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BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 03 Apr 26 - 09:07 AM Sir Keir must ignore Big T and is on correct course Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Apr 26 - 09:56 AM Agreed, Ray. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 05 Apr 26 - 06:15 AM meanwhile Iranian and US servicemen continue to die Big T continues to bury his head in the dirt He started this unnecessarily and should apologise and realise that these are people of another country and not to be fobbed off and US citizens are being robbed of essential care ~ who would be US citizen now? Ry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Apr 26 - 10:38 AM We had planned a trip to the US this year - a few days in NYC (our first-ever visit to NYC) where I have an old friend, formerly a colleague in the UK, followed by Houston TX looking up old colleagues from my time working for a Houston-based petrochemical company, and looking forward to visits to the Johnson Space Centre (second visit for me, first for Mrs B), Kemah, and Galveston TX. There’s no way in hell we will set foot in Trumpistan, or spend a single cent there. Plans cancelled, we’re going to La Belle France instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 09 Apr 26 - 02:29 AM US without Big T could be a better country ~ Leadership is totally lost currently Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 11 Apr 26 - 03:53 AM So realisation that UK has been feathering the nests of the wealthy who have been paying too little tax and benefitting from the likes of share dividends when indeed and dare I say it Big T has asserted we have relied upon US force of arms for years So Russian having a picnic off Norway and a look at cabling has got us realising we need to strengthen armed force 5 years ago! Yes money needed from the wealthy NOW ~ leave the poor alone!! Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 13 Apr 26 - 02:31 AM So just because HM Govt, having lost the proscribed Action has appealed the decision what right do the police have to continue to arrest protesters? Does this not become wrongful arrest? If Bailiffs knock on you door looking for arrears of debts and you say I have appealed this ~ would the Bailiffs say righto? not on your nellie! Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 13 Apr 26 - 11:44 AM Three comments on an ElReg article:
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 14 Apr 26 - 01:32 AM Yes it is important to realise that UK needs to improve its armed forces capabilities ~ let go to pot during Tory Government Lord Robertson to speak on this issue(not seen yet) Of course arms manufacture will see employment increase and GDP rise UK is not a warring Nation and UK must be careful as to who WE the people vote for in the future! Come on Sir Keir ~ on the right track More taxes from the rich, please Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 14 Apr 26 - 02:40 AM why does the uk need to improve its armed forces capabilities? IMO it does not |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 14 Apr 26 - 09:10 AM 1 Trump will not support EU, and Nato ~ maintains lack of EU investment in defence is due to dependence on US armed force strength 2 Russia has been sniffing round Arctic, probably due to Big T's interest in taking Greenland 3 Threat of Russia wanting to interfere with cabling and other threats of invasion to UK ~ Scotland to Cornwall etc Big T has stirred a hornets nest in the Middle East ~ and Far East, China too we needs to be alert and not shown as being a push over Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 14 Apr 26 - 11:20 AM This sort of situation is not unknown in history:
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 14 Apr 26 - 12:50 PM Plan from other parties is to deny welfare benefits to the poor and those with children (who are struggling to make ends meet) to invest in armament manufacture ~ what a good idea (not) The Overseas donations/investment budget has already been pinched (I think that was Hillary Benn's Ministerial job) UK is Hard up and money tight Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 14 Apr 26 - 01:10 PM Water companies that have not been fulfilling their primary purposes, but have instead been paying out shareholder dividends and paying executives to much are now desperately short of money As has been said fining companies was/is self defeating and water rate payers as usual are and have been paying ever increasing amounts Fining is self defeating ~ only course is to bring to law and imprisonment and personal accountability must be followed and now where does finance come from ~ well as usual the Govt/ taxes/ you ad me ~ this is hard and new financing arrangements are needed ~ would the existing shareholder do so? These shareholders are probably pension funds ~ maybe fixed interest shares or similar? Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Rain Dog Date: 14 Apr 26 - 01:44 PM "only course is to bring to law and imprisonment" Imprisonment? For what crime? A major reason for privatising water was for the government to avoid the expense of the required investment. Government investment requires income raised from taxes. Governments of whatever party will look to cut investment instead of raising taxes. No party is willing to be honest about the need to raise taxes. The vast majority of voters think that someone else should be paying more tax. