BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain

Subject: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 08:24 PM

The following diatribe from the New York Times is both humorous and germane:

Cowboys Are My Weakness
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By LARRY DAVID
Published: January 1, 2006
SOMEBODY had to write this, and it might as well be me. I haven't seen "Brokeback Mountain," nor do I have any intention of seeing it. In fact, cowboys would have to lasso me, drag me into the theater and tie me to the seat, and even then I would make every effort to close my eyes and cover my ears.

And I love gay people. Hey, I've got gay acquaintances. Good acquaintances, who know they can call me anytime if they had my phone number. I'm for gay marriage, gay divorce, gay this and gay that. I just don't want to watch two straight men, alone on the prairie, fall in love and kiss and hug and hold hands and whatnot. That's all.

Is that so terrible? Does that mean I'm homophobic? And if I am, well, then that's too bad. Because you can call me any name you want, but I'm still not going to that movie.

To my surprise, I have some straight friends who've not only seen the movie but liked it. "One of the best love stories ever," one gushed. Another went on, "Oh, my God, you completely forget that it's two men. You in particular will love it."

"Why me?"

"You just will, trust me."

But I don't trust him. If two cowboys, male icons who are 100 percent all-man, can succumb, what chance to do I have, half- to a quarter of a man, depending on whom I'm with at the time? I'm a very susceptible person, easily influenced, a natural-born follower with no sales-resistance. When I walk into a store, clerks wrestle one another trying to get to me first. My wife won't let me watch infomercials because of all the junk I've ordered that's now piled up in the garage. My medicine cabinet is filled with vitamins and bald cures.

So who's to say I won't become enamored with the whole gay business? Let's face it, there is some appeal there. I know I've always gotten along great with men. I never once paced in my room rehearsing what to say before asking a guy if he wanted to go to the movies. And I generally don't pay for men, which of course is their most appealing attribute.

And gay guys always seem like they're having a great time. At the Christmas party I went to, they were the only ones who sang. Boy that looked like fun. I would love to sing, but this weighty, self-conscious heterosexuality I'm saddled with won't permit it.

I just know if I saw that movie, the voice inside my head that delights in torturing me would have a field day. "You like those cowboys, don't you? They're kind of cute. Go ahead, admit it, they're cute. You can't fool me, gay man. Go ahead, stop fighting it. You're gay! You're gay!"

Not that there's anything wrong with it. ...

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A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 08:28 PM

Again ? Do we have to ?

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 08:40 PM

they sing, they wear wrist watches, sit with their legs crossed, they're the ones you can spot having a good time while this poor journalist shrinking violet that he is, is satnding with his back to the wall and worrying about his manhood...........

yeh i think I'd worry if I were him......daft pillock!

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 08:47 PM

Good article, Amos. Hard to believe anyone would miss the irony, but there ya go.

It's funny how the trappings of stereotypes seem, in some ways, more significant that the attribute they're supposed to be attached to. Somebody just needs to tell Mr David that straight men sing, too. Just not show tunes. Or just not show tunes while dressed up like Judy Garland. Not more than once a month anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 09:53 PM

So Martin Gibson is really Larry David!

NOW it all makes sense!

If you've ever seen that pathetic twit's HBO show "Curb Your Enthusiasm", you know what I mean. He doesn't play guitar worth a shit, either.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:10 PM

I'm waiting for 'Munich' to arrive at the theatres here.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:17 PM

I don't care one way or another. I'm not going to see the film, but then the last movie I went to was Harry Potter 2. It's not homophobia, it's apathy.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Pinky
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:01 AM

It should have been named bareback mountain.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 01:15 AM

pig******s

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 01:16 AM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 06:50 AM

I think in the current climate, irony is somewhat misplaced.

Which side are you on? is rather more to the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,G
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 01:05 PM

Why are they still calling them "Cowboys"? Cowboys herd cattle, not sheep.

On 2nd thought, Amos saw the movie and still says "Cowboys" and the opening article is from the NY Times. Back to that word 'Perception'.

That spinning sound you hear is John Wayne and a few others.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 01:50 PM

They are cowboys. They rope, ride, occasionally ride broncs, round up cattle, and so on. It is just one summer that they happen to take on a sheep-herding job, which they do from horseback.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 02:04 PM

Talk about perception, Guest/G. There was no John Wayne; thus, there is no grave in which he lies. As Marion Morrison said, even he would like to be John Wayne.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Mudlark
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 02:16 AM

Amos, thanks for the laugh. After 2 days w/o power, water or phone, and my beautiful 100 yr old tamarisks uprooted and lying athwart the old pottery gallery, I really needed it! Evidently Larry David's humor is not everyone's cup of tee-hee, but it works for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:03 PM

In response to various ill-informed remarks about "Brokeback Mountain" being a flop, the following was published in today's "Mercury News", San Jose CA:

"Brokeback" ropes 'em in

Gender and politics met at the 63rd annual Golden Globe Awards on Monday night, producing a festive -- and occasionally even fascinating -- evening that kept swirling around the idea that all our old notions of what it takes to be a movie's ``leading man'' may be changing.

