BS: Using the other N-word

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:26 PM

"It certainly is a terrible thing when people destroy the environment - but I don't think it compares in any way to the intentional killing that took place in the Holocaust."

Mmmm. "The environment" doesn't just mean trees and animals, it means people, in their millions. The numbers who could be killed are likely to be a lot higher even than the Holocaust. True enough the Holocaust isn't the best analogy, and in fact gets in the way, because it concentrates attention on the differences rather than the parallels. Better to think in terms of the Irish Famine and scale it up across whole continents.

But in the failure to recognise and respond to a looming disaster, there seems to be a perfectly reasonable parallel that can be drawn between our governments and peoples today in relation to climate change, and back in the thirties in relation to the Nazis.
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"...if you don't want to be insulted all you have to do is keep your mouth shut." There's a certain incongruity between writing that sentence and asserting the right to use "Nazi" as a label in an argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 08:49 PM

I don't think anyone is actually comparing the impending environmental crisis with the Holocaust. They're comparing the "look the other way" attitudes that allowed the Holocaust to happen with similar attitudes which may well allow an environmental catastrophe to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 10:17 PM

Is anyone defending fascism here?

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 11:17 PM

I doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 05:24 AM

Oh go on! Hug a BNP member! After all, they're just links in the great chain of humanity......

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 01:24 PM

Odd that we haven't heard yet from "the Knights that say 'NEE!'"

"NEE! NEE! NEE!"

The other N word.

Subject: RE: BS: Using the other N-word
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 06:20 PM

Using the term "Nazi" to define a course of behavior doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
There are parellels with what happened in the 20's and early 30's in Germany that can be
found in the US. I believe that the Christian Right is engaging in a kind of "Naziism" which as a political philosophy can be defined as a "theocracy" in the loose sense of the word. Hitler was not an atheist and punished those who were. He insisted in some kind of "divine right" taking his position from his upbringing. He was not specifically but somehow associated with Catholicism and this was one reason he made a rapprochement with such as Pope Pius and clerics who remained during the Nazi occupation of Germany. He used priests to help him get war criminals out of Germany and to South America.

I believe that Upton Sinclair's definition of facism is more precise, however, than Naziism.
He said, "Fascism will come to the United States wrapped in the flag and the cross".

Frank Hamilton