BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 07:26 PM

Oooops. "Rendon Group".

Guest:

Yes Kerry went to Vietnam with a camera and a JFK complex. There he claimed purple hearts dishonestly so he could get the hell back home, out of harms way and try to use them to build his career. A cheap trick. Did he ever release all of his military records?

Ooooooohhhh. A "Swift Boat" sucker, eh? Nice little smear job there, but it just goes to show the character of the more partisan Dubya supporters. Care to show any evidence that any of Kerry's three Purple Hearts were not deserved? I mean, real evidence, not "Swift Boat Veterans Against The Truth" (as Bill O'Reilly called them in a moment of surprising candour) crap. Then you have to deal with Kerry's Silver and Bronze Stars, which actually are quite a bit more prestigious than Purple Hearts. Guess you think Kerry faked those as well, eh?

Bush was a fighter pilot and his unit could have been called up to go to Vietnam but it did not.

Which is why Dubya checked "will not go" on his form?

His daddy didn't pull any strings...

Oh, yeah, they did. The "Champagne Unit". And Blount (IIRC?) confirmed this.

... and the Democrats popaganda campaingn to prove he was a deserter fell on it's ass when it was revealed that the document was forged.

Which records? The ones that show Dubya actually in Alabama? The ones that show his whereabouts for half a year?

Should he have retrained to land a S-3B Viking on an aircraft carrier to satisfy a few crybabies or is he too busy?

No, but he shouldn't have pretended to be a "flyboy" (particularly since he had his flight certificate revoked for failing to obey an order to take a flight physical), and shouldn't have made the USS Abraham Lincoln steam off shore for half a day so that he could take his little "photo-op" flight to it (and also have his flacks insist that the carrier was too far off shore for a helicopter to reach and that was why he had to use the Viking ... a lie when the photo crews went out on helicopters and he had the carrier stay away from port just so he wouldn't have to simply walk up the gangplank to get on....). The whole thing was a disgusting PR job, and you should be ashamed that Dubya did any such thing.

The useless "Wes Ginny Slide Rule" couldn't calquelate how many Thermonuclear devices (bombs) could be made from the 1.77 metric tons of partially enriched uranium found in Iraq.

Oh, I can. And without a slide rule. None. Even if they had the capacity to enrich it to HEU (which they didn't), not enough for mre than maybe 2-3 fission bombs (assuming no loss and 90+% efficiency in separation, which is quite difficult, if not impossible, particularly for novices at such). But you said "thermonuclear". That's quite a bit more tricky, and requires much more (and different) material than a couple dozen kilos of HEU....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 07:29 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 03:35 PM

Do you know why rattlesnakes will not bite Peace?"

Dear Guest: Fuck you, thirty-two ways from Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 07:31 PM

"If you go to the police with forged documents, What happens?"

Phone it in, dipshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 02:12 AM

Here's some "must reading" for Crowbar and his ilk (and that includes OldGuy, Bearded Bruce, and Teribus).

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:32 AM

Hello. Is this the Police?

OK. I got some forged documents here that say Bush Was AWOL and missed a physical exam.

Hello. Hello. Is anybody there?

Dang! Let me try CBS

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:42 AM

Hello. Is this the police?

OK. I got some documents here that may contain evidence related to your investigation. The lady who typed them says they aren't the ones she typed, but the information in them is absolutley accurate.

You'll be right over then?

Thanks officer, I'll have donuts and coffee.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 11:54 AM

Judge I have some documents here that I would like to enter into evidence.

Yes they are forged. Yes signatures were forged on them, the dates are inaccurate, the termonology is wrong, they have been artificially aged in an effort to make them appear genuine but the "Base Truth" is correct according to the 86 year old secretary that says she did not type them 33 years ago.

But Your Honor we do not have originals, only forgeries.

Ok Your honor, Instead of trying to follow the legal path, I will try to "leak" them through CBS.

Yes, CBS can stir up a big stink over them just before the election without having to prove they are genuine and make money in the process. They need the money too because their ratings are falling for some unknown reason and this would give them a boost.

Thank You Your Honor.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 12:44 PM

Well, you're either gonna accept the 86-year old's assertions or you ain't; you can't cherry pick half of them as good evidence and then invalidate the witness as regards the other half.