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 15 Apr 26 - 01:44 AM The directors have awarded themselves high salaries and bonuses falsely ~ the main purpose of the Companies is and was to treat sewage and provide clean drinking water and of course stop the leaks The provision of finance who ever they are are looking for a return for their investment and my goodness they fell on a CASH COW of might proportion The problem is blind eyes fell on the decades long FAILURES to achieve the principal purpose "was to treat sewage and provide clean drinking water and of course stop the leaks" so WE now have a BIG job and still the need for investment finance could prove difficult ~ who pays ~ you know damn well THETAXPAYER ' but is that fair ~ no refer back to the company ~ hopefully not all Water companies are bankrupt The way this has happened is imv a Crime and as said previous posts fining is stupid ~ charfes against the PVER paid CEOs Nationalisation as I said before is a last resort at the moment as current budget has many pulls ~ we wallow in our own muck and destroy essential water ~ make the Water companies set up WORK properly with clean water paramount Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Apr 26 - 03:05 AM Investment in water infrastructure as well as investment in transport and other utilities should not come from taxes but from profits. Instead of paying shareholders billions in dividends, that money should go back into improving infrastructure. This snippet from Hansard - "Since privatisation, £65.9 billion has been paid out in water company dividends. There was a 20% increase in executive pay last year, and Britain's privatised water and sewerage companies paid £1.4 billion in dividends in 2022, up from £540 million the previous year." Had the water companies not been given away to their mates by Thatcher's government, that sum, along with excessive bonuses,could have been ploughed back into self investment. In theory of course;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 15 Apr 26 - 03:30 AM good post Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 15 Apr 26 - 09:06 AM O could not agree more Dave and Dick ~ the company was set up to work on water treatment and funded by Water rate payers on an ongoing basis employees and overheads etc should be coming out of rates mainly The directors and managers should get only a decent salary I do not see why bonuses are payable and the measurement of aa going concern is measurable by water treatment, repairs to leaks and water quality Ever increasing annual water rates is mystifying ~ who is overseeing these water companies success, and how measured? Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 17 Apr 26 - 06:53 AM I think Starmer should resign, does anybody have a good reason why he should not |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Apr 26 - 07:10 AM You first. What are your reasons for believing he should? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 17 Apr 26 - 10:03 AM "I think Starmer should resign, does anybody have a good reason why he should not" Yes. I don't think he should resign. That's an 'easy option' He should be kicked out! Or, from Hilaire Belloc: "Epitah on the Politician Himself Here richly, with ridiculous display, The Politician's corpse was laid away. While all of his acquaintance sneered and slanged I wept: for I had longed to see him hanged." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 17 Apr 26 - 11:40 AM he should resign, because he either deliberately misled parliament, or he is incompetent here is a link to an opposition leaders comment.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/etFh7lbzD04 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Apr 26 - 03:25 PM That clip tells us nothing, other than that Kemi Badenough wants him to resign - there’s a surprise (NOT - she’s forever saying he should resign). What is the issue you believe he should resign over? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Apr 26 - 03:42 PM Aaaahh! Sorry Dick, I’ve been out of the country for a week, only got back to the Backwoods a couple of hours ago - I hadn’t seen anything about the ‘Mandelson Vetting’ furore until just now. Whilst I understand the point people are making, it really does seem laughable that Badenough is demanding his resignation, given the record of various Tory leaders during their 14 years of mis-rule. Anyone remember a guy called Johnson who lied every time he opened his mouth? And, given the other issues of the moment - Trump, Iran The Strait of Hormuz, Israel, Ukraine, yadda yadda - the Mandelson issue surely pales into insignificance. But time will tell, I’m sure… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 18 Apr 26 - 01:59 AM Sir Keir has to take advice from his Civil servants ~ seems one departed does not like his dismissal ~ we shall see next week when he tells his tale Mandelson it seems was best fit but the revelations of personal wrong doing have been his downfall I back Starmer to stay he works hard Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Apr 26 - 03:30 AM I don't particularly like Starmer but should he resigh? Hmmmm. Not over