BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???

Subject: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 09:48 PM

Well, looks as if the Rupert Murdock is about to make it to the US side of the pond and if Murdock's people get caught here, as they have in the UK, then FOX could take a major hit... Like loose its FCC license...

Tables seem to be turning away from the 30 year grip the right has had on our politics and our news sources...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 10:13 PM

Nope.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 12:03 AM

Lord?? Conrad Black is already in jail and can Rupert be far behind?
The higher an arsehole rises up the louder the smack when it falls!

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 01:20 PM

Conrad's just an arsehole? Kinda seems he's an EXTRA arsehole after he pissed off the US courts with his bullshit and got an EXTRA 13 months and an EXTRA $125,000 fine. Looks good on the smug suckhole... errr, arsehole... errr... His Arseholeship. Has he now got a "ship" in The House of Arseholes?

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Willie-O
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 05:58 PM

We can only hope! Too early to say if the truly appalling behaviour shown by NewsCorps UK-based arm can be proven in North America...where sadly their offenses against journalism are only apparent to those who don't like Fox's political slant.

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 05:58 PM

I wouldn't take any bets on it.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 06:36 PM

I hope not! What would Douggie do without his daily dose of fairytales, lies & bullshit?

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 07:07 PM

Nevermind the sniping. These threads are not about ye lads. Play nice or fook off eh? Don't take up the rest of OUR time with yer petty shite. Square off outside fer fook sake and leave the rest of us alone. Jaysus eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 08:20 PM

Go down? No.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 08:24 PM

Go down? It couldn't sink any lower than where it is now.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: autolycus
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 06:09 AM

Fox news tells lies, apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: autolycus
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 06:11 AM

fox lies

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: autolycus
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 06:11 AM

Oh, I can do a blue clicky. Whew.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 06:54 AM

···fox lies·····

No! Really? Incredible!!!

& can anyone tell me please, the Pope's religion and what bears do in woodland?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:08 AM

Sure he's a scoundrel, but he's OUR scoundrel. Eh, Willy O?

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:43 AM

Fox news tells lies, apparently.

Somebody needs to tell Doug.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 11:14 AM

Fox tell lies? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 11:22 AM

Opinion pieces in today's Guardian (left leaning): http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jul/15/usa-rupert-murdoch
And Telegraph (right leaning): http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100097079/the-911-phone-hacking-investigation-its-murdoch-and-fox-news-who-could-be

Livelylass

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Stu
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 11:34 AM

Seeing as Fox seems to be ignoring this whole scandal, it should hopefully be obvious to anyone with half a brain how shite it really is. Propaganda really, no more, no less.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:52 PM

I have half a brain and let me tell you, it's propaganda, no more, no less.

Let me also tell you that humo(u)r is taking a beating on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM

This is a one of the best things to come from the whole affair though.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:44 PM

Hey, one troll hacks in and everyone get's cranky... At least ya'll still have names... I don't give a flying fig about no trolls... I do care about Fox... I hope it goes down lower than a whales turd in the bottom of the ocean...

Really...

(That's not funny, Bonerdz...)

It isn't???

No matter... Funny or not, Trool or not... Fox sucks...

Bobert (w/o cookie)

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 07:22 AM

I've got half a brain and I think DrugCrazed's link was very humorous and it made me laugh and my belly wobbled like a bowl of jelly.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 08:29 AM

Am I not right in thinking that the Fox network is just that, a network? (A bit like ITV used to be over here in The UK.)

Lots of different broadcasters franchised to their programs whereas Fox News is cable so not subject to licensing in the same way.

So if I read it right, it would go down through advertising boycotting it rather than US government intervention. Politicians would drop Fox immediately if they felt association was bad for their image and Fox wasn't in a position to throw mud back.

Makes interesting reading. Far more than the rather harrowing and downright awful reading of what has been going on in their UK operations. I sincerely hope they haven't been using such tricks in The USA, as the families of those affected just don't need this.