Which do you want?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 06:31 PM

>>The straight answer as to why they were forged: unknown.<<

Perhaps, but I think the answer is obvious. The best way to kill the controversy was to put out the truth in fudged docs and get some idiot to take the bait and then pull the rug out from under him. Dan Rather in this case. Once that happened, America immediately tired of the controversy and refused to entertain it anymore. They were hellbent of Bush and were looking for ANYTHING that would enable them to forget his service record or lack thereof. It quickly became old news and no one wanted to hear about it anymore.

I talked to so many people who referred to "those forged documents" when they were never proven to be forged--they were, of course--but it was never proven.

It was the perfect way to kill the controversy and reassure the public that it was voting for the right guy. It has Karl Rove written all over it.

But Bush never answered the charges and the controversy will rise again once the stupid public remembers it never got an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 07:42 PM

Mr Bush released all of his records. Mr Kerry did not. Mr Dean has his under guard.

Which one is the most honest?

Paranoia will destroy ya
Written by Jay Kay, Toby Smith, Stuart Zender and Derrick McKenzie

You don't need your name in bright lights
You're a rock star
And some thin foil with a glass pipe
Is your guitar, now yes it is
Little Angela suffers delusions
From these high times
She's been cleaning up,
Since she was fourteen
On the main line
And her hunky funky junky,
Of a boyfriend
Got her on late nights
With her skirt tight
Woah she's a wild thing, letting it all swing
God bless our high times

Don't you know that last night
Turned to daylight
And a minute became a day
Last night
All my troubles
Well they seemed so, so far away
Searching my reflection
For a glimpse of, an other me
I've got to get away from these high times
All these high high times
Cause these hight times
are killing me

Now high times go on
and on and on
High Times rock your mind yeah

This twisted crystal kingdom
Where you live your nine lives
And your head spins
With purple cyclones made of dexadrine
And when the phone rings
You think bad things
Well these are high high
High high times yeah
In any backstreet when you take a hot seat
Make sure you check your flight times
Oh now mama


Don't you know that last night
Turned to daylight
And a minute became a day
Last night
All my troubles
Well they seemed so, so far away
Searching my reflection
For a glimpse of, an other me
I've got to get away from these high times
All these high high times
Cause these hight times
are killing me

Now drop it this time

Paranoia will destroy ya
Paranoia will destroy ya
Paranoia will destroy ya
Paranoia
Paranoia

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:32 PM

"Mr Bush released all of his records."

Bullshit. There is no way you can know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:53 PM

Both pictures are unaltered.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/marhity.jpg

the young marines program is now open to all public school children.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Arne
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 01:52 PM

Guest:

"Mr Bush released all of his records."

Then you agree that "all [the] records" demonstrate conclusively that Dubya was AWOL for half a year, and never put in his required service. Right??? Because "all of his records" shows that there's no evidence of him putting in any time in Alabama, or in Texas even, for at least a six month period.

Tell you what: Ask Dubya someday if he's released all his criminal records. You know, like any judicial proceedings records and any communitty service stuff....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 02:04 PM

Who are you going to believe?
Quick boat veteran ads
Karl Rove
or all of W's National Guard buddies who have collective amnesia.

The author who wrote about this segment of GWB's life is now dead by suicide. But how can you believe someone who commits suicide?

Maybe you should just believe George.
You'll live longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 04:41 PM

>>Mr Bush released all of his records.<<

But he refuses to answer questions about those records. He could release every possible record there is on him but if he refuses to further discuss, he might as well have not released a single one. The result is the same--many questions, no attempt at an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 09:23 PM

Did Kerry release all his records? Did anybody ask Kerry about his records and did he Answer?

Did Dean release all his records? Did anybody ask Dean about his records and did he Answer?

http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx

What do you really know about George W. Bush's time in the Air National Guard?
That he didn't show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president's years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time — to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush "deserted" (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went "AWOL" (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren't unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

"In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots," Campenni says. "The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In '72 or '73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem."

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

During his service, Bush received high marks as a pilot.

A 1970 evaluation said Bush "clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot" and was "a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership."