``Brokeback Mountain'' -- the story of two cowboys in love that has been steadily building on critical raves and finding acceptance in the American heartland -- was named best dramatic picture, and won three other awards.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:42 PM

From what I saw in the paper the only two movies that are in the theaters now that have sold more tickets are "King Kong" and the Narnia movie.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:44 PM

MichaelR, you keep relating so well to the gays on Brokeback Mountain and I'll be just fine with Larry David.

He is one PC killer that Larry. Dennis Miller is OK, also.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: John O'L
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:51 PM

Hard men?

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:54 PM

No, men with hard-ons together.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: John O'L
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:56 PM

The very point I was trying to raise.

Yipee yi yo ti yay!

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:13 PM

It's hard to be good, but it's gotta be hard to be good.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: michaelr
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:36 PM

PC killers are good. (I dropped one on the Sharon thread and MG called me spineless for it.)

Annoying whiners like Larry David aren't. They guy is not a bit funny.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:07 AM

I saw Jay Leno interview one a them cowboys (can't remember which actor) t'other night. It IS a chick flick.

I won't even watch it when it comes on the TV. I mean, come ON, no dust covered hero with a six shooter that fires 3000 rpm and never runs out of ammo, nearly dead after the bad guys burn his farm, shoot his wife, rape his dog, and steal his horses, who heads them off at the last pass before Mexico and mercilessly guns them all down, except for the deranged leader, who he decides to kick the shit out of by hand rather than shoot after he loses his gun, and, then, rides off into the sunset?

Of course, buddy said if you take your girl to the movie and act sensitive to the love story, ya might get laid, so, I might considered it. Nah, I snore too loud.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: John O'L
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:04 AM

Smile when you say that, partner.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:45 AM

ga-new, your depiction of American westerns is somewhat out of date. The Ahnold type of movie is passe.

Jay Leno had Heath Ledger on last night. It was interesting. Ledger evidently recognized it for a good script and it appears that many people agree with him.

I so seldom go to a movie house I don't suppose I'll see this movie any time soon.

I think the book was written in the late 70s. I'm going to see if I can find it.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:49 AM

Munich is a much better movie.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:05 AM

You say passé, I say posse.

Then again... I saw "Forgiven", unfortunately. Hmmm... I just thought about somethin. Two lonely cowboys in the middle of nowhere, talkin about masturbation. Damn... shoulda seen it comin.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:40 PM

hahhahahah

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:51 PM

A bit gloomy and over solemn.

Yeah, I know life is pretty rough sometimes, but that's why there needs to be an upside as well, more especially when things are rough. As the saying goes "If you don't laugh you'd cry.

Priscilla, Queen of the Desert was much gayer in both senses. Without ignoring the brutal nature of prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 10:12 AM

I was amused by the similarity between MG's remarks up thread and the following from whoosy:

"
"I will submit to you this movie does not do big box office outside the big cities. It won't. They're not going to go see the gay cowboys in Montana. I'm sorry. They're not going to do it."
-- Bill O'Reilly on Brokeback Mountain, now in its eighth week in the top 10"


LOL! No, no, no Bill!! Ya gotta talk to people the way they are, not how you imagine them to be. You could go mad...oh...never mind.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:07 AM

Seems to me that about 60 % of what Bill says is crap. Am I the only one?

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 04:11 PM

I don't THEENK so!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:48 PM

This movie has done a lot of good for the homosexual agenda.

Sodomists everywhere are relating to it and praising it.

Of course men making love to each other because they can't help it is entertaining for some.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:59 PM

Munich is an excellent movie ... anyone here seen it?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 12:12 AM

I want to, but I will wait until the DVD comes out. I just hope the movie was made truthfully and showed the Arab terrorists for the scum that they were.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: number 6
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 12:16 AM

Don't worry it does MG ... also that sick game the Germans played with that fake hijacking .... letting those 3 scumbags free.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:07 AM

I think it has also done a deal of good for the heterosexual agenda, actually.

But I am sure Martin's proclamations, based on not having seen the movie, are much weightier than mine, although I did take the trouble to see it.

IS there a word for someone who reaches strongly held condemnatory conclusions based on very little data, but using assumptions and categorical judgements in their place? Mebbe "bigoted"?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 06:08 PM

Amos, what did it to for the heterosexual agenda?