Mind you, delighting in his downfall? isn't that the state of mind these media dues rely on in order to sell their rags anyway? I wouldn't take any enjoyment from it, despite having been on the receiving end of his "people." Enjoyment of this state of affairs is why the affair exists in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 08:57 AM

Fox is covering it now...
As a hacking scandal, and focusiing on "the global hacking problem",
completely disguising the fact that it was THEIR COMPANY that did the hacking!

Defend that Dougie.

watch it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qtC4gT-_Nj0#at=82

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 10:13 AM

Fox thinks that gang rape is a minor social deviance. They are scum as a station.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 11:28 AM

Will FOX go down?
"Nope"


Hey even Bachmann can sometimes be right for the wrong reasons.

There is too much money, property and Saudi money invested for FOX to disappear.

A week after I said it I have heard talking heads on MSNBC propose that the Koch Bros might be interested in buying FOX.


Personally I hope Soros becomes a silent owner.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 02:18 PM

Will Fox News go down? Nope.

Hope not. Just like I hope Rush and Glen stay up and running.

You can't know how the other side thinks until the other side tells you what they think.

Is it right that they hack into computers, steel information, and misquote? Nope and they should be called on it and charged when they do. But freedom of speech that isn't allow to go both ways is not freedom.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 09:04 PM

We have a very good friend visiting this weekend from NoVa who has one major flaw... He is a Foxite and thinks anyone who isn't is a socialist...

After biting my tongue a couple times I had to say to him, "Hey, we're friends and that's a good thing but we don't need to discuss politics so lets just leave it alone..."

I mean, we have enough in common (plants) to not spend a weekend in debate...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 10:30 PM

I wonder what it would really take to lose an FCC license.

Failure to pay the bribe perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 09:04 AM

The FCC is currently packed with Repub clowns so I wouldn't look to them to strip FOX...

Think it's going to take some arrests and convictions...

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 11:29 AM

Donuel is correct, follow the money. If and when the big advertisers decide to pull the plug, even the biggest media outlet can go down the plughole. And that happens when it becomes clear that enough of the public are really pissed-off.

That happened with the News of the World, because the facts about the hacking of murdered Millie Dowling came out, and turned too many people's stomachs. So if, for example, people come to believe that there is evidence that 9/11 victims and families had their phones hacked by FoxNews , I wouldn't give the organisation a snowball's chance in hell of surviving, at least without sacking their existing executives, and a bunch of familiar faces. At very least, that is...

It isn't down to politicians making decisions, they'll just jump on the bandwagon as fast as they can - to avoid being booked onto the tumbril.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:04 PM

Rebekah Brooks has just been arrested.

Seems there are no sacred cows after all......

Fox senior management take note, The Dirty Digger can still preempt police actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:05 PM

Cable "networks" do not require FCC licenses.

The couple of million loyal Fox viewers are not turned off by any number of lies and poor behaviors. It is unlikely that this one will tip the scale, but even if it did, Fox has a proven business model of telling prejudiced people exactly what they want to hear. If tthey go away in this form, they will come back in another.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 01:15 PM

If tthey go away in this form, they will come back in another.

Let us hope it might be as convicts.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 09:10 PM

You can't know how the other side thinks until the other side tells you what they think.

Or until the other side tells you what they've told their minions to think.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 11:17 PM

Yes Bee, that's what I said.

D

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 06:56 AM

Hypothetically, could the US revoke Rupert Murdoch's citizenship?

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 01:11 PM

Probably not, since they have no honor, which is what is causing all of Britain's media and police and infrastructure to resign en masse...

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 03:50 PM

That's got nothing to do with honour - it's about attempts at self-preservation.

I know you can lose your US citizenship if you have made false statements in your application. I suppose it depends on whether Rupert claimed to be an upright citizen or something like that, in which case he might be in trouble...

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 08:59 PM

In reality, FOX does have an FCC license for their various local news outlets where you might not have the all-out crazies, you do have crazy-lite...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 09:22 PM

Yes News Corp is in fact an American Corporation!