A 1971 evaluation called Bush "an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who "continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further." And a 1972 evaluation called Bush "an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer."

Now, it is only natural that news reports questioning Bush's service — in The Boston Globe and The New York Times, on CBS and in other outlets — would come out now. Democrats are spitting mad over attacks on John Kerry's record by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

And, as it is with Kerry, it's reasonable to look at a candidate's entire record, including his military service — or lack of it. Voters are perfectly able to decide whether it's important or not in November.

The Kerry camp blames Bush for the Swift boat veterans' attack, but anyone who has spent much time talking to the Swifties gets the sense that they are doing it entirely for their own reasons.

And it should be noted in passing that Kerry has personally questioned Bush's service, while Bush has not personally questioned Kerry's.

In April — before the Swift boat veterans had said a word — Kerry said Bush "has yet to explain to America whether or not, and tell the truth, about whether he showed up for duty." Earlier, Kerry said, "Just because you get an honorable discharge does not, in fact, answer that question."

Now, after the Swift boat episode, the spotlight has returned to Bush.

That's fine. We should know as much as we can.

And perhaps someday Kerry will release more of his military records as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 09:28 PM

GUEST: Abe Lincoln said it so aptly, so I will paraphrase him rather than say what I'd like to: You can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 09:35 PM

Oh, I get it, Kerry, who went to Nam and has never been accused of being AWOL is the reason that Bush went AWOL???

Is that your final answer, Congressman?

You are so partisan, GUEST, that if George Bush told you to kill yer own mother, you'd do it... Real independent thinker we got here, folks...

Google up "Brownshirt", GUEST...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 09:58 PM

Correction. Kerry did eventually relaease his records.

Now where is the proof that Bush went AWOL?

Are we going to go through this fake documents must be proven fake or they are not fake shit again?

Are people innocent until proven gulity ot not. If you know everything surely you can tell us that one item?

Never mind suit your self. I am sure you are the only one that suits you. Just keep your duct tape and plastic sheeting handy.

And never let that candle in your Kerry shrine blow out.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,AR292
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 10:07 PM

>>Did Kerry release all his records? Did anybody ask Kerry about his records and did he Answer?

Did Dean release all his records? Did anybody ask Dean about his records and did he Answer?<<

My questions to Bush:

"Did you serve your full enlistment?"

Answer: No. Kerry, yes. Dean, yes.

"Did you get into legal trouble at some point that interfered with your duties?"

No answer. Kerry, no. Dean, no.

"Are there unaccountable gaps in your service record?"

No answer. Kerry, no. Dean, no.

"Did you flunk out of your military occupation?"

Yes. Kerry, no. Dean, no.

"Do men you served with in the past show up to greet you when you go to speak somewhere?"

No. Kerry, yes. Dean, unknown to me.

"Did you, in fact, tell people you served somewhere that you did not?"

Yes. Kerry, no. Dean, no.

"Have you been challenged to prove the authenticity of your claims by the very men who would have served alongside you?"

Yes. Kerry, no. Dean, no.

"Did you joing the Guard to get out of the Vietnam draft?"

Yes (by his own admission, btw). Kerry, no. Dean, no.

That's all I need. No more questions. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 10:15 PM

Well, well, well, GUEST...

I'm sure you were really happy when the Swift Boat Vets ambused Kerry.... Problem is that none of them were there... Kerry's boat mates were but they didn't have the corporate dough to go up against the big-bad-weren't-even-there-Swift-boat-Bushites....

Yeah, you can talk all you want about innocent yuntil proven guilty but guess what, pal???

Give up???

Good, you should... There wasn't one day that John Kerry was in nam that he couldn't have been killed... Do you deny that???

No, I guess you can't...

Bush never went to Nam... And there'sa lot of evidence that he didn't complete his National Guard contract either... Now, yeah, if yer some shmo on the streets of ME Washington, DC, like who really careas all that much... But Bush ain't some shmo on the streets and it's only fair that the American people know the true charater of a man who is asking these folks to send their kids into war...

