points in it... But what I find so incongruent is Rove's thoughts on attracting minorites to the party... I'm not sure how he thought he could pull that off with a constant PR barage aimed at keeping his angry white base riled up??? No, this is one reason why he failed... Polls tell us that the American people are fed up with "politics" and, sure, it can be argued that the Dems have had their hand in this but in the big scheme of things I think the American people are just fed up with the Rove style of politics... I mean, can't there be some level of civility witout trying tp paint folks you don't agree with as unpatriotic??? That was the beginning of the end for Rove and Bush... People saw thru this crap as being just that: crap!!! And, yeah, if Rove's goal was to create this Republican dynesty for decades to come, he failed miserable and has left the Republican Party worse off than it has been in a long, long time... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,Guest AG Date: 18 Aug 07 - 10:15 AM What happened with everyone saying (a couple years ago)it was only a matter of time before Rove was in prison. Remember, 'bubert'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Karl Rove ....is out the door! From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop) Date: 18 Aug 07 - 01:22 PM Well, Guest AG, it isn't over 'til it's over, and it ain't over yet. Don Firth |
