BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:31 PM

I think I've got the right Olbermann report here.

Those who'd like to look carefully at what was said, and perhaps even to make citation to this item, may want to note that there is a transcript (text) available:

Olbermann: Bush, Cheney should resign

The transcript omits an introductory reference to the commutation of Libby's sentence, but otherwise appears to have "the meat of the matter" accurately.

The "original?" MSNBC video is also accessible at the above web page.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:33 PM

I'm tellin' ya, guys, don't rise to his bait!

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:36 PM

(JimLad's bait, that is)

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:49 PM

Sadly Carol, I think that Mr Olbermann's speech has been forgotten all too quickly and not just on this thread. Still, you're right let's give it another go. In the meantime however, you will note that Sharron is still yapping at my heels, never having read the threads nor contributing to them. I'll have a tough time accepting anything anyone has to say as long as you all keep condoning that kind of behavior.

I asked previously if Mr. Olbermann is known for ranting or if this is a measured response by him to a situation that will actually bear some fruit. Anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:49 PM

The entire text of Olbermann's piece is posted in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:12 PM

Yes, I see it all clearly now, Jim. I have deleted you from my myspace friends. There's a certain level of despicableness that I just don't have time for in my life. I'm finished communicating with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:33 PM

Then I'll go out where I came in.

I am sick and tired of hearing Americans say. "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him".
I just don't believe you any more.

Now you can all get back to the healthy sport of bombing helpless nations for their oil and blaming Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:58 PM

Just for the record, I've never met JimLad so, unless he's invaded the computer I'm using, he has no way of knowing what I have read and what I have not.

Note that he has used a metaphor to compare me to a dog after (a) telling Ebbie that she had "stooped lower than anyone" by comparing him to a dog; and (b) claiming that he's not "ever... reducing the dialogue to personal attacks." Yet another example of his M.O.

Jim, I look forward to reading more of your comments about music, French toast, etc. But the Mudcat political discussions seem to bring out your dark side. If you're really leaving the political threads for good -- which I doubt -- then don't let that particular door hit you in the Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 06:16 PM

Well, I tried, but the task was too great. I give Jim's last post all the attention that it merits:

[Sound of toilet flushing]

You're on your own, Jim.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 10:50 PM

"I am sick and tired of hearing Americans say. "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him".
I just don't believe you any more."

I'm American.

I didn't

Do you believe me?

Subject: RE: BS: Trolling behavior -- don't encourage it!
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:49 PM

TIA, don't encourage JimLad! He's exhibiting behavior here and in the Scooter Libby thread that is known in Forum-speak as "trolling" behavior... which he hasn't exhibited in non-political discussion threads, so I hesitate to label him as a troll.

But troll or not, he is not interested as much in debating the topic of said political thread discussion as in baiting people (tempting them to react to his statements emotionally rather than rationally). When he gets an emotional reaction, he feels rewarded. When he gets a rational reaction -- any attempt to treat his statements in a reasonable manner -- his reaction is to post a more irrational, unreasonable statement in order to increase others' frustration level so that they will finally react emotionally (at which point he again feels rewarded).

As much as he may claim to desire to discuss the topic, he doesn't spend nearly as much time and energy on the topic as he does on the other discussers. He doesn't defend his position on the topic; he offends in an attempt to jockey for position emotionally over others (or, at least, he feels that he achieves a superior position when others become angry or leave the discussion in frustration, though in truth he ends up at the bottom because he has debased himself).

The best way to treat such trolling behavior is to ignore it, just as you would ignore tantrum behavior in a small child. The troll (or, in this case, part-time troll-wanna-be) will react similarly, raising his stakes in an attempt to induce others to cave in and reward his misbehavior, so one must remain strong in the face of this and refuse to pay attention to it. Eventually the troll himself will become so frustrated at the calmness and coolness around him that he will make some parting shot, and he will leave the discussion himself (as we have just seen). Don't be fooled, though; he's lurking, waiting for someone new to flare up at what he's said so he can come back to fan the flames.

So, again, please don't encourage him.

TIA, I'm guessing you've come here to discuss Keith Olbermann's speech, as I and others had done. We can have that discussion, as long as we can be strong enough to resist reacting to JimLad's outrageousness and letting the thread become his sideshow again. Okay?

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:54 PM

Ebbie,

Where is Wayne Morse now that we need him again? The ONLY senator to vote against the Gulf Of Tonkin resolution! That was the Oregon I was magnetized to.

I surely did love Oregon. The coast is where we settled---Depoe Bay in 1967. I started the Folk Art Shop on highway 101. There was no folk scene of any kind anywhere that was discernible in Oregon. Chicago seemed better as a place from which to secure gigs, so we headed back home to Chi-town.----- And that has made all the difference. (Blatant Thread Creep)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 12:21 AM

Another step in this thread creep dance: Art, I lived at the Coast in 1967! From 1964 through 1968 the first time (I went back in the '80s). I lived first in Gleneden Beach then in the Cutler City area and then Taft. (For others' info, the latter two are part of Lincoln City)

I like the Oregon Coast a lot and that is where I'd wish to move if I returned to Oregon. Which isn't likely. I like Juneau even better.

I agree about Wayne Morse. Morse and Justice William O. Douglas were two of my heroes. As was Governor Tom McCall.

So many heroes. So much time and and so much water under the bridge.

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: van lingle
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 04:48 PM

Excellent post on 7/11/07 at 11;49 P.M. Sharon. It would be nice to see it depersonalized and preserved as a quick link.

Subject: RE: BS: Olbermann to Bush/Cheney
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 07:31 PM

Sharon--


"...don't let that particular door hit you in the Cheney." That's just classic--you've coined a catchphrase. Wonderful!