BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 03 Apr 26 - 09:07 AM

Sir Keir must ignore Big T and is on correct course

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 26 - 09:56 AM

Agreed, Ray.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Apr 26 - 06:15 AM

meanwhile Iranian and US servicemen continue to die

Big T continues to bury his head in the dirt

He started this unnecessarily and should apologise and realise that these are people of another country and not to be fobbed off

and US citizens are being robbed of essential care ~ who would be US citizen now?

Ry

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 26 - 10:38 AM

We had planned a trip to the US this year - a few days in NYC (our first-ever visit to NYC) where I have an old friend, formerly a colleague in the UK, followed by Houston TX looking up old colleagues from my time working for a Houston-based petrochemical company, and looking forward to visits to the Johnson Space Centre (second visit for me, first for Mrs B), Kemah, and Galveston TX.

There’s no way in hell we will set foot in Trumpistan, or spend a single cent there. Plans cancelled, we’re going to La Belle France instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 09 Apr 26 - 02:29 AM

US without Big T could be a better country ~ Leadership is totally lost currently

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 11 Apr 26 - 03:53 AM

So realisation that UK has been feathering the nests of the wealthy who have been paying too little tax and benefitting from the likes of share dividends when indeed and dare I say it Big T has asserted we have relied upon US force of arms for years

So Russian having a picnic off Norway and a look at cabling has got us realising we need to strengthen armed force 5 years ago!

Yes money needed from the wealthy NOW ~ leave the poor alone!!

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 13 Apr 26 - 02:31 AM

So just because HM Govt, having lost the proscribed Action has appealed the decision what right do the police have to continue to arrest protesters?

Does this not become wrongful arrest?

If Bailiffs knock on you door looking for arrears of debts and you say I have appealed this ~ would the Bailiffs say righto? not on your nellie!

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Apr 26 - 11:44 AM

Three comments on an ElReg article:

>> Reform is full of liars and hot air salesmen.

> Can we use that hot air to drive a turbine?

No, it's low-grade heat, and highly toxic.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 01:32 AM

Yes it is important to realise that UK needs to improve its armed forces capabilities ~ let go to pot during Tory Government

Lord Robertson to speak on this issue(not seen yet)

Of course arms manufacture will see employment increase and GDP rise

UK is not a warring Nation and UK must be careful as to who WE the people vote for in the future!

Come on Sir Keir ~ on the right track

More taxes from the rich, please

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 02:40 AM

why does the uk need to improve its armed forces capabilities? IMO it does not

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 09:10 AM

1 Trump will not support EU, and Nato ~ maintains lack of EU investment in defence is due to dependence on US armed force strength

2 Russia has been sniffing round Arctic, probably due to Big T's interest in taking Greenland

3 Threat of Russia wanting to interfere with cabling and other threats of invasion to UK ~ Scotland to Cornwall etc

Big T has stirred a hornets nest in the Middle East ~ and Far East, China too we needs to be alert and not shown as being a push over

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 11:20 AM

This sort of situation is not unknown in history:

Isaiah 36

6 Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 12:50 PM

Plan from other parties is to deny welfare benefits to the poor and those with children (who are struggling to make ends meet) to invest in armament manufacture ~ what a good idea (not)

The Overseas donations/investment budget has already been pinched (I think that was Hillary Benn's Ministerial job) UK is Hard up and money tight

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 01:10 PM

Water companies that have not been fulfilling their primary purposes, but have instead been paying out shareholder dividends and paying executives to much are now desperately short of money

As has been said fining companies was/is self defeating and water rate payers as usual are and have been paying ever increasing amounts

Fining is self defeating ~ only course is to bring to law and imprisonment and personal accountability must be followed

and now where does finance come from ~ well as usual the Govt/ taxes/ you ad me ~ this is hard and new financing arrangements are needed ~ would the existing shareholder do so? These shareholders are probably pension funds ~ maybe fixed interest shares or similar?

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Apr 26 - 01:44 PM

"only course is to bring to law and imprisonment"

Imprisonment? For what crime?

A major reason for privatising water was for the government to avoid the expense of the required investment. Government investment requires income raised from taxes.

Governments of whatever party will look to cut investment instead of raising taxes. No party is willing to be honest about the need to raise taxes. The vast majority of voters think that someone else should be paying more tax.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 15 Apr 26 - 01:44 AM

The directors have awarded themselves high salaries and bonuses falsely ~ the main purpose of the Companies is and was to treat sewage and provide clean drinking water and of course stop the leaks

The provision of finance who ever they are are looking for a return for their investment and my goodness they fell on a CASH COW of might proportion

The problem is blind eyes fell on the decades long FAILURES to achieve the principal purpose

"was to treat sewage and provide clean drinking water and of course stop the leaks" so WE now have a BIG job and still the need for investment finance could prove difficult ~ who pays ~ you know damn well THETAXPAYER ' but is that fair ~ no refer back to the company ~ hopefully not all Water companies are bankrupt

The way this has happened is imv a Crime and as said previous posts fining is stupid ~ charfes against the PVER paid CEOs

Nationalisation as I said before is a last resort at the moment as current budget has many pulls ~ we wallow in our own muck and destroy essential water ~ make the Water companies set up WORK properly with clean water paramount

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 26 - 03:05 AM

Investment in water infrastructure as well as investment in transport and other utilities should not come from taxes but from profits. Instead of paying shareholders billions in dividends, that money should go back into improving infrastructure. This snippet from Hansard -

"Since privatisation, £65.9 billion has been paid out in water company dividends. There was a 20% increase in executive pay last year, and Britain's privatised water and sewerage companies paid £1.4 billion in dividends in 2022, up from £540 million the previous year."

Had the water companies not been given away to their mates by Thatcher's government, that sum, along with excessive bonuses,could have been ploughed back into self investment. In theory of course;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 26 - 03:30 AM

good post Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 15 Apr 26 - 09:06 AM

O could not agree more Dave and Dick ~ the company was set up to work on water treatment and funded by Water rate payers on an ongoing basis employees and overheads etc should be coming out of rates mainly

The directors and managers should get only a decent salary I do not see why bonuses are payable and the measurement of aa going concern is measurable by water treatment, repairs to leaks and water quality

Ever increasing annual water rates is mystifying ~ who is overseeing these water companies success, and how measured?

Ray