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Subject: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:43 PM Well ya know I love old pocket watches, but today I was looking at my old windup wrist watches .. they really knew how to make them. My elgin 17 jeweled , the 17 Jeweled Bulova. I also have one called a Lewis super automatic .. I have no idea ... runs great but anyone ever here of a Lewis ?.. Today it is batteries, batteries, batteries. I swear the whole world would stop if it was not powered by some battery someplace .. the only reason it turns is someone changes the battery every week or the world would stop rotating.. What was wrong with a precision instrument that we could wind or it would self wind .. heck no batteries to buy .. that was the problem I guess. Why not make a watch that runs on lime green Jell-O .. |
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Subject: RE: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:43 PM Please move to BS section |
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Subject: RE: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Aug 10 - 10:02 PM I have a few wrist watches. One automatic Omega and a few of the old-fashioned kind that need winding. My wife likes cheap battery jobs, getting batteries at the super mart, then throwing the thing away when it quits running. The automatics may increase in popularity and sales, thanks to the Chinese. I made an impulsive buy a few months ago. The watch is 27 jewel, automatic wind, with month, date and day all exhibited on a nice dial with sweep second hand. Window on the back showing the movement and half-moon winder. It is keeping good time. Cost? Under $100. The Chinese production lines are running on slow, but I'll bet it won't be long before this watch will be in the Timex price range. Oh, the times they are a changing. |
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Subject: RE: Old Wrist Watches From: GUEST,DWR Date: 19 Aug 10 - 10:28 PM I have my Dad's Elgin pocket watch with the winder on the side. (converted from a key wind about 1920) His Dad had bought it USED about the turn of the century. I found out through the serial number that it was new about 1875. Value? Not all that much, well worn but well loved. If I make it out to Arizona next month, I plan to turn it over to my nephews. How many of our fancy multitasking watches will be around after 135 years or so? I've got three in working order at the moment. If one dies, no new battery for it, into the trash it goes. I've also got the wristwatch given to my Step-Dad when he retired. It's valuable, too, but only to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: ChanteyLass Date: 20 Aug 10 - 12:05 AM I miss self-winding watches even more than the ones we had to wind. Battery manufacturers must love the "new" watches. They profit whether we install new batteries in old watches or buy new watches. Batteries pollute the environment. If you have a battery watch that you use rarely (like a "dressy" watch) pull out the stem when you are not using it. That will extend the battery's life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: katlaughing Date: 20 Aug 10 - 12:08 AM I haven't worn a watch in years, but I still have some which were not that expensive, but special to me. One, a gold, delicate Citizen was over $100 in the early 80s which was a lot to a young, single mom. One is an old Timex which was the only watch I could find to attach a hand-made silver and turquoise band my friend gave me. Her uncle was a silversmith in New Mexico and had made it. My brother is nuts about watches. He went gaga over some this year and wound up with an Invicta "subaqua chronograph" or two and something else. He went through a major obsession over them, sending them back when one tiny thing wasn't working right, etc. which, for what he paid, I don't blame him, but it went on for a few months. I don't remember how many he wound up with, not all of them as expensive as the Invicta, but still a chunk of change. My sister has my grandma's lady watch which hung from a pin. I remember a men's pocket watch which I think was my granddad's, but I don't know which of us wound (no pun intended) up with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: gnu Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:49 AM The only things I like about the new watches are the alarm and the timer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 20 Aug 10 - 05:24 AM I'm always on the lookout in second hand shops for a nice wee wind-up watch. As someone who believes in a non-consumerist ethic, I prefer anything which doesn't require disposable elements. Incidentally my father apprenticed as a watchmaker many years ago. He would patiently work with these tiny wee cogs and wheels held with tweezers. I find something romantic about that, like it belongs in a story from a long time ago. Which I guess it does now. Obviously battery run watches put him out of a trade. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 20 Aug 10 - 06:20 AM review of How the Watch was Worn by Genevieve Cummins Genevieve is an Australian collector & author |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: JennieG Date: 20 Aug 10 - 09:23 AM Sandra, that would be an interesting read - but oh my, the $$$! A wee bit out of my price range. I have a lovely 9ct gold lady's fob watch that came to me from my mother, who was given it by my grandmother - not her mother, but her MIL, my father's mother. It hasn't gone for several years, but recently I took it to a jeweller/watchmaker and he said it is fixable, and it won't cost a king's ransom either. I look forward to getting it back - I have a dome to hang it under, not made of glass alas, just plastic, but it will keep the dust away. Another of my family treasures is a photograph taken in 1890 of my maternal grandmother as a 3YO sitting on her father's knee with her mother and siblings around; her mother is wearing a fob watch and chain on her tightly corseted bosom. The watch can't be seen as it was probably tucked into a pocket, but the chain can. Cheers JennieG who has a love of old jewellery and treasures |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 10:21 AM Estate Sales, Flea Markets, Yard Sales ... you cannot believe the deals you will find on vintage wind up watches. My 17 Jeweled Elgin wrist watch 2 dollars in a flea market. No one wants them anymore and they will keep time as good as anything and no damn batteries. Was it wrong to make something that worked and lasted .. today, you are so right, don't change the battery just throw away the watch. and who really needs a watch with cell phones anymore. But I find myself naked if I don't know what time it is .. and I don't want to reach for my cell phone when I am walking around the woods or sitting on an airplane and it is suppose to be off. Throw back yup, but not all throw back stuff was obsolete or wrong thinking. Modern isn't always better I think |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 10:34 AM Crow I am in awe of people who could work on them, The Amish guy that works on the pocket watches, he has a loupe and tweezers and tiny screw drivers rebuilding parts I can barely see .. what a wonderful craft that was .. today it is a circuit board made in China and a battery .. One cannot stop progress but I don't think we made progress, I think we just became lazy for I don't think the pollution caused by all the batteries and the cost of them made anything better. I bought my wife a turquoise and silver bracelet in a flea market. Absolutely beautiful she loved it, you push a lever and the top flips up and is a 1930's swiss movement watch that keeps wonderful time. The guy I bought it from charged me 25 dollars for the bracelet because of the turquoise and silver- told me the old watch who cares no value .. Well to me and her it has plenty. She doesn't have my passion and has many battery watches but doesn't mine winding up a beautiful piece of Jewelery |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Rapparee Date: 20 Aug 10 - 10:36 AM I have a Bulova Caravelle my brother sent me as a Christmas present when he was in Vietnam back in 1968. Still works great. I also have a stem-winder pocket watch, an Elgin -- works as well as ever. I wear a Citizen chronograph because a) it's a decent watch, b) the luminous parts work really well, and c) it's waterproof to 100 meters (although if I'm ever 100 meters under water I suppose I wouldn't care if my watch was running or not). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 10:46 AM Those are great Rap, and I agree, when I am out fishing I will wear a Columbia battery waterproof everything yada yada .. cause I don't want to nuts up any of the old classics . Then I come back home pull out the stem and put it in the drawer ... and you are right what is the 100 meters ? I couldn't hold my breath that deep either LOL By the way I did my experiment with my battery watch .. I got 3 months out of it ... remember I told you I drain batteries like a short since my near death thing ... 3 months on a new battery, they are suppose to last 2 years ... LOL I love wind up watches |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 20 Aug 10 - 11:32 AM Hey Olddude, wish my fella had an eye like yours for vintage jewellery! I get CD's ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 11:44 AM This is the one I got for my wife. The turquoise is just so beautiful. It is just such a nice bracelet, then you lift a lever and and the large turquoise stone moves up and displays the watch her watch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 11:46 AM It is all sterling, for some reason my camera flash looks yellow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 12:04 PM sorry try it now, had to reboot |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: kendall Date: 20 Aug 10 - 12:51 PM I have two old wrist watches. One is a Russian made, the name on the face is LUCH. I got it in a trade aboard a Russian factory ship back when I was in the National Marine Fisheries Service.It runs. The other is a Benrus that my Mother gave me when I graduated from High school in 1952. It doesn't run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 01:39 PM No Kendall you actually have 3, a 17 jeweled Elgin ... it don't look like much since someone worn it a lot but it keeps great time. Hopefully it will still keep great time after I send it ... Your mail system in Maine there is like Pneumonia to time pieces LOL .. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Aug 10 - 02:13 PM A favorite wristwatch dates from about 1918, it is in a very attractive and simple gold case. The face has 'Black's', the name of the jewelery store in Calgary that prededed the Birks chain (All Canadians know this company). The back has the engraved initials of a Black family member. It has a 15 jewel swiss movement, runs very well. It came from an auction that included some belongings of a Black descendant. With an Omega Seamaster automatic and a couple of pieces of costume jewelry, I got the lot for $22. The Omega runs, but it badly needs cleaning and oiling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 02:20 PM That is this Louis super automatic. Q did you ever hear of that company? it reads Louis 17 jewels super automatic .. Old bugger like 40's .. I have not been able to find out anything of the company... runs great so I use it .. but it amazes me that so little info exists on it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: kendall Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:39 PM Dan, I didn't count the Elgin because it is a pocket watch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: kendall Date: 20 Aug 10 - 04:40 PM I never wear a wrist watch anymore since I got a cell phone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 05:27 PM No this Elgin is a wrist watch Kendall |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM Kendall I was talking about an elgin wrist watch that I am sending you not the pocket watch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Aug 10 - 05:58 PM A Louis Watch Co. of New York sold swiss watches under their name. That was all I could find. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 07:18 PM You maybe right Q, it is Swiss ... Must be the one ... thanks so much Dan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Aug 10 - 08:05 PM Hey, look at all the fancy watches being offered on Ebay. Louis Richard automatics, 21 jewel, multi-function- pick them up for a song! Chinese of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Aug 10 - 08:13 PM Louis Richard website. Very attractive!! www,louisrichardwatches.com/louisrichard/index.aspx Another name, a 35 jewel automatic- Vaan Konrad. About $100, or less. Also Chinese, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 08:15 PM a Lot better than battery huh ... wow .. nice to see automatics at that price |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: ragdall Date: 20 Aug 10 - 11:51 PM Dan, When I try to look at your wife's watch I get: Unable to connect Thanks, rags |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 20 Aug 10 - 11:59 PM try it now Rags http://www.oconnellsoftware.com/documents/1.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: katlaughing Date: 21 Aug 10 - 12:30 AM I got it fine the first time. Nice bracelet and watch! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 10 - 01:00 PM Got it with both links, but it takes a few seconds to come up. I have an old ladies Rolex, made before the company started making precision watches. Also a couple of old 'incabloc' wristwatches that refuse to quit. Probably late 1930s-1940s; picked up in junk lots in the 1950s. Also a couple of cheap French wind-ups picked up at the same time that also run well. Also 3-4 ladies wristwatches from the 1920s, jeweled but not made by the big names, also run well. I could 'also' some more which are stuck in a drawer somewhere. I belong to the packrat clan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Aug 10 - 03:56 PM We are kindred spirits Q ... hey I found a 992B in my local antique store. It is mint .. but he wants 500 bucks for it ... out of my price range .. Maybe if I could get him to go 300 I would figure out how to afford it .. but this one is worth every penny ... my gosh what fine condition ... too bad .. money gets in the way of everything LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 10 - 05:12 PM $500 for 992b is actually reasonable if it is in top shape. Would he put it on what the English call the never-never? It's a fine watch. I think I paid about $250 but that was years ago. It has the Canadian 24 hour dial, and is in a Canadian gold-filled case. Look at Ebay 300449639498 for $595. Sez it's mint. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Aug 10 - 05:30 PM this one Q was serviced and I tell you it is like brand new ... not a scratch on the case and just runs like a top ... gotta save my dimes for sure .. it is just beauty |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM Found a 992b, Canadian 24 hour dial on Ebay, the guy wants $899, but he gives a generic description, so hard to tell if he is skying or not. One never knows on Ebay, I like to see what I am buying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Aug 10 - 06:21 PM 4 sure especially that price |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 10 - 07:55 PM T, Eaton 1953 catalogue: Hamilton Railroad watch- 16 size, 21 jewels. Adjusted for temperature and six positions lever setting. ...10K gold-filled "Fortune case; white 24 hour railroad dial.......... Price delivered- $98.70. I presume that this is a 992b. They had serial numbers Beginning with C, C001-C529000, 1940-1969. The Waltham Vanguard 23j and the Elgin with Raymond 21 j at roughly the same price, both with 24 hour dials. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 21 Aug 10 - 08:03 PM I have an 1883 Waltham, boy it keeps great time. Who would figure after all of those years but it just nails the time right on the spot .. Amazing what they could do. What do we have today that could work for so many years huh ... My uncle carried a 992b in WWII ... he was a fighter pilot . Those guys were everything, their own navigator, gunner, bomber everything ... a quality watch was something they literally put their life on the line. That 992b military issue was something special for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: kendall Date: 22 Aug 10 - 07:54 AM A good time piece is critical for navigating in the fog. You must know to the second how much time has passed or you could sail right past that next buoy and end up on the rocks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Aug 10 - 04:00 PM I have an early Waltham wristwatch, size 0, 15 j, in a nickle silver case marked A. W. C. Co. Numerals are black. Inside the numerals is a continuous wreath in gold, each section with a raised gold bead (fruit). Outside the numerals are gold arcs with many small dots. The hands, including second, are gold, with fancy cutout design. Ser. 11604285, which dates it at 1902. A Waltham collector who looked at it sair the case was derived from a hunter, but I see no evidence of that. The watch runs well, but I am sure it needs cleaning. I got it from the Black estate for a couple of dollars. Black ran jewelry stores in Canada that later became Birks. The first wrist watches were made by Breguet, about 1820. The design re-appeared last year on one of the Swiss watches, but I forget the company. In the Matabele campaign, South Africa, the commander has wrist watches made for the officers. These seem to be the first made for men. I don't know if any were preserved, but there was a newspaper report about them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Aug 10 - 04:28 PM Waltham International, made in Switzerland, has self-winding wristwatches for men and women, also pocket watches. Some claim "Officially certified chronometer." The pocket watches are hand wound. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Aug 10 - 04:32 PM Last part of my post cut off- Waltham Haven't seen any. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 22 Aug 10 - 08:51 PM Q that waltham site is amazing thank you ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Aug 10 - 09:21 PM Anyone heard of a 'Ramona' wrist watch? 21j, 'incabloc', Swiss made, 'waterproof' steel case. Looking at google, there also seem to have been 25j versions. One adv. is for an Elgin Ramona, but no mention of Elgin on the dial or case of the one I have. Also, I don't think Elgin ever used the incabloc stabilizer. Probably a cheaper Swiss watch, but I would like to know more about it. Another mid-20 C. wristwatch- Wolbrook, 'shock resistant', 'water-resistant to 6atm', made in France. Sweep second, date window, luminiscent painted hands, 24 hour dial. ?1950-1970? May be a low-end product for a diver who can't afford a decent watch. Would like information of this one too. Google shows models with 17j, but I haven't had the back off mine. The name no longer registered. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 22 Aug 10 - 09:27 PM I saw one of those Ramona in the 70's but I don't know what age it was or who really made it .. the one I saw was an amazing watch however ... do you think it was one of the Japan made ones. They did make some incredible timepieces for sure |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Aug 10 - 09:51 PM The 'Ramona' is marked Swiss on the face. The Waltham 0-size wristwatch is silver, not nickel silver. Looking at Waltham write-ups, it probably is based on the hunter style, 0 size. The fancy dial and hands don't appear in the pictures I can find. I have a couple of 0-size hunters (my grandmother's), but the case shape is different. Of course mine could be in a replacement case of some kind. I will try and get the back off tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 22 Aug 10 - 10:19 PM Hey Q have you ever seen one of the Marathon watches the US Military uses they are something else, 17 jeweled. Very nice , however at 140 dollars or so I don't see much value for the buck. They are designed to keep good time at high altitude .. but not much good on the water emergence . Now the Navy Seals have something different entirely but.. I would mind having one the the marathon aviators but not at 140 