Like I said, Google up "browshirts", GUEST, for you might learn something about yourself....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 11:13 PM

Did AR292 ever pick his nose?
Did he join an anti-war group that "invented" american atrocities?
Was his Anti-war speach broadcast in prison camps to "break" American prisoners?
Did he meet in secret with the enemy and violate the Constitution and UCMJ?
Is he a Nam Vet that was maligned by John Kerry?

I never mentioned swift boats.

You can talk all you want but you did not answer about innocent until proven guilty.

What is the death rate for fighter interceptor pilots?

Bobert you have already got it your way but if you want some more.
(This is interesting because it originally came from Mudville that Bobert is allways talking about) Keep in mind that Kerry "fought" 4 months, 1/3 of the average tour of duty of 12 months:

http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2004/08/bush_and_the_f1.html

The F-102 claimed the lives of many pilots, including a number stationed at Ellington during Bush's tenure. Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots.

Now, doing some very preliminary calculations, total US deaths in Vietnam were of the order of 50,000 out of a total of 2.6 million who served, or roughly 2%. (1/3=.66%)
OK, how many pilots were trained to fly the F-102? 875 planes entered service, and from other figures in the same article we can see it was two years of training and three years of flying for a five year enlistment period (that's assuming that everyone did the minimum Air National Guard sign up, not career military. No draftees were ever taught to fly.). OK, and the plane was around from 1956 to 1974. OK, that's an 18 year period and three years active service each pilot gives us 5,250 pilots trained on that bird. (This is a very rough figure. Very rough indeed. Anyone who wants to help please do so. I'm assuming only one pilot per bird at a time, which may or may not be true. I'm also assuming all birds in service for the entire span which is absurdly untrue, but one will underestimate the number of pilots, the other will overestimate. If anyone actually knows the exact number trained to fly the F-102 let me know and I can change the calculation.)
So, 5,250 pilots and 70 deaths means a death rate of: 1.3%.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 11:23 PM

So how amny days did Bush fight in Nam, GUEST???

a. None

b. None

C. None

d. All of the above

Hey, don't hurt yer head too much on this quiz... Oh, but it is open book so if you ahve some oher evidence you'd like to but forward, feel free...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM

As regards whether or not there is a prooganda campaign underway to raise support for the war, well doh. Of course there is.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 12:06 AM

>>>OK, how many pilots were trained to fly the F-102? 875 planes entered service, and from other figures in the same article we can see it was two years of training and three years of flying for a five year enlistment period (that's assuming that everyone did the minimum Air National Guard sign up, not career military. No draftees were ever taught to fly.). OK, and the plane was around from 1956 to 1974. OK, that's an 18 year period and three years active service each pilot gives us 5,250 pilots trained on that bird. (This is a very rough figure. Very rough indeed. Anyone who wants to help please do so. I'm assuming only one pilot per bird at a time, which may or may not be true. I'm also assuming all birds in service for the entire span which is absurdly untrue, but one will underestimate the number of pilots, the other will overestimate. If anyone actually knows the exact number trained to fly the F-102 let me know and I can change the calculation.)
So, 5,250 pilots and 70 deaths means a death rate of: 1.3%.<<<

This is quite an amusing exercise in futility. I guess you're saying that flying an F-102 was as dangerous and life-threatening to Bush as fighting in Vietnam was to Kerry or McCain. I have to hand it to you--you take utter absurdity to a whole new level. I guess I should get a purple heart every time I get behind the wheel--do you have any idea of how many fatal accidents there out there on the roads every single day??? How do I do it??

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 12:31 AM

Keep trying and some day you will figure it out.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.

If you got different numbers let's hear them instead of a rant.

Bobert: How many days did Clinton fight in 'Nam?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 09:27 AM

Oh, right. Forgot. It's all Clinton's fault.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,G
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:24 AM

Com'n on Tia, how could it be Clintons' fault. Rather difficult to blame a person that did very little while in office.

I really have a problem with some of the posts here (I know, stay out!)

We see so much hateful language, particulary with a couple posters who resort to that vein when they can't come up with opposing facts. With one person, it is just simple arrogance.

Are you incapable of stating your case using logic, facts and respectful debate? Or are you simply unwilling?

Rather difficult for me to decide which is worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:24 AM

Clinton is a Canadian. I don't think he fought in Vietnam.