the Mandleson issue. I don't believe he deliberately misled anyone and the fact that he was not given all the facts does not make him incompetent. However, after the May elections , he may need to either consider bringing the party back in line with its core principles or step down in favour of someone who will withstand the temptation of right wing populism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 18 Apr 26 - 09:39 AM Backwoodsman: "Whilst I understand the point people are making, it really does seem laughable that Badenough is demanding his resignation, given the record of various Tory leaders during their 14 years of mis-rule. Anyone remember a guy called Johnson who lied every time he opened his mouth?" That's a classic bit of 'whataboutery'. And anyway, Boris did resign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Apr 26 - 10:11 AM ‘Whataboutery’ is the classic Tory tactic, Nigel, and a tactic regularly employed by your good self, so a case of ‘the biter bit’, methinks. Johnson did indeed resign - eventually, after three years 44 days of constant, blatant lying and obfuscation - so, at that rate, Starmer has almost a couple of years to go. DtG - I completely agree with your summary. The Mandelson affair is very small beer indeed compared to the other issues I mentioned, and I believe Starmer has demonstrated excellent Statesmanship over the war that Trump and Netan-Yahoo chose to begin with Iran. If Badenough and Man-Frog Farridge had had their way, the UK would have been up to its neck in blood and bullets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Apr 26 - 10:16 AM I certainly agree about the statesmanship, BWM. He would make a great Foreign secretary or ambassador. Not sure about leader of what should be the left of the house though :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Apr 26 - 10:28 AM I agree again, Dave! Unfortunately, I don’t see a suitable left-of-centre candidate ‘waiting in the wings’ to take up the reins. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Apr 26 - 12:47 PM Andy Burnham has made a damn fine job of Mayor of Manchester and introduced some good socialist ideas - particularly on transport. Dunno if he would be PM materal though. I was a member of the Labour party before Starmer sacked anyone who even thought about socialism. I voted for Rebecca Long-Bailey and left the Labour party after Starmer suspended her and some others for opposing the 2 child benefit cap. I thought Corbyn had good ideas and integrity but he was a weak leader. He should have stood up to the bullying and quashed all the antisemitism nonsense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 18 Apr 26 - 01:53 PM UK politicians: the least hint of a scandal, and everybody starts baying "Resign". (Kemi in particular is giving her world-famous stuck-record impression.) US politicians: .... need I go on? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Apr 26 - 02:12 PM ”Kemi in particular is giving her world-famous stuck-record impression” It’s all she’s got. She’s useless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 18 Apr 26 - 02:51 PM "‘Whataboutery’ is the classic Tory tactic, Nigel, and a tactic regularly employed by your good self," Now being employed by the 'left'. If you disliked it being used by the 'right', why accept it when used by the left? Oh yes, it suits your views! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Apr 26 - 04:23 PM You may not like hearing the truth, Nigs, but the truth it is. Different when the shoe’s on the other foot, isn’t it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 19 Apr 26 - 12:40 AM "The Government has just announced that people will no longer face a visit from a bailiff after just one missed payment. Councils will now have to wait over 60 days, giving people much more breathing space before they face a knock at the door." from an email received Bout time This for me was fuelled by the abolition by crazy LAs of rent and rates offices" bringing about payment by cash and simpler methods, which suited hard up residents ~ DDs payable by those with no money or bank account was never a goer Like many things forcing new methods on poor and elderly shows no understanding of the population LAs debts grow by the minute ~ short sighted ness comes to mind Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 19 Apr 26 - 01:14 AM "There is no general power for the police to force people to make their face available to be filmed using facial recognition technology. You are therefore entitled to refuse to have your face scanned. You are entitled to cover your face so that a camera cannot capture an image of it. EXCEPTION: If there is an order in place under section 60AA of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (“a section 60AA Order”), the police can require you to remove a face covering. It is a criminal offence to refuse to do so, punishable by up to one month’s imprisonment or a fine of up to £1,000, or both. The police must reasonably believe that an item is being worn wholly or partly as a disguise (i.e. to stop you from being identified) or that you intend to use it as a disguise and not, for example, if your only reason for wearing the item is as part of your religious beliefs, such as a niqab." from the site ~ police information by photo search |