The mysterious discovery of the whistle blower from a News Corp journalist two years ago and as recently as last week to the NYT, was found dead in his home TODAY.
The death is unexplained, but as reported by Ruperts men, UNSUSPICIOUS!


OK Bobert I gave up on the RUpert Stalingrad thread but it was a good one.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 09:04 AM

Sorry, Donuel... I didn't mean to start a competing thread... I just don't have much time these days for the pudder and I miss a few things by cramming to much into too little time...

My apoogies...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:02 AM

Dont be silly, they each contain facts and observations worthy of editorial news coverage that we might see weeks down the road.

The point of advertising revenue is big nut something I had not considered until I read it here. My conjecture involved only the largest owners on the board and shareholders.

Cable channels do not have the same rules as broadcast such as having to fullfill a public need or obey language standards
but frankly I am unsure if they are not constrained by any goverment regulations whatsoever. They do have those emergency broadcast tests,
Which I may add were never used on September 9th 2001.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: pdq
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:29 AM

Isn't this a bit much? Three of the top seven threads are about trashing Rupert Murdoch.

Although the evasion of privacy charges are serious, there is an underlying current here.

The BBC fans want Murdoch's empire destroyed and their side to have a state-run monopoly. The US Left and the Democrat Party want Murdoch discredited and Fox news destoyed. The future of the concept of a "free press" is in serious trouble.

As much as people look down on the tabloid side of the press, it is driven by an insatiable desire on the part of the consumer. Murdoch's "give 'em what they want" attitude is perfectly reasonable. Fault lies with the bad taste of the consumer.



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Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 12:54 PM

Three of the top seven threads are about trashing Rupert Murdoch.

Rupert Murdoch TRASHED HIMSELF years ago.

Murdoch's "give 'em what they want" attitude is perfectly reasonable.

Lies, Bullshit, and Fantasy as one gets on Faux News? Reasonable?

Not on youir life, Pee Dee.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 01:00 PM

"The BBC fans want Murdoch's empire destroyed and their side to have a state-run monopoly. The US Left and the Democrat Party want Murdoch discredited and Fox news destoyed. The future of the concept of a "free press" is in serious trouble."

PDQ: This has nothing to do with 'BBC Fans', which a ludicrous concept in this context anyway, and it's nothing to do with left verses right as both sides of the political divide have been sucking up like lampreys to Mr Rupert's arse. For that reason alone, the Murdochs are, and have been a threat to UK democracy. Despite this rather sad and hubristic display by the Murdochs in the line of some pathetically gentle questioning from all but two of the committee members (and one custard-pie throwing tit), they have overseen one of the most scandalous acts of press criminality most people have ever seen. Remember, most people in the UK don't buy Murdoch tabloids so there's a sizeable number of people who think this is outrageous.

This outrage is genuine and to a large degree apolitical and it's based on public outrage - basic moral code e all adhere to have been transgressed. That's not to say politicians are not jostling for position, of course they are but to think that's the major move behind these proceedings is a gross misunderstanding. View it more as Parliament and people vs. News Corp and you'd be closer to the true nature of how this is viewed in the UK.

You might think this outrage is misplaced, and perhaps in your world it is. Unless, of course, you think it's OK to hack into and delete voicemails from a murdered girl's phone, hack into 7/7 victims phones, the phones of the families of dead soldiers who were killed in action on active service in Afghanistan . . .

I'm all in favour of giving the Murdoch's a trashing, but I don't think you really understand what's happening here and how deep the disgust is amongst the people of the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 03:38 PM

If naturalized US citizenship could be revoked just because someone's a lying, cheating, lowlife asshole, former Governator Ahnold would have already be given a one-way ticket to Austria.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 05:03 PM

Ditto Henry Kissinger.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 08:49 AM

Free press in touble ?

Let me count the ways.

It was in trouble when journalists felt fear and intimidation to tell the truth, not from the sources or war time dangers but from their boss.