Hey, Hammond, were you in Vietnam?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: TIA
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:33 AM

Guest, G asked:

"Are you incapable of stating your case using logic, facts and respectful debate? Or are you simply unwilling?"

Is this a question specifically for me, or more rhetorical in nature?

Not insulted, just curious.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: TIA
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:36 AM

to Guest at 12:31:

It's a metter of consistency and integrity. Clinton opposed that war and didn't fight it. Bush supported that war (and supports this one), and hasn't personally fought anywhere -- did his level best to avoid it actually.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:36 AM

GUEST never opens his mouth without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge (thank you Mr Reed).

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 05:19 PM

Peace's best efforts to say something meaningfiulll and pertinent amount to a brain fart.

Now you can tell me to fuck myself or something equally intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 07:06 PM

Consider it done.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 08:05 PM

Ahhhhh, GUEST, apparently you haven't been around here too long... Screw Clinton!!! He was the best Republican since Nixon... I wouldn't vote for him fir dog catcher though looking at Monike and Hillary he's certainly able to catch 'um...

So don't evn put me in that boat...

I asked you how many days yer boy, Bush, spent putting his live on the line in Nam. Want me to repeat the choices? Okay, here they are

1. None

2. None

3. None

4. All of the above

Now I ain't got no use for Kerry either but he went to Nam at a trime when yer boy went AWOL...

You can try to turn that back on me but in yer heart, should you have one, you know what I'm pointing out here is true... Unless you are pathological and in that case, my apologies... Go take yer meds...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 08:31 PM

Bobert, that GUEST has been around for over a year and a half. It's Old Guy.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 08:46 PM

Danged, Bruce.... Hey, I'm serious when I say I can't tell these danged GUEST's apart... All they do is lob their crap from the safety of GUESTdom... O-Guy, Woody, guest, A??? Yeah, yer right... They're prolly all that same though GUEST, O-Guy did say some nice things about me... Okay, not real nice... but nice....

Seems that GUEST, A wouldn't have done that... That's why he ot she is GUEST, A.... An' we know what the A is for... Woody is also a real jerk, Bruce... Is he O-Guy, too... GUEST, guest, however, really took the cake when it came to being a jerk... Was that O-Guy, too??? Yeah, prolly was...

Danged, I can be so gullable.... You know, thinking that these is differenter folks... But if all these folks is nuthin' but O-Guy then I'z real disappointed... I thought I might have been opening up O-Guy's firmly locked brain

I'm depressed now...

Sniff...

B...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 08:53 PM

I got no flippin' use fer guests at all unlest they bring beer, smokes, or weed. OR somethin' like that. Or unlest they are females. That's a hole different BALL game! Ha! Ha! Know'm sayin'?

Blobert, man, you got to get yerself a dickshionary or a theserious or somthing. I can't flippin' hardly make out what the flip you are talkin' about half the time! the only good reasion to be "pathological" is so's you can find yer way back outta the woods if you get lost, eh? Any fool knows that.

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 08:55 PM

They let you out again, BDinBR?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 09:41 PM

Google up usefull idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 09:50 PM

Hey, listen Blind-ster... I don't need no dictionary to find my way home.... That's whad maps is fir, son... Dictinarays is good for tryin' to figgurate what the heck LH is talkin' 'bout half 'er so most of the time... No, what you need when you is blinded drunked an' BR'd you need a good map and not too much uphill stuff... You know what I mean, here, blindster... Hills is okay going down 'um 'cause if thats where yer headed yer gonna get there by morning but if you gotta go uphill then you gotta drunk issue... I hate drunk issues... You know, like standing up???

And whilst we are on the subjexct of drunkness, hey, yer spellin' sucks big time... No, don't take it personly 'er nuthin' but maybe you is a Rhoades scolar when yer sober but when yer drunkened yer splin' really stinks up the joint... But nobody is perfect 'cept me and CarolC an' I ain't too sure 'bout me at all...

Reglards,

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,G
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:23 PM

Bobert, It would appear that it is time to clean the mold from your stash box.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 10:51 PM

>>>GUEST: Abe Lincoln said it so aptly, so I will paraphrase him rather than say what I'd like to: You can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know.<<<

I prefer Graucho Marx's, "You have the mind of a 4-year-old and I'll bet he was glad to be rid of it."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,not A, B or G
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 11:16 PM

Bobert:

Get out that Wes Ginny silde rool, clean all he coon guts off of it and refine my claqlations about Bush's chances of getin' kilt compared to Kerry's chances.