bucks. Just don't think the value is there |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Aug 10 - 12:15 PM Have to look at what the military uses now. Not familiar with the new stuff. I have seen advs. for various watches claiming military use- some may not be valid. Another old wristwatch that still runs well. I cranked it up yesterday and she is still on the money: Hormilton (written in what looks like the old Hamilton script). Electra. Anti-magnetic. Electronically timed. Date window. Swiss. Inside each numeral is a dot of what looks like luminescent paint. Sweep second hand. On the back it says Stainless steel back, and Base Metal Bezel. A picture on the net shows the insides, "1 jewel, unadjusted, Basis watch, Swiss made." Dated as 1970s. In another blog, "Electra" and "electronically timed" appear on a fake Seiko (c. 1960s). The electronically timed seemingly means that they were assembled on the Ruhla machines, and is a valid statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 23 Aug 10 - 01:16 PM I cranked up my old 1924 Westclox Pocket Ben pocket watch. This one is mint, looks like it was never used. It has been keeping time like a champ. The later westclox were nothing to write home about but these early pocket bens were not expensive but were pretty darn good watches in their day. Ya have to find them prior to the 50's however. The later ones were just dollar junks for the most part. Unusual stem setting. Instead of pulling out, you pushed in to set the time |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 23 Aug 10 - 01:20 PM Q do you own a molnija pocket watch? They are former soviet union russian made .. those things really keep pretty darn good time .. they are all 17 or 18 Jeweled .. I am impressed .. I think I will send this one to a friend .. keeps such great time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Aug 10 - 02:12 PM Marathon watches: http://www.marathonwatch.com/categories/products/watches The automatics are expensive, starting bids at Ebay are $500-$1300 for those made for US-Canadian government use only. Seemingly they can be bought by service men in on-post stores. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 23 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM Yes if you ever want one I can get it on post ... have many friends in the service. they get quite a discount on them .. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Aug 10 - 02:49 PM A nice quartz wrist watch- Bulova, R. R. 9362 Q on 24 hour dial, date with magnifier on the plastic face. Orange sweep second hand. Stainless steel water-resistant case. Swiss made. Saw it new, on sale in a small town store, at $60.00. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Aug 10 - 02:11 PM It was suggested in a previous post that the stem be pulled out on quartz battery-run watches when the watch is not in use. This depends on the construction of the watch. Two that my wife has- A Raymond Weill stops, but a Movado keeps running, as the power from the battery is not cut. A Bulova Railroad model of mine stops. Batteries should not be left in unattended watches since they may leak when long out-of-date. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 24 Aug 10 - 03:01 PM You are right for sure. Why I hate battery watches .. yup they serve a purpose however and there is no question of their accuracy. I am not going out fly fishing with an antique pocket watch that I cannot replace .. but I will with my columbia battery sports watch .. but all in all ... hate battery watches . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Aug 10 - 03:26 PM Saw a 992b on Ebay with a low starting bid, "good runner, recently serviced," so I bid $100. It sold for $212. Probably OK, one should always add the cost of service by a good technician. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 24 Aug 10 - 03:58 PM I been watching Q .. I have tried to snipe a couple of really nice ones and got pretty close ... I am hoping to get one around the 300 dollar mark cause like you said you have to figured some repairs or cleaning into the equation. My other approach is to see if I can get the guy in town here down on his .. that one is a beauty but he is stuck on the 500 mark .. probably a good deal actually but need to save a few bucks first |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: olddude Date: 25 Aug 10 - 09:18 AM Hey Q check this out ... amazing Tiffany |
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Subject: RE: BS: Old Wrist Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 25 Aug 10 - 01:59 PM Another Agassiz, in hunter gold case, also on Ebay. Agassiz made watches for some other top lever jewelry companies. No detailed list of serial numbers is available. From the sublime to the ridiculous, to use the old cliche. Going through a drawer of non-working watches, spare straps, etc., I found an old mechanical Timex. The dial is labeled made in Taiwan. I opened the back, and the movement is marked Made in Great Britain. Inside of the case back is Made in France. The company must have taken bids on parts from one and all. |