Nothing. Zero.

You are shooting your mouth off with nothing to substantiate as usual.

You can say I am bigoted all you want, but you have family values to the left side of a fool, amos. Perhaps you are gay, amos. Perhaps you like to watch gay porn and enjoy it. Pretty sick on your part. Male to male sodomy is just oh so natural for you I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 07:03 PM

Your fantasies about me are not a reflection of or on me, Martin, and if they seem sick to you, it is because of your own divided -- not to say splintered into smithereens -- soul. If you really did not understand my remark, it reflects, again, not on the hollowness of my remark, which was well-formed and accurate enough for ordinary conversation. But never having seen the movie, and being unable to understand anything outside your smut-headed pigeonhole, you have a predictable, but pathetically uninformed, reaction. Again, this is your problem, not mine.

Perhaps I tolerate people a bit more than you do; but I promise you this is not a weakness on my part. Quite the contrary.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 09:27 PM

Haven't seen it-but my WIFE wants to see it for who-knows-why. Luckily we dont have any reaally decent movie theaters 'round here-the one multiplex we have is older before they put in the stadium seats and cushy things, so we don't "do" movies at the theater much. Anyways, I dunno that I wanna see it-not so much that it has an agenda, but I'm stubborn cause my wife is buggin' me about it. I'd probably rent it though as I hear the "sex" stuff is pretty limited and only like 40 seconds in the whole movie.

This kinda reminds me of all the protesting that went on when "Last Temptation of Christ" with Willem Dafoe came out. All these right-wing Falwell type fundamentalists picketed theaters sayin' this 'n that about a movie they didn't even see--and what they said was WRONG (as in inaccurate). And bein' a decent church-going type myself, I wanted to see what all the hubub was about-so the wife and I WENT! It actually was a rather well done movie-although it took a fair amount of liberties with the Gospel accounts, etc.--but it wasn't worth all that protesting; now I think some of this same kinda stuff is going on with Brokeback Mt.-and they probably all are thrilled about it.

So much for my excusis on negative publicity. I'm not much into "agendas" on either side of this fence. But getting back to this movie, as I understand it, it's more of a character study kinda deal than a "gay cowboy" movie. And I do tend to like Ang Lee's stuff--thought "Ice Storm" was really underrated, for instance. And "Crouching Tiger..." was off the wall with its cartoon-like violence. So-my bet is, as movies go, it's well-done. But if you have a problem with the cowboys/love thing--skip it.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:52 PM

I like when cowboys kiss pretty women or even their horse.

I don't need to see this character study the results in two men having anal sex, implied or actually shown.

Amos, there is so much controversy about this movie, I don't need to see it. The subject matter may be your cup of swill, it's not mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 12:00 AM

That's for sure, Martin. You have another cup of swill altogether to keep as your own. Pity you keep spilling it into threads.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 04:46 PM

Movies like this display America's hypocrisy. We'll pass every bit of idiotic anti-gay legislation any Christian idiot can think up with his/her tiny mind so that we don't become of a nation of disgusting butt-fucking fags corrupting the oh-so-impressionable youth of the nation but we can't wait to pile into the car and head down to the theatre so we can stare with prurience at two gay cowboys tonguing and groping each other.

Sickening. It's okay to be gay, folks, just so long as it is in a movie so all the fag-haters can sit in darkened theatres jerking off. My proof? The movie is supposedly huge in the red states.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

Let's recap: MG is bigoted against gays, bigoted against Arabs, and likes beastiality...Hmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 06 - 01:11 AM

I just saw it.

Its very, very sad; in fact its tragic.

Thats what happens when you live a lie.

Thats what happens when you marry the girl who becomes the mother of your children and then you divorce because you just couldn't make the marriage work no matter how much society pressures you to conform. Thats what happens when you aren't true to yourself.

I hope everyone sees this and realizes that gay-bashing is as bad as lynching. I hope everyone walks away knowing that when people have to live a lie because of people like Martin Gibson, souls are destroyed.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:20 PM

Too bad, Guest. Live your truth. Be true to yourself. Just don't hurt your partner too much when you pack some fudge. Blame me for your low self-esteem. It doesn't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 06:04 PM

As an aside, the radio potty-mouth Howard Stern himself recently reported that he went to see this movie and was deeply moved by it. I thought it might be germane to this thread since he and Martin share so many talents in common.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 08:46 PM

What a bunch of closet bigots! Not a single one of you had ANY empathy for the poor SHEEP that were exposed to this tragic relationship, and who were neglected as a consequence.

If I actually went to this movie I'm sure I'd be deeply moved.

Baaaa! Hum bug!
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Return to Brokeback Mountain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 01:15 AM

Always has his finger on that hot button, does that troglodyte MG.