Now neither of them was kilt but I guess because Kerry didn't get kilt in 'NAM in his 4 month stint (1/3rd of the usual) carries more waight that the fact that GWB didn't get kilt in his 5 1/2 years as a fighter interceptor pilot.

I figger Bush's chances of gettin' kilt were about twice a high as Kerry's but that don't mean anything to you cause he was in Texas and getting killed in Texas is no where near as bad as gettin' kilt in Texas.

Now to get more specific, how many days did Kerry put his life on the line flying a fighter interceptor?

Kerry spent 1/3rd of the average tour of duty including the ones that hate him for joining the group that dreamed up propaganda about them.

Was Kerry in any danger when he went to France to meet the enemy in voilation of the UCMJ?

Did Bush meet with the enemy? Did Bush join an a subversive group?

"On the second day of the conference, Pitkin was surrounded by a group of the event's leaders, who said they needed more witnesses and wanted him to speak. Pitkin protested that he didn't have anything to say. Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't, and the group's mood turned menacing. One of the other leaders leaned in and whispered, "It's a long walk back to Baltimore." Pitkin finally agreed to "testify." The Winter Soldier leaders told Pitkin exactly what they wanted -– stories about rape, brutality, shooting prisoners, and racism. Kerry assured him that "the American people will be grateful for what you have to say."
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 12 Jan 06 - 01:16 PM

>>GWB didn't get kilt in his 5 1/2 years as a fighter interceptor pilot<<

He didn't serve 5 1/2 years as a pilot. He pretty much stopped flying in '72.   At best, he was true fighter pilot for about 2 years. He was certified combat ready in 1970 but was under review for his bad simulator performances in '72 and was downgraded to a training craft and no longer allowed to fly an F-102. By '73, Bush had stopped flying altogether because he was grounded--a status he carried until the end of his enlistment.

As for his 5 1/2 years in the Guard, nice of you to gloss over the fact that he never fulfilled his 6 year obligation. Supposedly he was let go early so he could attend business school but you do NOT get cut loose early for reasons as that. You are only cut loose early due to hardship, disability or bad performance. I think we can easily see why Bush was let go. If he was any good, he'd have been retained for as long as the ANG could legally do so.

If you're going to dispute this, you need to register your complaint with the White House because my data was taken from the records they themselves released to the public (I NEVER quote anything from the Killian docs so please don't start with that).

As for your bizarre attempts at arranging a wimp contest between Bush and Kerry despite the clear evidence of which one punked out, I don't know what to make of it other than to conclude that you are incapable of finding any fault with Bush whatsoever no matter what he does or doesn't do. It's old, it's boring, it's pointless and you need to give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jan 06 - 01:29 PM

"Google up usefull idiots."

Spelled your way or correctly?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 06 - 09:43 PM

You, above all, should know how to spell it.

I Googled it up for ya and here's what I got:

Comments:
you are idiot

by peace, Dec 18 2005 08:54 AM
because you dont know shit abut the islamicextrims the dont care if you are jew or cris you are on there way .and about us dont worry, we will sorvive

You are a real chip off of the old Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 12 Jan 06 - 10:40 PM

You've been whupped peace. Take your stuff over to the farting in public thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Jan 06 - 11:03 PM

Sounds like your kind of thread, Old Guy--wonder how you know so much about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jan 06 - 11:47 PM

My jaw is hanging down. You two are off-world. I mean, look -- you have this erudite and articulate guy, who uses a handle on an internet forum. And you Google some phrase and find some column about which someone who can't even use a shift key and who talks like a retarded fifth-grader, and you two...this is too much ... decide this must be the same guy? Because he uses the same common household word? How blind can you get?

The mind boggles that your ability to see similarities and differences is so completely buried.
Are you so full of bile and anger that ANY excuse to condemn will do? Are you cross-eyed with hatred to the point where you are trying to lash out at shadows in your nightmarish world?

Get a life.

A