Subject: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:41 PM Congratulations to a wonderful lady !!! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: keberoxu Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:55 PM The Sapphire , isn't that the 65th anniversary? Think she already had a Diamond Jubilee (60th) ? |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Rapparee Date: 03 Jun 18 - 08:44 PM Unlike some world leaders, she actually during wartime. Or served at all. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Jun 18 - 08:55 PM Unlike some world leaders, she's not a world leader. She does lead an extremely dysfunctional family, sure enough. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Nigel Parsons Date: 03 Jun 18 - 09:47 PM Anyway, those grapes were sour! Of course she's a world leader. Probably more so than anyone else you could use that description to (apart from, possibly, the Pope). She's the head of the Church of England, and the head of the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth member countries span Africa, the Americas, Asia, Europe and the Pacific – with a combined population of over 2.4 billion people, making up one third of the world’s population. And 60 per cent of the Commonwealth population are under 30-years-old |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 12:03 AM She has no political power. In that sense, she is not a 'world leader', although she is a head of state. But I'm pretty sure that she is viewed with a very great deal more respect and affection than pretty much any other head of state. I prefer heads of state who are politically toothless - they do considerably less damage than politicians, and probably cost a lot less. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 12:07 AM I recently saw, possibly on this forum, a statement by a US-er that 'England is governed by the Queen of England'. Three mistakes in an eight-word sentence - how little they understand! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Bonzo3legs Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:36 AM Ha ha, no new laws are laws until she has signed them off. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:45 AM But it's a formality - AFAIK, she has never refused to sign off on any new laws, and she probably couldn't even if she wanted to. No monarch has refused to sign a new law since 1708. What the monarch can and can't do... |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:53 AM The deliberate cap-doffing, forelock tugging tone that the OP chooses to word his post precludes any chance of a reasonable discussion on Royalty In my opinion they were once oppressors, now they have become merely weapons in the hands of oppressors - figureheads, some of which show the signs of a SCULPTORS BLUNT CHISEL Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:13 AM Don't disagree there Jim. But I still prefer a benign, effectively powerless, monarch to an elected president with real political power. President Trump, anyone? Or even President May? Words like 'Fuck' and 'That' spring readily to mind! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Bonzo3legs Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:22 AM It's not for discussion, simply congratulations for 65 years of exemplary service to England and the Commonwealth. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:46 AM "It's not for discussion" Sorry - too late for that You put it up, it gets discussed Rules of the game I'm afraid Tou want it otherwise - go salute the picture on your wall "But I still prefer a benign, effectively powerless, monarch to an elected president" Me too; we have a lovely man as a President (met him once when he opened a music event here) - he can put his feet under our table anytime Our English lot seem benign enough - it's how they get used is the problem - an economic crisis looms and a royal couple get married or our pops a sprog They's as entitled as the rest of us to couple or breed - but why do they have to do in in public? And those weird costumes and hats - puts 'My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding' to shame. They're ok as a bunch, just a bit of an anachronism Jim |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:52 AM She has indeed done a good job as our PR Front-Woman. Seldom put a foot wrong in that respect. Very well-paid for doing the job too. As for discussion, threads go where they will go. Only the mods have any kind of power over that, and even then their powers are of a summary nature - they either let it run, or they close it. Nobody has any power other than that, certainly no member has any power to dictate to other members about what they may, or may not, say. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: The Sandman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:53 AM It's not for discussion, simply congratulations for 65 years of exemplary service to England and the Commonwealth." that is your opinion, I would not dispute 65 years service, but the adjective exemplary is your opinion,factually it is open to discussion. if you give an opinion about anyone, it is reasonable to expect discussion Sorry, the use of the word exemplary makes it open for discussion |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Bonzo3legs Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:21 AM See how easy it is to wind up you labour lackeys!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Jun 18 - 10:10 AM She does that funny little begloved royal wave and says, over a barrier of course, "Hellay, and what do YOU do?" better than any monarch I've ever come across. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 10:19 AM "See how easy it is to wind up you labour lackeys!!!" Do you really believe we don't know you are a wind-up merchant Thanks for the opportunity to discuss our dependents It's always struck me how much more democratic Ireland is as far as having contact with our betters In 1965 I nearly had my foot run over by DeValera's Limousine when coming out ofa Hurling Final at Croake ParkI was within reach of him and Grace Kelly as they drove past I was in the first row when our lovely 1st woman President, Mary Robinson when she opened the Irish Traditional Music Archive Pat and I nearly bumped into our second Lady President in Dublin - she and her husband were going into Marks and Sparks as we were coming out The late Paddy Hillery's house is about a mile from here - we could have gone boozing with him if we'd drunk in his brother's pub Pat showed our present President to his (very uncomfortable) chair when he opened the Willie Clancy Summer School "Did I know 'Pedro the Bandit - haven't I just had lunch with him?", as the joke goes A BBC reporter told the story of how he was sent to interview President Garret Fitzgerald in the middle of The Troubles in the 70s They were sitting at his kitchen table (G F was still in his dressing gown) The reporter saw a man climb over the back fence carrying something and panicked, thinking it might be an attack Fitzgerald excused himself, walked into the garden and came back carrying two bottles of milk Life's a bit different here - you wouldn't get Liz or Phil doing that Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: punkfolkrocker Date: 04 Jun 18 - 11:47 AM ..at the very least we can thank the queen for inspiring one of the Sex Pistols very best records... Turn yer speakers up full blast and pogo until your piles protrude....!!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Gutcher Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:54 PM Nice to see the O.P. giving her the correct designation as Queen of England. We here in Scotland have never had an Elizabeth prior to her coronation, so how can she claim to be Elizabeth 2nd in these parts. They had to remove all the cast-iron letterboxes proclaiming her as ER11 when this was pointed out to them at the time. The latest opinion poll, that asked the question here, was the first in my memory that showed a majority in favour of removing the monarch as head of state. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:13 PM 'Bout time you gave her the proper Stone back instead of the fake Woudn't that be a nice anniversary present !! Jim |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 04 Jun 18 - 03:42 PM Gutcher, when I lived in Scotland (seventies), I seem to remember a song about Elizabeth the yin. The words were something like "How can there be a second yin when the first yin's never been?" Do you know it? I can't find it online at all. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:04 PM Ha! Found it on the trusty Digitrad (thank you Mudcat!) It's called 'Coronation Coronach' (words by Thurso Berwick), and sung to the tune The Sash My Father Wore. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:20 PM I don't think anyone has ever suggested she is Elizabeth 11... I can't see why she couldn't continue to remain as Elizabeth II for the foreseeable future. Why this assumption that a formal head of state has to be alive anyway? |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Gutcher Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:22 PM Sen. it was also known as The Scottish Breakaway. Thurso Berwick being the pen-name of Morris Blythman, a Glasgow Schoolteacher. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Gutcher Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:35 PM "I don"t think anyone has ever suggested she is Elizabeth 11"-- where have you been hiding for the past 65 years?. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: The Sandman Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:40 PM Bonzo being dogmatic. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:46 PM Thank you Gutcher. Hahaha, I was a Glasgow schoolteacher too! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Jun 18 - 04:53 PM Anyway, isn't it 66? I seem to remember the Queen's silver jubilee coming up in 1977 when I lived in Robin Hood Gardens, where they held a street party on the grassy mound between the two blocks. We lefties at the time were going ballistic at the very idea of a royal bollix just when education cuts were in full swing. I got married - in the Catholic Church, people - at the end of '76 and I remember going to see Father Burke for one of our pre-nuptial meetings wearing my "Stuff The Jubilee" badge. He was a good old boy, a down-to-earth east-ender, but he still managed to give me a funny look... |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Gallus Moll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 05:26 PM Hi Gutcher, ref. the letter box removals in Scotland (and the signage on PO vans!)I was sadly a little young to participate but my parents told me that the pillar boxes were being blown up, often by otherwise quite conformist people- there was outrage in Scotland at her titling herself EIIR!! Totally inappropriate, incorrect---so the powers that be HAD to change the signs else they would have had no post boxes left!!! as an older Primary child I wrote to Buckingham Palace to query the situation and the reply was that she could call herself