When a collusion exists between politicians, police and a monopolistic press under the control of one man, I say that it is a free society that is in trouble.



SOme prefer a free society and some unwitingly prefer a police state.

It can lead to starting wars for the benefit of war profiteers.

It can lead to the destruction of the greatest people due to the political whim of one man.

It can lead to a police state supported by fearful politicians and the full support of one man.


Murdoch has 172 TV channels in the US bound by FCC rules.
The right to out right lie in the guise of news was allowed when Reagan abolished the fairness doctrine. the slogan fair and balance is but another example of new speak in this Orwellian wave that has swept the world over the last 20 years.


Does a free press exist?

Yes pdq, the 5th estate does exist and yes it is in trouble, because of the nature of a man who sought to control not just newspapers, but all politicians, all police, all celebrities and everyday men and women in what amounted to a blackmail scheme and hush money mill to silence its victims. Justice itself was corrupted when investigations are canceled by the head of the police who had the closest relationship with Murdoch.

Now dead bodies and warning on FOX to keep quiet if you got hush money has entered the equation. These are things we should investigate. If investigating this is considered to be trashing Murcdoch, you are either biased or delusional.

The biased can eventually re think an issue. The delusional can not.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 08:53 AM

TUE AM at 7:30 FOX and Friends Steve Douchy introduced a story about Tiger Woods paying a phone "pal" hush money 2 years ago.
He concluded by saying, "I would have to say that if you have been given hush money, you should be quiet." the other male talking head then chimed in "I got the message!".

They then smirkingly grinned at the camera.

Seeing that it is proven that NEWS CORP has paid 755 MILLION DOLLARS in hush money to keep cases out of court thus far, I found the threat made by Steve Douchy to be huge. Particulary when the first whistle blower against Murcdoch was found dead in his home the day before!

Poor Rupert coudn't remember ever of having asked how they got a story, Poor Rupert does not recall ever hearing about the $755
dollars paid out for hush money after keeping a case out of court.

You can believe him if you want, but enquiring minds want to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 03:59 PM

"The state" doesn't run the BBC, pdq - that's just not how it works. The size of the licence fee is set by the government, that's true, keeping it far below what we pay for access to satellite channels(and to many of the sporting events which we used to get without any extra payment.)

There is an editorial duty to provide balanced news coverage. Much of the time this means coverage that reveals and explores things the government of the day (any day) would very much sooner wasn't revealed or explored.

I suppose if you are accustomed to news media which are heavily biased, in any direction, the notion of balanced coverage might seem strange. Basically it means reporting all sides without spin and lies. Not that difficult an idea, but not one that is commonly put into practice. The BBC does it pretty well.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 04:16 PM

PeeDee never lets facts get in the way of a good rant, Kevin.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 11 - 05:38 PM

I think getting the facts right is an essential part of any good rant. Otherwise it's just blowing-off.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 21 Jul 11 - 05:45 AM

"Murdoch's "give 'em what they want" attitude is perfectly reasonable."

An absolutely outrageous attitude, if I ever read one!

Appealing to the 'lowest common denominator' and people's baser instincts is immoral and socially irresponsible to the highest degree! Any responsible social commentator should be seeking to raise the level of debate - not lower it as low as it will go!

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Jul 11 - 07:31 AM

I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jul 11 - 02:37 PM

A forlorn hope I'm afraid Sawzaw!

Police chiefs, CEOs of subsidiaries, politicians and private detectives may well go to the wall, but the Teflon coated arseholes who presided over the whole sorry mess will go on being a menace to a decent society until said society grows a pair and squashes them and all their ilk.

A "free press" is the common excuse for allowing the dissemination of lies and prejudice masquerading as news, and that is not what was intended as the meaning of the phrase.

It is supposed to mean telling the truth without fear or favour, the antithesis of the Murdochs' activities as displayed, for more than three decades, over three continents.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Will FOX unNews Go Down???
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 09:07 AM

Well said Don.