whatever she wanted - - well, that's when I stopped standing for the (alleged) national anthem -- you know the one that was originally a theatre entertainment song slagging off the Jacobites who were on the march south, and trying to rouse up the scaredy Londoners? - They conveniently dropped the verse about the nasty Scots and reused it as that anthem I won't sing/stand for. As for 'loyal toasts ' - I ignore them too 'cept on occasions when I am at a top table and prefer not to be rude to the company- - however if you look closely my toast is circling my whisky glass over my water glass and muttering 'king over the water' under my breath!!! Senofou, in the 60s and maybe 70s there was a Rebel Ceilidh Songbook around, had a fair few of these songs in, also anti nuclear ones -- and I am pretty sure some of Jim McLean's too? |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 04 Jun 18 - 05:39 PM Gallus, on Youtube, you can watch Billy Connelly being hilarious about the National Anthem "Rebellious Scots to crush... Oh ye bloody THINK so?" I think I heard the song in an Edinburgh pub on the Royal Mile, but it was so long ago I can't quite remember. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jun 18 - 07:18 PM Elizabeth the 11th, Gutcher? |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Jun 18 - 02:39 AM " 'Coronation Coronach'" Three great songs aboout the 'Takin' o' the Stane Jim Carroll Scottish Breakaway (Coronation Coronach) (Trad / Thurso Berwick) Chorus: Nae Liz the Twa, nae Lilibet the One Nae Liz will ever dae We'll mak' oor land Republican In a Scottish breakaway Noo Scotland hasnae got a King And she hasnae got a Queen How can ye hae the Second Liz When the First yin's never been Her man he's cried the Duke o' Edinburgh He's wan o' the kiltie Greeks Och dinnae blaw ma kilt awa' For it's Lizzie wears the breeks He's a handsome man and he looks like Don Juan He's beloved by the weaker sex But it disnae really matter at a' 'Cause it's Lizzie that signs the cheques Noo her sister Meg's got a bonny pair o' legs But she didnae want a German or a Greek Poor aul' Peter was her choice but he didnae suit the boys So they sellt him up the creek But Meg was fly an' she beat them by an' by Wi' Tony hyphenated Armstrong Behind the pomp and play the question o' the day Wis, Who did Suzie Wong Sae here's tae the lion, the bonnie rampant lion, An' a lang streitch tae his paw Gie a Hampdon roar an' it's oot the door Ta-ta tae Chairlie's maw (as sung by Alex Campbell) Tune: The Sash My Father Wore The Wee Magic Stane Oh the Dean o' Westminster wis a powerful man, He held a' the strings o' the state in his hand. But with a' this great business it flustered him nane, Till some rogues ran away wi' his wee ma-gic stane." Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. Noo the stane had great pow'rs that could dae such a thing And withoot it, it seemed, we'd be wantin' a king, So he called in the polis and gave this decree; "Go an' hunt oot the Stane and return it tae me." Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. So the polis went beetlin' up tae the North They huntit the Clyde and they huntit' the Forth But the wild folk up yonder jist kiddit them a' Fur they didnae believe it wis magic at a'. Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. Noo the Provost o' Glesga, Sir Victor by name, Was awfy pit oot when he heard o' the Stane So he offered the statues that staun in the Square That the high churches' masons might mak a few mair. Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. When the Dean o' Westminster wi' this was acquaint, He sent for Sir Victor and made him a saint, "Now it's no use you sending your statues down heah" Said the Dean, "But you've given me a jolly good ideah." Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. So he quarried a stane o' the very same stuff An' he dressed it a' up till it looked like enough Then he sent for the Press and announced that the Stane Had been found and returned to Westminster again. Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. When the reivers found oot what Westminster had done, They went aboot diggin' up stanes by the ton And fur each wan they feenished they entered the claim That this was the true and original stane. Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. Noo the cream o' the joke still remains tae be tellt, Fur the bloke that was turnin' them aff on the belt At the peak o' production was so sorely pressed That the real yin got bunged in alang wi' the rest. Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. So if ever ye come on a stane wi' a ring Jist sit yersel' doon and appoint yersel King Fur there's nane wud be able to challenge yir claim That ye'd croont yersel King on the Destiny Stane. Wi' a too-ra-li-oor-a-li-oor-a-li-ay. The Stone of Scone, on which the Bruce was crowned, is a basic symbol of Scottish culture and nationalism. Therefore, it was 'removed' to Westminister Abbey by the English. It disappeared on Christmas Day 1951. There was considerable investigation and a similar rock was eventually recovered. Several forged copies were then displayed which were identical to the recovered' one. The Stone has since been returned to Scotland, it's rightful home. Superintendant Barratt O, Sherlock Holmes is deid lang syne In some forgotten garret, But aa o’ youse hae heard the news O Sup’rintendant Barratt He cam' up here in Janiveer, The day it was a Monday; He crossed the border deep in snaw – And wished ti Hell he hadnael For aa he got whin he cam' North Wis 'Herel ' an' 'There!' an' Tonderl ' He fleed aboot in a high-speed caur, But his clues wad only daunder. "Four days o' frosts, ah want nae mair," He tellt the Scottish polis, “Ye kin keep your Stane, an' the yins thit taen't!" And aff he gaed hame, clueless. Barrratt was sent from London to head the search for the Stane |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: keberoxu Date: 05 Jun 18 - 02:11 PM "Hellay." I can just hear it -- and I've never set foot in the UK. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 18 - 02:24 PM Posh people have a very strange way of pronouncing English. They talk about ones 'hice and grinds' (house and grounds) and 'cheps and gels' (lads and lasses) One hears them at the Royal Norfolk Show, where there's a reserved enclosure for them. The ladies swan around carrying champagne glasses and wearing rather large, flamboyant hats. They call out 'Hellay' to eachother. (They're called the County set) But they're just people after all, good and bad among them. I'm just curious about their accent and their ways! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: punkfolkrocker Date: 05 Jun 18 - 02:42 PM .. ok... if you've not already watched this - there are 9 days left on Channel 4 catch up. It would help if you watched the full first series, but this one off special is easy enough to get into if unfamiliar with this outrageously exaggerated scurrilous satire on "The Windsors"..... http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-windsors/on-demand/68069-001 |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: keberoxu Date: 05 Jun 18 - 02:48 PM Ah, so. "The County Set." Which clarifies the Michael Flanders stanza from his "A Guide to Britten." The judges at each festival Admired his Sinfonietta; they lauded it the best of all They'd never heard a better. 'Twas applauded by the masses, The middle classes too - oo, And even by the Harewoods (?) and "the County set" -- yes, [shift into barbershop-quartet harmony) Even by the Doggy, Doggy Fewwwwwwwww! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Jun 18 - 02:56 PM I remember hearing a 'fraightfully, fraightfully posh' lady on TV, saying that her daughter had gone to live in 'Take-Yay'. Took me a while to realise she meant Tokyo. |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 18 - 03:09 PM In spite of speaking slightly dodgy English, my husband does a fabulous imitation of the Queen in a falsetto voice, makes me die. "Ayo, Pheeleeep, there's a mewst orful stink rahnd hair. Hev yooo just faahted?" |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 05 Jun 18 - 03:55 PM Senoufou Did the Queen then say "stop it Philip" to which Philip replied "certainly Maam … which way did it go?" |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 18 - 04:02 PM Hahahaha Kenny! I've just told him what you wrote and he's laughing his head off! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 05 Jun 18 - 04:11 PM Be prepared to catch and restore it then …. the head with the smile The old ones are the best...… I first heard it about Victoria and Albert but no doubt it predates that too , I wonder if there is a seriously reputable historian in here who can identify its origin? |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Jun 18 - 05:23 PM The queen turned up in our village wearing fur on her head. She had told Philip she was going to Sutton in Craven and Philip replied "Where the fox hat?" :D tG |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 05 Jun 18 - 05:33 PM Hahahaha Dave! This is turning into a really funny thread! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: keberoxu Date: 05 Jun 18 - 09:58 PM Funny the things you stumble across whilst looking up other things. In search of a poem/song-lyric by an Englishman named Salmon, my online Google searches took me to an issue of the Winnipeg Free Press, of all things, which had the poem inside. The date was late November, 1934. Elizabeth, the Princess, would have been all of eight years of age. She was amongst the bridesmaids for a wedding that had just taken place, that of George, Duke of Kent, to Princess Marina. The Duke would die in a plane crash in Scotland during the war. Anyway, a chatty description of the wedding includes mention of "the winsome Princess Elizabeth, the granddaughter of the king and queen." |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Nigel Parsons Date: 06 Jun 18 - 04:26 AM the winsome Princess Elizabeth Oh well, winsome, lose some :) |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Jun 18 - 05:47 AM "Hev yooo just faahted?" A rather drunk guest farted at a royal banquet, the man next to him whispered angrily, "How dare you break wind before Her Majesty" "Sorry", came the slurred reply, "I didn't realise it was her turn The old ones are the best Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Senoufou Date: 06 Jun 18 - 06:58 AM My husband's in the study and I've just told him these latest jokes. He's chuckling away like anything. He leaves for work in a bit, and he says he'll be laughing all day now! |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Jun 18 - 08:56 AM There's an old folktale of a King and Queen making passionate love on their wedding night, After the third or fourth round, the Queen turns to her husband and gasps, "Do common people do this dear?" "I suppose they do my love". "Well", she replies, "it's too ******* good for them" Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: HM Queen's 65th anniversary!! From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Jun 18 - 01:42 PM Congratulations to a wonderful lady !!! |